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[vertigomez]

I thought the game did give you the option as a dude to convince Alistair/Loghain to do the DR?

[Heimdall]

I thought the game did give you the option as a dude to convince Alistair/Loghain to do the DR?

Not in my experience, it was always presented as "do it or don't" and that's it.

[Ryzaki]

Not in my experience, it was always presented as "do it or don't" and that's it.

 

???

 

You're always given the choice to have Alistair or Logahin do it. All you have to do is refuse her first and she'll bring it up. I did it with my Morriganmancer.

[Icy Magebane]

Cassandra does respond to the Inquisitor's flirting, just not in any large way. She'll smile a little more or her crinkle her eyes a bit. Cassandra's not used to that kind of attention and she's not sure what to make of it. So, no, she's not going to acknowledge it right off that bat, but it's not that she doesn't notice.

 

Perhaps as player, you're looking for that kind of acknowledgement - but that doesn't mean the romance is bad. It just means you're not connecting with that particular romance or that particular character. Looking for a poetry book might be feel all that exciting, but it's important to Cassandra. That quest takes on more weight for a PC who understands her.

 

Honestly, I think how a romance comes across has a lot to do with player preference. If you weren't particularly attracted to the Cassandra or Josie romances, that just means they didn't appeal to you, not that they lacked substance. They just lacked whatever you specifically were looking for. 

Personal tastes aside, the overall point is that when compared to some of the other romances, the Cassandra romance (and Josephine's, according to the OP, but I've not experience that one) is lackluster in execution.  There is little to no tension in the subplot, no conflict, and very little change.  What you perceive as a major shift in her interest level and emotional state did not come across as anything of significance because these changes were uninspired and predictable.  Essentially, the Inquisitor flirted with her, she eventually decided to go on a date with him, they went on a date, and that was it.  I hardly think that my personal preferences are clouding my view here.  There's just nothing particularly exciting or interesting about it...  Compare these events to those of the Solas or Cullen romance and it's hard to deny that there is a stark contrast.  Even if one dislikes conflict in a romance plot, at least something happened in those relationships.

[XEternalXDreamsX]

Urrgh, that's a load of BS, and a poor excuse most male players use to bed morrigan. I have heard the argument in real life, and it just makes me shudder. I mean poor leliana/zevran.. Ithinktheyshouldhavedumpedthewardeniftheybeddedmorrigan

I was thinking the same thing, add little spice to the drama at least.. Considering the other warden could do it instead since the HoF could take a pass.

[XEternalXDreamsX]

I thought the game did give you the option as a dude to convince Alistair/Loghain to do the DR?

It gives you the option but it is very appealing to have the OGB so you get first dibbs if you want it. You have to convince the other warden to do so.

Just to add on topic, Cass has a pretty normal relationship considering who she is and what the couple is going thru. I was satisfied but I can see people's perspective on not romancing someone who is intertwined in major plotlines.

[(Disgusted noise.)]

Well, the alternative is letting a friend die in your place (If you always execute Loghain like I do), it's not like the game gives the Warden the option to have Alistair do the bedding if they're male.  If Leliana/Zevran can't understand that its the only way without letting a friend die, maybe the Warden should dump them.

 

I agree, if you execute Loghain, I'm pretty sure both Leliana and Zevran would fine the Warden sleeping with Morrigan once if it meant that their lover and a friend of theirs didn't have to die. That's a pretty good bargin, as Leliana would say. Besides, convincing Alistair to do it is super creepy and I would never take that option if I didn't have to. (And is why I feel bad for all female Wardens.)

 

Personal tastes aside, the overall point is that when compared to some of the other romances, the Cassandra romance (and Josephine's, according to the OP, but I've not experience that one) is lackluster in execution.  There is little to no tension in the subplot, no conflict, and very little change.  What you perceive as a major shift in her interest level and emotional state did not come across as anything of significance because these changes were uninspired and predictable.  Essentially, the Inquisitor flirted with her, she eventually decided to go on a date with him, they went on a date, and that was it.  I hardly think that my personal preferences are clouding my view here.  There's just nothing particularly exciting or interesting about it...  Compare these events to those of the Solas or Cullen romance and it's hard to deny that there is a stark contrast.  Even if one dislikes conflict in a romance plot, at least something happened in those relationships.

