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Appreciation for Bioware's support of a the gay, female, and other communities


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Necessary for whom? You were fine with your body until age 18, and then decided that you want to change because? 

 

See I'm role-playing a stereotypical man every day myself, at Uni, at work, but that's not who I am, even though I do like/have some masculine traits, I also have a whole bunch of other traits some of which are associated with women, but I cannot express them everywhere, only with my friends and on a night out, otherwise life becomes too hard. 

 

I'm really not the type to judge, since I myself am sitting on my a$s doing nothing for changing societies views, but if you are that brave that you willing to deal with society prejudice and be who you are, do you really have to try and get to the point where you are going to be a complete female and prove their point on what genders are supposed to be, instead of being who you are in your own body? 

 

Or I am not getting something again. 

I think it's the latter. It's not about campaigning for society to change, it's about... well, Danielle explained most of the benefits of transitioning further up.



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I think it's the latter. It's not about campaigning for society to change, it's about... well, Danielle explained most of the benefits of transitioning further up.

 

Then why don't you start your points like this? 

) I enjoy behaving as a stereotypical person of the opposite gender.

) I transition to become the opposite gender so that people won't think that I am doing something wrong, and life would be easier. 

Bam. Simple, easy and most importantly fair enough. 



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Then why don't you start your points like this? 

) I enjoy behaving as a stereotypical person of the opposite gender.

) I transition to become the opposite gender so that people won't think that I am doing something wrong, and life would be easier. 

Bam. Simple, easy and most importantly fair enough. 

But that's not it. The benefits are internal. The proper hormones will physiologically make you feel better if you're transsexual.



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I appreciate you trying to explain it to me, even though I'm still confused. 
 
I guess I just don't get it because I have never experienced it and so the very concept is alien to me, and thus, sympathetic or not, empathetic or not, it is truly impossible for me to understand what it is truly like because I have never experienced it and thus can only guess. And since I can only, truly understand things I have direct experience with, any attempt I make at trying to understand is likely going to make my head spin and I'll look like an anime character with the swirly eyes. 
 
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For me it's pretty simple. I am what I am. I was born a guy so I am a guy. I like girls so I am straight. I also have asperger's syndrome so I am also a high-functioning-autistic-person and tend to take things quite literally at times and only realize a metaphor or allegory was at play later. I've gotten considerably better at that over the years.
 
I don't think I'll ever understand it, but that doesn't mean I'm judging people who are transgendered, gay, lesbian or whatnot. I simply do not care if you are or are not because, as I've said before, it's really on superficial to the whole of the person. 
 
More important attributes to focus on when celebrating people would be things like if they are people of integrity who treated all people with respect, kept their words. Things they were successful at, like studying and working really hard and winning a science fair or talent show, being hard working, diligent, courageous when the situation calls for it. Their moments of levity and the things they do for fun and the nature of their entertainment. How they deal with people from different walks of life and such. 
 
People are people, there are jerks and saints in every group. I'm good friends with a gay guy who asked to his name removed from all records of the church I belong to because he didn't agree with what the church taught about God's view on gay and lesbians, but he is still a good guy who does genuinely try to help those around him, and even though he disagrees with the church I belong to, he still attends the church meetings to support his friends who are part of the church every now and then. He has nothing against religion, and is a great guy. But I've also met through him gay and lesbians who hate on religion as if it's the be-all end-all evil of the world and if anyone professes to be Christian that must mean they are a hateful homophobe and bigot and went out of their way to treat them as horribly as they could preemptively based entirely on the idea that the person they're mistreating must hate them and their lifestyle because they are Christian. 
 
And likewise in reverse, I've members of various religious sects who are genuinely loving of people who are gay and lesbian. My best friend's brother is gay and his father was once a bishop in the church, and these people approach the issue as "we are commanded to love all people and not the sin, judgement is in the hands of God, all we can do is love one another." And I've also met members of various churches who actually are just plain jerks to people who act in a way that they feel is contrary to God's will. 
 
An ethnic group, religious group, such and such political cause group are good things to be part of, if they are done in respectful ways. But when members of whatever group they are a part of harass others because they believe differently or whatnot, then it ought not matter if they are part of a minority or disenfranchised group or a historically majority one, that person is a jerk.


