How does one try to argue their subjective opinion is superior to someone else's? Seems kind of pointless to me. I for one found the Cullen romance boring, the Blackwall one hilarious, the Solas one is overrated, and Iron Bull's a joke.
you're right, Josie romance hands down the best.
What, you don't like Bioware catering to the Fifty Shades of Grey fans? lol
Most fiction about bdsm is similar to Fifty Shades of Grey.
What about Bull's personal quest where you have to decide if he's Qun or Tal'Vosoth. No, it's not romance-exclusive, but I don't see that as a reason to discount it. Romancing him can just make the stakes higher.
Same with Cullen asking about the Inquisitor. It's not romance-exclusive, but it can lead into a romance and thus become part of it.
That quest could have been so much more, I think.
I'm more or less fine with Cullen romance and the way it flows, it is actually pretty nice how non-romance and romance lines mix up together and create different meaning depending on the situation. Can't say it is 100% what I would personally like to see in romance, but there are things there that imo work well.
I think straight females got the best options by far because they have the greatest character choice and a very touching story relevant romance with a character who is highly intelligent and outstanding. They have two humans, one elf and one qunari. they have a funny romance with iron bull, a sweet romance with cullen, a dramatic romance with black wall und a story relevant character who can be romanced (solas). I would gladly trade Dorian and Iron Bull to get Solas as a romance option... Story relevant and dramatic romances are the one I most like.
I agree, if you execute Loghain, I'm pretty sure both Leliana and Zevran would fine the Warden sleeping with Morrigan once if it meant that their lover and a friend of theirs didn't have to die. That's a pretty good bargin, as Leliana would say. Besides, convincing Alistair to do it is super creepy and I would never take that option if I didn't have to. (And is why I feel bad for all female Wardens.)
I think straight females got the best options by far because they have the greatest character choice and a very touching story relevant romance with a character who is highly intelligent and outstanding. They have two humans, one elf and one qunari. they have a funny romance with iron bull, a sweet romance with cullen, a dramatic romance with black wall und a story relevant character who can be romanced (solas). I would gladly trade Dorian and Iron Bull to get Solas as a romance option... Story relevant and dramatic romances are the one I most like.
Well, regarding options a female elf is the best because they can romance 6 of the 8 potential characters. Aren't elves kind of like asari in that everyone finds them attractive? I remember Zevran said this in DA:O.
Meh, at least my bae only leaves me if I make her divine. Solas...
Anyway, I don't care, I adore Cassandra and I think her romance is every bit as good as Solas'. And the ladies needed some quality after the last game. Then there's all the tragicness besides Cullen.
Don't know about you, but the divine thing, that's a big choice, dude. I think having to choose to support her or not for whatever reasons, and having that decision affect your romance is big and has lots of meat. Especially on her thighs, lolol. Don't know what you're talking about bro. That's still tearing at me really, meanwhile as good as the Solas arc is, you get no choice in what happens with him, he just leaves. For now.
I swear you are always first to these type of threads. Always.
Lol what type of threads are those?I swear you are always first to these type of threads. Always.
I see BSN has stayed classy in my absence
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Are you certain? Because I've never gotten that option.
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Let's all state our personal opinions as facts. That's always a fun thing to do. People have told you where the conflict is. If it's not the sort of conflict you're wanting, that's fine, but stop claiming it doesn't exist.
I don't think that saying that there is little tension in the relationship between the Inquisitor and Cassandra is based solely on my opinion... especially since I have constantly been adding that this is the case when compared to several of the other romances. There is noticeably less tension and less conflict than can be found in the Cullen, Blackwall, and Solas romances. This isn't an opinion... Unless you are letting your imagination cloud your observations, then this is about as close to a fact as we can get in this type of discussion. I get that you like the plot, but denying its flaws and allowing your personal interpretation to skew your perception of what actually happened isn't the best way to defend it.
I mean, Cassandra gets over her shyness and uncertainty without any special interaction on the part of the player or even the influence of an external source or event... it happens automatically so long as you continue along with the subplot... so how is this in any way interesting, dramatic, engaging, or noteworthy? It's just a very banal romance plot that you can get from more than half the movies at your local video store... heck, you can often find stories that exceed this level of depth in the average sitcom.
I don't think that saying that there is little tension in the relationship between the Inquisitor and Cassandra is based solely on my opinion... especially since I have constantly been adding that this is the case when compared to several of the other romances. There is noticeably less tension and less conflict, than can be found in the Cullen, Blackwall, and Solas romances. This isn't an opinion... Unless you are letting your imagination cloud your observations, then this is about as close to a fact as we can get in this type of discussion. I get that you like the plot, but denying its flaws and allowing your personal interpretation to skew your perception of what actually happened isn't the best way to defend it.