 

Let's all state our personal opinions as facts. That's always a fun thing to do. People have told you where the conflict is. If it's not the sort of conflict you're wanting, that's fine, but stop claiming it doesn't exist.

[Heidirs]

Personal tastes aside, the overall point is that when compared to some of the other romances, the Cassandra romance (and Josephine's, according to the OP, but I've not experience that one) is lackluster in execution.  There is little to no tension in the subplot, no conflict, and very little change.  What you perceive as a major shift in her interest level and emotional state did not come across as anything of significance because these changes were uninspired and predictable.  Essentially, the Inquisitor flirted with her, she eventually decided to go on a date with him, they went on a date, and that was it.  I hardly think that my personal preferences are clouding my view here.  There's just nothing particularly exciting or interesting about it...  Compare these events to those of the Solas or Cullen romance and it's hard to deny that there is a stark contrast.  Even if one dislikes conflict in a romance plot, at least something happened in those relationships.

 

I don't see what's particularly wrong about a normal every-day romance. Some people might find that particularly refreshing and prefer Cassandra's romance because it's more "realistic" in that sense.

 

And I would argue that change does happen in that Cassandra softens and learns to accept her more romantic or feminine side - something that she doesn't normally show. The PC character breaks through her shell. For some, that's more than change enough.

 

Just because someone is looking for more drama doesn't make it a poor romance story. It all comes down to personal preference. 

[ThreeF]

 Besides, convincing Alistair to do it is super creepy and I would never take that option if I didn't have to. (And is why I feel bad for all female Wardens.)

It is creepy, wouldn't say it is creepy because 'cheating', I'm not even sure how it is suppose to be 'cheating'.

[Uccio]

I don't see what's particularly wrong about a normal every-day romance. Some people might find that particularly refreshing and prefer Cassandra's romance because it's more "realistic" in that sense.

And I would argue that change does happen in that Cassandra softens and learns to accept her more romantic or feminine side - something that she doesn't normally show. The PC character breaks through her shell. For some, that's more than change enough.

Just because someone is looking for more drama doesn't make it a poor romance story. It all comes down to personal preference.

You are right about some. I never saw any change in her, and yes I would love to make her more human rather than that automat she is (IMO). Disgusted noise seemed to be the only emotion to get out of her.

[Heidirs]

You are right about some. I never saw any change in her, and yes I would love to make her more human rather than that automat she is (IMO). Disgusted noise seemed to be the only emotion to get out of her.

 

Like I said, different people connect to different characters. She didn't work for you.

 

Although, if all you're getting from her is "disgusted noise" you might not have her approval high enough to get some of her nicer responses.

[ThreeF]

The PC character breaks through her shell. For some, that's more than change enough.

I'm not even sure if change is necessary for me, I'm more interested in seeing a more private side of the character, that side which is normally guarded.

[(Disgusted noise.)]

It is creepy, wouldn't say it is creepy because 'cheating', I'm not even sure how it is suppose to be 'cheating'.

Cheating wasn't why I thought it was creepy.

[ThreeF]

Cheating wasn't why I thought it was creepy.

yeah, i didn't think you were, I just picked your post to expand on my thoughts.

[Heimdall]

???

You're always given the choice to have Alistair or Logahin do it. All you have to do is refuse her first and she'll bring it up. I did it with my Morriganmancer.

Are you certain? Because I've never gotten that option.

[Tarlonniel]

That is (supposed to be) an option, Ryzaki is right.

[daveliam]

I have always had Alistair or Loghain do the ritual when I play as a male warden. It's definitely an option. 100% sure because I've never once fathered the OGB and none of my male Wardens did the sacrifice either. It works for Alistair, in my opinion, because I've always thought that the two them had sexual tension anyway.

[Heimdall]

Well... The more you know.

Warden: Okay, I know I just convinced you to marry Anora yesterday, but now I need you to impregnate Morrigan.

Alistair: What!? Why do you keep pimping me out to these scary women?

Warden: For the good of the realm, Alistair, for the good of the realm.

[daveliam]

Oops. Double post.

[congokong]

Personal tastes aside, the overall point is that when compared to some of the other romances, the Cassandra romance (and Josephine's, according to the OP, but I've not experience that one) is lackluster in execution.  There is little to no tension in the subplot, no conflict, and very little change.  What you perceive as a major shift in her interest level and emotional state did not come across as anything of significance because these changes were uninspired and predictable.  Essentially, the Inquisitor flirted with her, she eventually decided to go on a date with him, they went on a date, and that was it.  I hardly think that my personal preferences are clouding my view here.  There's just nothing particularly exciting or interesting about it...  Compare these events to those of the Solas or Cullen romance and it's hard to deny that there is a stark contrast.  Even if one dislikes conflict in a romance plot, at least something happened in those relationships.

