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[Drone223]

Eh anything that homogenizes all the endings to effectively a single universe again will diminish Shepard even more.

And I don't see them needing to explain the relays' origins again unless they want to tell that story again. And there's a lot more stories than that to tell..

They aren't going to ignore Shepard either its safe to say Shepard will at least get one or to mentions.

The relay's didn't build themselves and someone clearly built them so Bioware would have to explain their existence and what happened to their creator's, it would require bioware to write a new origin and Bioware intends for the relay's to stay reaper in origin.

[Iakus]

 
The relay's didn't build themselves and someone clearly built them so Bioware would have to explain their existence and what happened to their creator's, it would require bioware to write a new origin and Bioware intends for the relay's to stay reaper in origin.

Why?  How would it be relevant to a story about, say, exploring backwater worlds in the Terminus?  Or bounty hunting?  Or first contact with a new race?  Or any of a hundred stories MENext could be about?

[Drone223]

Why?  How would it be relevant to a story about, say, exploring backwater worlds in the Terminus?  Or bounty hunting?  Or first contact with a new race?  Or any of a hundred stories MENext could be about?

All space fearing species depend on the mass relay's for traveling between star systems and the relay's didn't built themselves and the ones who built them didn't vanish into thin air for no reason. It be in the intrest of the galaxy to know who built them in the first place and what happen to the ones who built them since for they know they could've been responsible for some cataclysm that was responsible for their creators demise so it's best to know that their safe.

[Iakus]

Again, so what? The asari, salaries e, and Volus we t for two millennia without knowing the origins a of the relays. Other races also went for centuries or more without knowing. It's not important unless the story being told makes it important.

A road trip movie doesn't require uncovering g the life of Henry Ford

[Drone223]

Again, so what? The asari, salaries e, and Volus we t for two millennia without knowing the origins a of the relays. Other races also went for centuries or more without knowing. It's not important unless the story being told makes it important.

All technology is based around the mass relay's so yes they do need to know were it came form because it's the most significant piece of technology in existence. If Bioware doesn't bother explaining were they came from and who built them then they shouldn't bother including them at all and just start a new franchise instead.

[Iakus]

Again the galaxy did fine for thousands of years without knowing. A little mystique wouldn'the kill the franchise

Heck trying get to give the Reapers an understandable motive just made them a joke. The franchise could use a little more "beyond our underdtanding" to help cover up the space magic, if nothing else

[Drone223]

Again the galaxy did fine for thousands of years without knowing. A little mystique wouldn'the kill the franchise.

The prothans and the many species that were depedent on the relay's and were wiped out by the reaper's beg to differ. They didn't know it was part of a trap and as a result were wiped out so it's important to know we're they came from and what happened to their builders so they know that using them won't result in them sharing a similar fate and the fact they are conveniently placed all over the galaxy just waiting to be used would probably raise a few eyebrows.

Not explaining the origins of relay isn't adding a mystrey it's just lazy writing, either explain who build them and what happened to them or have no relay's at all and instead used another form of FTL.

[The Arbiter]

Mass effect needs a clean slate. Sorry, but its true, OP. Truth hurts sometimes.

And why do you think they are abandoning the name Mass Effect? They aren't.

Ten bucks says it turns out to be Mass Effect: Contact after all and the original leak was legit.

EA just shut downed Maxis the devs of my childhood game the Sims. First westwood now this? Crap Bioware and DICE also recently got a lot of flak ... now I think Bioware is in damage control that's why reboot :/ 

[katamuro]

Well while the ME keep might not happen I think it would be a perfect way to integrate both a new start and player choices. Especially if they are doing anything sequelish. On the other hand a reboot, it does not matter if its total or just a partial one would wipe the slate clean. I am worried however that in their willingness to leave ME3 behind they might go too far. 

And EA wont kill bioware, its far too profitable now with Dragon Age games and yes ME games. They might kill off projects that dont seem to bring the profit margin like that coop game but everyone knows that with all their flaws Bioware rpg's are one of the best on the market.