I mean, Cassandra gets over her shyness and uncertainty without any special interaction on the part of the player... it happens automatically so long as you continue along with the subplot... so how is this in any way interesting, dramatic, engaging, or noteworthy? It's just a very banal romance plot that you can get from more than half the movies at your local video store... heck, you can often find stories that exceed this level of depth in the average sitcom.
I don't think you know what facts are.
Gravity equals mass times accelerations is a fact.
I find this romance arc more compelling that this other romance arc is an opinion.
And I'd like to remind you that you weren't just comparing, you literally said there is "no tension" and "no conflict." That's objectively untrue.
I don't think you know what facts are.
Gravity equals mass times accelerations is a fact.
I find this romance arc more compelling that this other romance arc is an opinion.
And I'd like to remind you that you weren't just comparing, you literally said there is "no tension" and "no conflict." That's objectively untrue.
Actually, "I find this romance arc more compelling that this other romance arc," is a fact unless the person saying it is lying.
In any event, I think I've made my point clear... there is less player involvement and depth in the Cassandra romance than in those of Cullen, Blackwall, and Solas, which renders the plot unengaging and predictable. Things progress along a certain path with no deviation unless the player decides to end the relationship... If you don't see how this is true, even after objectively comparing the four subplots, then I don't know what more I can say to you about it...
Now, if you simply enjoy boring stories, then I suppose that's all well and good, but do not pretend as though there's more to this plot than there really is.
Um, no, that's still an opinion. Saying, "I find," in front of something doesn't make it a fact. Saying "I find," is phrase to imply it's something based on your own view and nothing more. The rest of what you said is also an opinion, and while you've got that you share that opinion across, you haven't really shown anything else. Which is fine I guess, but it really didn't require calling someone who does in fact enjoy said content, such as myself, someone who enjoys "boring stories." You don't have to sleep with the dude with no personality, a thug, or even Blackwall to find a compelling story or for the story you found to be compelling.
Well... The more you know.
Warden: Okay, I know I just convinced you to marry Anora yesterday, but now I need you to impregnate Morrigan.
Alistair: What!? Why do you keep pimping me out to these scary women?
Warden: For the good of the realm, Alistair, for the good of the realm.
Even weirder if you're romantically involved the entire time.
I always figured Zevran would be on board with the DR (no matter who was performing it), but I was surprised by Leliana in Inquisition being totally okay with it. More than okay, in fact. Less because you're sleeping with someone else and more because you're fathering a child you will never see and I'm pretty sure crazy ritual sex magic isn't sanctioned by the Chantry...
But yeah, I don't let Alistair do the DR anymore. Makes me feel gross, mostly 'cause we know that he doesn't treat sex lightly, he wants it to be special and not with a woman he loathes... and since Al was a bastard child himself, abandoned by his father, I just... can't.
I'd like to see Loghain's reaction. Maybe it's on YouTube.
I totally found that scenario completely unrealistic, and somewhat insulting. It encourages cheating on your significant other, no matter how you cut it. And lets be honest, young impressionable teenagers, do play this game. A more realistic scenario would be that: Leliana's relationship ends with The Warden, on civil terms.Removing personal-headcannon, The Warden betrayed their relationship, and went against everything Leliana stood for.
She should have left him-period.
I hope a codex-entry in the future does say the relationship ended.
I totally found that scenario completely unrealistic, and somewhat insulting. It encourages cheating on your significant other, no matter how you cut it. And lets be honest, young impressionable teenagers, do play this game. A more realistic scenario would be that: Leliana's relationship ends with The Warden, on civil terms.Removing personal-headcannon, The Warden betrayed their relationship, and went against everything Leliana stood for.
She should have left him-period.
I hope a codex-entry in the future does say the relationship ended.
Romances will never be realistic bioware learned their lesson there would be massive rage hell if she broke up , you should see rage in topic that 1 user thought leliana cheated on romanced warden with josephine rage was so big that developer had to intervene and tell everyone that she didn't.
I'm sure if we had a big Cassandra-romance fan (or any other fan of the romances people have deemed "weak") in here, they'd have a completely different perspective to share.
Whatever romances you find compelling is all based on person preference.