From what I've seen I have to agree that some of the romances are weaker.

 

Weak: Cassandra, Josephine, Iron Bull

 

Strong: Solas, Cullen, Sera, Dorian

 

I haven't seen the Blackwall one so I cannot comment.

 

Why do I categorize them this way? Because the weak romances are cliche, lack content, and/or lack/do not tap on interesting dynamics that would make the romance better. Ex: Cassandra and Iron Bull don't explore the potential mage/Tal-Vashok/"What happens to us after this is over?" dynamics near as much as they could if at all. Cullen for example gives a unique aspect for a mage Inquisitor. I made a thread criticizing the Iron Bull romance lacking this among other things.

 

http://forum.bioware...omance-popular/

 

Some people want a romance that lacks any sort of baggage. Fine. But the romance isn't very interesting in that case. Some have that baggage regardless but it's just ignored (Iron Bull). There's also the issue of content. The Solas romance suffered from this, but had such great quality-over-quantity that it's often overlooked. Cassandra's for example is not in the same boat.

[ThreeF]

On one hand Bull's romance suffers from being textbook bdsm (textbook as in mainstream fiction book) on the other hand perhaps it was a wise choice to make it so. There are interesting parts about Bull's romance in the relation to his upbringing and his views of himself and others, which could have been expanded.

 

 

 

Some people want a romance that lacks any sort of baggage. Fine. But the romance isn't very interesting in that case.

Playing always the psychologist in the relationship becomes repetitive. I liked how Cullen actually said "enough about me, how are you?" I'm not sure if it's romance relate, probably not, but still it was a very welcomed change. There can be drama, it doesn't need to be one-sided or broody, though.

[congokong]

On one hand Bull's romance suffers from being textbook bdsm (textbook as in mainstream fiction book) on the other hand perhaps it was a wise choice to make it so. There are interesting parts about Bull's romance in the relation to his upbringing and his views of himself and others, which could have been expanded.

 

 

Playing always the psychologist in the relationship becomes repetitive. I liked how Cullen actually said "enough about me, how are you?" I'm not sure if it's romance relate, probably not, but still it was a very welcomed change. There can be drama, it doesn't need to be one-sided or broody, though.

What, you don't like Bioware catering to the Fifty Shades of Grey fans? lol

 I'm more critical of the Iron Bull romance than Cassandra/Josephine's, not because it lacks drama/dynamics, but because they're there but unaddressed. As a female qunari on my first playthrough he seemed a logical choice; especially since I saw the potential there. When nothing came of it I was very disappointed.

 

And don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting the Inquisitor should always play therapist. There just should be some sort of dynamic to make the romance intriguing. Playing therapist can be interesting in moderation.

 

And no, Cullen asking about the Inquisitor is not romance-exclusive.

[Heidirs]

What, you don't like Bioware catering to the Fifty Shades of Grey fans? lol

 I'm more critical of the Iron Bull romance than Cassandra/Josephine's, not because it lacks drama/dynamics, but because they're there but unaddressed. As a female qunari on my first playthrough he seemed a logical choice; especially since I saw the potential there. When nothing came of it I was very disappointed.

 

And don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting the Inquisitor should always play therapist. There just should be some sort of dynamic to make the romance intriguing. Playing therapist can be interesting in moderation.

 

And no, Cullen asking about the Inquisitor is not romance-exclusive.

 

What about Bull's personal quest where you have to decide if he's Qun or Tal'Vosoth. No, it's not romance-exclusive, but I don't see that as a reason to discount it. Romancing him can just make the stakes higher.

 

Same with Cullen asking about the Inquisitor. It's not romance-exclusive, but it can lead into a romance and thus become part of it.

[Br3admax]

How does one try to argue their subjective opinion is superior to someone else's? Seems kind of pointless to me. I for one found the Cullen romance boring, the Blackwall one hilarious, the Solas one is overrated, and Iron Bull's a joke. 

[I present Chuck Bass]

Bioware saves all the good romances and content  for lesbian inquisitors....

 

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