[dreamgazer]

Again the galaxy did fine for thousands of years without knowing. A little mystique wouldn'the kill the franchise

Heck trying get to give the Reapers an understandable motive just made them a joke. The franchise could use a little more "beyond our underdtanding" to help cover up the space magic, if nothing else

 

Treating known facts as nonexistent, including but not limited to the Reapers being the architects of the mass relay system, would make a rebooted version of the universe look like a joke.  Anybody who's played a Mass Effect game knows better.  It'd be a laughable farce, far more so than the process of marginalizing ending choices and moving forward. 

[Iakus]

Treating known facts as nonexistent, including but not limited to the Reapers being the architects of the mass relay system, would make a rebooted version of the universe look like a joke.  Anybody who's played a Mass Effect game knows better.  It'd be a laughable farce, far more so than the process of marginalizing ending choices and moving forward. 

All I'm saying is the origins of the relays is not important unless the story makes it important.

 

How important was the Grey Wardens' origins and purpose in DA2, after all? 

[Booth]

Well alot of news are coming out. 

 

Huh... what? Where... when... what kind? All I got to know in the last MONTHS is that there will be a mako again, that NextME will be "huuuuuuuuge", that the developers have SOOOOOO much fun with new parts in game (which they dont talk about at all) and ... of course before I forget it... that it will be AWWWWWWEEEEESOME - uh - and I forgot... there will be a multiplayer again. How surprising.

 

Sorry - but where can I find those "alot of news" you are talking about?

 

All I see is high emotional fantasy-discussions in this or any other forum because we almost dont know anything about NextME.

 

Uh - yeah - sorry - I forgot the latest piece of blah from the best information platform mankind ever invented: Twitter. The unbelievable text length of 140 letters that lead to precise and clear statements... NOT. The one new sentence about "canon" and "me3" can be interpreted in almost any direction.

[katamuro]

I dont like the fact that so many devs and company press officials are using twitter, I am not on twitter and dont plan to use it. Also where earlier they would either stay silent or at least put some work into the statement they say with twitter they just blab whatever and hope that it doesn't cause misunderstandings. 140 characters is not enough to properly convey an idea especially if it involves more than just stating a fact.

[Drone223]

All I'm saying is the origins of the relays is not important unless the story makes it important.

Except the origins of the relay's are important as all the technology in the known galaxy is based around them and they are conveniently placed all over the galaxy. The ones who built them didn't vanish into thing air for no reason, something obviously happen to them and knowing what happened to them would help in knowingbthatvthevrelay's aren't part of a trap or something.

[N7_Battle Lord]

Gathering all previous comments, I can say for sure that ME is a very interesting universe... Maybe, even more than Star Wars is. In this line of thought. I truly believe that EA will follow the same path of Lucas Arts. It will explore the ME universe in so many ways we can not imagine.

 

You all may recall all game titles (Jedy Knight, Jedy Academy, The Force Unleashed, Republic Commandos, X-Wing Fighters, etc) and all that merchandising from Star Wars movies. EA is already doing the same...books, comic books, toys, weapons replics, N7 lether jackets, animated series, IOS/Android games and a live action movie in the works...

 

That is why I think ME4 is just the beginning...

[katamuro]

The difference is the Star Wars universe started out with those 3 movies that millions of people went crazy over. They were loved by a huge audience. Mass Effect games while are popular do not gather a comparable amount of people. 

[N7_Battle Lord]

The difference is the Star Wars universe started out with those 3 movies that millions of people went crazy over. They were loved by a huge audience. Mass Effect games while are popular do not gather a comparable amount of people. 

 

Katamuro, you are right. 

 

I did not mean that ME has more fans. Mainly because ME is in childhood years yet whereas SW is the grandfather of sci fi.

And I am a SW fan too. My point I was trying to make was the ME universe in richer and much more interesting than SW one, in my sincere opinion. I stated that only to compare that both companies are walking on the same path of expanding their universe with many titles in different midias over the time. That is an awesome insight, at least for me.

 

As I said before, ''That is why I think ME4 is just the beginning..."

[themikefest]

I don't believe its a reboot, though anything is possible, but if it is, is it EA that wants a reboot or Bioware that wants a reboot?