Most real relationships don't involve magical conception that can save lives. I'm just saying that it's a bit of an arbitrary bar in this case. I mean, my male Wardens did it in part because I had no idea getting Alistair to do it was even an option... But the more I think about it the more I'm not sure I would even have asked him to do it had I known considering the creepiness and that I'm supposed to be his best friend at that point. Asking him to have sex with someone he hates purely for my benefit (Seeing as the ritual would work just as well with my Warden) seems awefully self centered.I totally found that scenario completely unrealistic, and somewhat insulting. It encourages cheating on your significant other, no matter how you cut it. And lets be honest, young impressionable teenagers, do play this game. A more realistic scenario would be that: Leliana's relationship ends with The Warden, on civil terms.Removing personal-headcannon, The Warden betrayed their relationship, and went against everything Leliana stood for.
She should have left him-period.
I hope a codex-entry in the future does say the relationship ended.
Um, no, that's still an opinion. Saying, "I find," in front of something doesn't make it a fact. Saying "I find," is phrase to imply it's something based on your own view and nothing more. The rest of what you said is also an opinion, and while you've got that you share that opinion across, you haven't really shown anything else. Which is fine I guess, but it really didn't require calling someone who does in fact enjoy said content, such as myself, someone who enjoys "boring stories." You don't have to sleep with the dude with no personality, a thug, or even Blackwall to find a compelling story or for the story you found to be compelling.
Well, that never stoped you from treating your opinions as facts during all those templar vs mages debates. I don't think you have the high ground here to say what is and what isn't.
Either way, while is true that player preference is personal and not general fact, it doesn't stop the fact that an considerable amount of people are disheartened with the options they got, and just because some people are happy with their romances, others shouldn't be forced to just suck it up and stay quiet.
Either way, while is true that player preference is personal and not general fact, it doesn't stop the fact that an considerable amount of people are disheartened with the options they got, and just because some people are happy with their romances, others shouldn't be forced to just suck it up and stay quiet.
I don't believe anyone is trying to say people are wrong for not being happy with certain romances, just trying to open up the idea that the reason those romances might not be appealing has more to do with personal preference than with the writers of those romances doing a poor job.
I do think it would interesting to invite some Iron Bull, Cassandra, (who was the other one?) romancers in here just for the point of discussion and the opportunity to share a different perspective on those romances that people might not have noticed.
Again, the point isn't to convince people that they're wrong for being disappointed, just to help people understand the various nuances of those romances. Everyone's allowed their own personal preference, even if it's disappointment. But I, personally, find it more fulfilling to be able to understand why people like a certain thing and say "it's not for me" than to just feel dejected over the whole thing.
Then again, other people feel better just venting. So other points of view don't really help in that light.
Well, that never stoped you from treating your opinions as facts during all those templar vs mages debates. I don't think you have the high ground here to say what is and what isn't.
*Stopped, as in you should have stopped trying to bring mage vs. Templar **** into every thread in the same way others need to stop bringing elf debates into every thread. But I'll bite. Make a thread or use one already made and put my opinions there that you feel I somehow stated as fact, while at the same time calling you someone who likes "sociopathic monsters," because that's what a mage is(huehue), otherwise you're just wasting my and your time.
Either way, while is true that player preference is personal and not general fact, it doesn't stop the fact that an considerable amount of people are disheartened with the options they got, and just because some people are happy with their romances, others shouldn't be forced to just suck it up and stay quiet.
Which is not relevant in anyway to this conversation. It doesn't mean I typed that either; go ahead and read what I actually said, realize your mistake, and then stop putting words in my mouth. I spout enough bullshit on my own. I don't need others doing it for me.
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See I wasn't that crazy about Solas' romance. I mean, it was okay, but I think I had way more fun with Fenris, Alistair, Anders, and Zevran.
I hope Cass' is fun because I plan to romance her next. 
*Stopped, as in you should have stopped trying to bring mage vs. Templar **** into every thread in the same way others need to stop bringing elf debates into every thread. But I'll bite. Make a thread or use one already made and put my opinions there that you feel I somehow stated as fact, while at the same time calling you someone who likes "sociopathic monsters," because that's what a mage is(huehue), otherwise you're just wasting my and your time.
Which is not relevant in anyway to this conversation. It doesn't mean I typed that either; go ahead and read what I actually said, realize your mistake, and then stop putting words in my mouth. I spout enough bullshit on my own. I don't need others doing it for me.
Funny considering that any opinion posted on those threads that were not equal to yours were quickly denied or dismissed because it's inconvenient to you. But I digress, you are never wrong right?
*My mistake?* My, if that isn't arrogant. You just dismissed what someone said because it was an opinion. If we start doing that, we might as well dismiss every single thing said in this website ever. If someone say Cassandra is bad they are wrong because it's opinion, if someone say Cassandra is good they are wrong because it's opinion. It would come to an point were there would be nothing to left for the people here to say at all.
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