It really is an extremely difficult thing to explain and when we're young, sometimes we question ourselves. I'm not saying all of us do but I know that I tried to accept who I was supposed to be but it just kept getting worse. Accepting myself and making the changes was the most frightening thing I've done in life, I had to go against what my parents wanted for me and to expose myself to everyone, it's a truly scary thing. Transitioning at work where everyone saw me as male was equally scary, which turned out wonderfully, better than I could have imagined, people at work are genuinely happy for me and tell me how much happier I seem to them. One of my best friends at work is a very religious man and he's still one of my best friends, which makes me very happy. I harbor no ill will towards religion, I grew up in a Christian family, was an alter boy as a youth. In the end I just had to do what was best for me.
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It really is an extremely difficult thing to explain and when we're young, sometimes we question ourselves. I'm not saying all of us do but I know that I tried to accept who I was supposed to be but it just kept getting worse. Accepting myself and making the changes was the most frightening thing I've done in life, I had to go against what my parents wanted for me and to expose myself to everyone, it's a truly scary thing. Transitioning at work where everyone saw me as male was equally scary, which turned out wonderfully, better than I could have imagined, people at work are genuinely happy for me and tell me how much happier I seem to them. One of my best friends at work is a very religious man and he's still one of my best friends, which makes me very happy. I harbor no ill will towards religion, I grew up in a Christian family, was an alter boy as a youth. In the end I just had to do what was best for me. Strange days indeed. :)

 

 

I think you should go back to Church and rub off on people.  I'll go with you.  You're really a wonderful person.  Too bad we can't chill in real life.  :)



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I think you should go back to Church and rub off on people. I'll go with you. You're really a wonderful person. Too bad we can't chill in real life. :)

The likes of you two are the reason why no matter how sh***y it gets, the internet will always be wonderful. :)

The religion thing really makes the LGBT thing so much harder. I used to be so jealous of atheists sometimes! :rolleyes:

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Danielle, I've been reading your posts and thanks for sharing your story.  While I have been in the LGBT community for a little over 20 years, I'll admit that I have not met a lot of the trans community.  I love learning more and I appreciate you giving us your viewpoint.

 

To get on topic:  Thank you BioWare, for your diversity and inclusion in your series.  Most of your characters have managed to touch a personal cord with me in some way, and I look forward to more.  I knew of BioWare games but, like Dirk, I had no idea that they had included same gender romances.  It was in the Same Gender Romance thread on the ToR forums that told me that those romances were available.  Within less than a day I had the DA Ultimate Edition, and I haven't looked back.

 

Also, thanks for the giggle with the Ceremonal armor requisition.  For those that don't know, the image is of a chainmail bikini with arrows stuck all of it.   I felt that, between Bull's banter with Cass (where they talk about her armor) and that requisition drove home how you guys feel about "sexy" armor.  Thank you!


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I definitely appreciate this. It's not my experience, as I only started figuring it out around 18 or so (and was like KainD before then), but this story does seem to be more common, and I'm glad you've shared it.


From what I've heard your story isn't unusual. Some of the people I got to know on my journey had similar experiences.

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The likes of you two are the reason why no matter how sh***y it gets, the internet will always be wonderful. :)

The religion thing really makes the LGBT thing so much harder. I used to be so jealous of atheists sometimes! :rolleyes:

 

It shouldn't.  It means that mean people win.  God isn't for some people.  God is for everyone.  Jesus had a lot of time to discuss gay people or trans people for that matter and if it were that important I think he might have mentioned it.

 

Instead he discussed charity, kindness, and loving your enemies.



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It shouldn't. It means that mean people win. God isn't for some people. God is for everyone. Jesus had a lot of time to discuss gay people or trans people for that matter and if it were that important I think he might have mentioned it.

Instead he discussed charity, kindness, and loving your enemies.

No, it shouldn't. 14 year old me wasn't as strong as almost-30 year old me, though. :) Took a long time, but I got there and didn't throw my faith away in the process. Win! :D
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It shouldn't.  It means that mean people win.  God isn't for some people.  God is for everyone.  Jesus had a lot of time to discuss gay people or trans people for that matter and if it were that important I think he might have mentioned it.

 

Instead he discussed charity, kindness, and loving your enemies.

I do wish more people held to your view, instead of the "God is for the faithful and those who don't worship him are screwed" one.



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I do wish more people held to your view, instead of the "God is for the faithful and those who don't worship him are screwed" one.

 

Then make it so.  Be the Buddha, or Jesus or "you" and let your light shine.  People are inspired by happy and healthy people.  Look at Danielle, not to embarrass her, but her "light" has really made it possible for people to speak openly on a very sensitive subject without rancor.