[Linkenski]

I think, like Bioware hinted "this is the end of Shepard's journey" which as I suspected meant "Shepard will sacrifice himself at the end", now they're saying "Don't call it Mass Effect 4. This is much bigger and really the next level of Mass Effect" which, as paradoxial as it sounds seems to me like a strong indicator that it's a reboot.

[The Arbiter]

I think, like Bioware hinted "this is the end of Shepard's journey" which as I suspected meant "Shepard will sacrifice himself at the end", now they're saying "Don't call it Mass Effect 4. This is much bigger and really the next level of Mass Effect" which, as paradoxial as it sounds seems to me like a strong indicator that it's a reboot.

yep. People also claimed I am using the term "reboot" wrong. They seem correct the right term according to them is a "RESTART" I would change the title if I could

[The Arbiter]

I don't believe its a reboot, though anything is possible, but if it is, is it EA that wants a reboot or Bioware that wants a reboot?

Maybe both. Majority of ME fans told me that Bioware messed up alot in the ending and cornered themselves... no way to move forward into another connected game so they restart the franchise. Some fans where not really amused by this move since well, they invested countless hours falling in-love with different characters, tweaking the game story, etc. However, some fans also told me it is a "breath of fresh air", wise fans told me that it could "make or break" Bioware entirely.

 

Anyway, I am looking forward to other games with epic story-lines aside from Mass Effect, the Batman series really made me satisfied with it fell in love with DC comics very dark.

[dreamgazer]

I think, like Bioware hinted "this is the end of Shepard's journey" which as I suspected meant "Shepard will sacrifice himself at the end", now they're saying "Don't call it Mass Effect 4. This is much bigger and really the next level of Mass Effect" which, as paradoxial as it sounds seems to me like a strong indicator that it's a reboot.

Guess it depends on your definition of a reboot. Could just as easily mean they've jumped ahead so far into a common future that canon variables no longer matter, making it the next story in the chronology without it being a sequel.

Speaker for the Dead is a "sequel" to Ender's Game, for example, but things have changed so drastically from the end of that book to the central point of the next story's events that calling it a direct sequel wouldn't be accurate. Hence, why Ender in Exile exists.

[The Arbiter]

Guess it depends on your definition of a reboot. Could just as easily mean they've jumped ahead so far into a common future that canon variables no longer matter, making it the next story in the chronology without it being a sequel.

Speaker for the Dead is a "sequel" to Ender's Game, for example, but things have changed so drastically from the end of that book to the central point of the next story's events that calling it a direct sequel wouldn't be accurate. Hence, why Ender in Exile exists.

I fail to see the logic behind this with respect to you of course. If they move sooooo far away from the story of ME3 with no cannon ending whatsoever... wouldn't that be already called as a restart since there is no impact at all from 3? no glowing green eyes, no geth or quarians or whatever the hell happened? Even save game imports are no longer needed. I have no idea what Bioware is planning to do it just complicates more. I believe this is indeed a reboot/restart

[dreamgazer]

If they move sooooo far away from the story of ME3 with no cannon ending whatsoever... wouldn't that be already called as a restart since there is no impact at all from 3?

Kinda, sorta, but not really. This universe would have an established history with cherry-picked canon elements out of the way, as all roads lead to Rome. A truly rebooted universe, if we're using the Star Trek/Batman Begins/Amazing Spider-Man connotation of the word, would have to retread over those paths.

[Iakus]

Guess it depends on your definition of a reboot. Could just as easily mean they've jumped ahead so far into a common future that canon variables no longer matter, making it the next story in the chronology without it being a sequel.

Speaker for the Dead is a "sequel" to Ender's Game, for example, but things have changed so drastically from the end of that book to the central point of the next story's events that calling it a direct sequel wouldn't be accurate. Hence, why Ender in Exile exists.

Well, except that Speaker for the Dead also had Ender as the main protagonist and the events on Lusitania were his way of atoning for what he saw as his failure in Ender's Game.

 

In fact, the very title "Speaker for the Dead" was the pen name he used at the end of Ender's Game when he revealed the truth about the Formics.