 

If you can discuss a sex change with maturity, you can discuss religion.  It's about "namaste", finding the God/ Buddha/Jesus within others and connecting it to that within you.

 

Of course, I can't always do this so I'm talking out my ass right now...



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I'm still not seeing how this applies to how people appreciate a game for its inclusiveness.  If someone bakes me a cake and I'm all "I totally appreciate that cake" I'm just being normal.

I know this is a little late, but I think this is my favorite thing you've said so far.  I owe you a like!



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Then make it so.  Be the Buddha, or Jesus or "you" and let your light shine.  People are inspired by happy and healthy people.  Look at Danielle, not to embarrass her, but her "light" has really made it possible for people to speak openly on a very sensitive subject without rancor.

 

If you can discuss a sex change with maturity, you can discuss religion.  It's about "namaste", finding the God/ Buddha/Jesus within others and connecting it to that within you.

 

Of course, I can't always do this so I'm talking out my ass right now...

I'm not a person of light; I'm very dark, much of the time. Most of what I have for the world is anger and dissatisfaction. Though I do try to speak of religion maturely, I've found through experience that I can't have faith in anything without proof.


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But that's not it. The benefits are internal. The proper hormones will physiologically make you feel better if you're transsexual.

 

But you just said that you were like me until 18, internal struggle really started after that age?



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But you just said that you were like me until 18, internal struggle really started after that age?

Not precisely. I realized what the internal struggle was about around then.



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Just so you all know there have been a lot of posts that I wanted to like but I've been out for quite a while but I do appreciate all of you. I've had a great day. :)

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Just so you all know there have been a lot of posts that I wanted to like but I've been out for quite a while but I do appreciate all of you. I've had a great day. :)


*to tune of Air Supply*

"I'm all out of likes, I'm so lost without them..."

You've made a great contribution and made what could have been a disastrous thread into a productive one, thanks to your calm and graceful attitude. :)
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I'm not a person of light; I'm very dark, much of the time. Most of what I have for the world is anger and dissatisfaction. Though I do try to speak of religion maturely, I've found through experience that I can't have faith in anything without proof.

 

Not sure your age and I don't want to sound dismissive but I grew up under Communism until I was 8, believed in nothing and THEN had an experience that made me feel forever attached to G-D or the Wholly Other or the Universal Spirit and I am now both profoundly grateful and changed.

 

I hope you find some light in you.  I believe it is there.  I believe that sometimes the world can seem dark and unworthy but it's not.  It's really not.

 

((hugs to you))



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*to tune of Air Supply*

"I'm all out of likes, I'm so lost without them..."

You've made a great contribution and made what could have been a disastrous thread into a productive one, thanks to your calm and graceful attitude. :)


Oh, believe me I've had to do some growing up as I've said some things in some of the threads dealing with Krem, that I'm not proud of and I'm sorry I said them. Hopefully, I'm a grown woman now. :)
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*to tune of Air Supply*

"I'm all out of likes, I'm so lost without them..."

You've made a great contribution and made what could have been a disastrous thread into a productive one, thanks to your calm and graceful attitude. :)

 

 

Exactly.  People respond to goodness.

 

As I told her in PMs, she's "Cinderella" to me.   Have courage, be kind.



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If this thread continues my reputation will be in tatters.



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Hopefully, I'm a grown woman now. :)

I keep hoping the same thing for myself.  I'll let you know when I get there.  :P



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Not sure your age and I don't want to sound dismissive but I grew up under Communism until I was 8, believed in nothing and THEN had an experience that made me feel forever attached to G-D or the Wholly Other or the Universal Spirit and I am not both profoundly grateful and changed.

 

I hope you find some light in you.  I believe it is there.  I believe that sometimes the world can see dark and unworthy but it's not.  It's really not.

 

((hugs to you))

Hmmm. Would you be willing to PM me about this experience?



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Not sure your age and I don't want to sound dismissive but I grew up under Communism until I was 8, believed in nothing and THEN had an experience that made me feel forever attached to G-D or the Wholly Other or the Universal Spirit and I am not both profoundly grateful and changed.

 

You remind me a bit of my best friend of over 17 years.  He was born and raised in Soviet Russia, and came here (US) on political asylum in 1990.  He isn't religious, but he's also a fairly spiritual person.