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[dragonflight288]

I'm curious, what does an 'sjw fest' actually mean?

I thought the thread was running quite nicely until the last page or so...

 

Social Justice Warrior. 

 

An overused term across many websites, often used by people on both sides of the debate to varying degrees of effectiveness.

 

I thought this was a really good debate until this last page myself as I was trying to have an honest discussion without being prejudiced, simply trying to foster understanding. 

 

Like the saying, "don't judge someone until you walk a mile in their shoes." Because I've never been transgendered or gay, I can sympathize with them because I know people like that, but I truly cannot honestly empathize with them because I have never experienced what they they have.

[Zobert]

Why should I try to be nice when I get called a misogynist just for having the gall to be born with a penis?

Why should I be nice when the first person on our planet to put a robot on an asteroid is verbally abused to the point of breaking down crying on TV because some people didn't like his shirt (apparently it promoted abuse)?

Why should I be nice, when people's griefs are based on lies that were only intended to make money? Why should I bow down to the lies and the hypocrisy?

Someone should stand up for what is right, and by Odin's beard, I am someone.

 

Unless I'm mistaken we have never met so you might want to direct this baggage you carry with you at the intended receiver of it because you would be sadly mistaken to think I'm here to mop your tears because life isn't going the way you think it ought to for a First World human. 

 

That person who got his robot on an asteroid got his robot on an asteroid.  About 300,000 girls 14 and under will be married off to some old trout this year against their will in Yemen and never go to school to even learn what robot technology is so he should kiss his ass and get happy.

 

I have absolutely zero sympathy during work hours for First World problems, certainly not when I have to kiss ass and beg for money to get adequate funding for anti-clitoral mutilation programs.

 

Oh Lawd Have Mercy!  Women are happy that we now have multiple options instead of a handful.  Your rights as a man are now violated by me and Bioware.

 

How do you live knowing that I'm playing a female character and happy about it?    I mean, dude, that's right up there with being lashed 200 times for complaining you were gang raped by a pack of disgusting subhumans.

 

 

There have been females in games since at least 1987, that's almost thirty years now. Do try to keep up, nor have women ever been excluded much, even in first person shooters. In Unreal Tournament, for instance, you had a ton of female avatars, and RPGs have had mixed rosters for as long as I can remember.

The non-analysis of videogames started by Sarkeesian is bullshit. Women have always been welcome in games. Selfish assholes who want everyone to bow down to their wishes aren't welcome anywhere, and has nothing to do with gender.

****** self centered nonsense.

 

Again, I think you should go speak to whatever female got better grades in school with you or beat you out for a promotion at work instead of me because you don't know me, and you are barking up the wrong mutherfucking tree if you think I'm going to care about all this offbeat nonsense and emotional baggage you're thrusting at me.

 

I have mentioned the few women in games and that I appreciate the RPG with female heroes of Bethesda and Bioware.  How that somehow translates into me wanting you to not be able to play your hero I have no idea which is why I think you need to check the baggage and just get on the plane.

 

All T, no shade--dude, you have some issues you need to work out but not on strangers who don't write the games, didn't make your robot man cry, and certainly have done nothing to you to deserve this type of angsty-response.

[dragonflight288]

Guys, this kind of discussion is counterproductive. There's no need to be hostile towards one another. 

 

There's no point blaming each other on this forum for things that none of us have done, nor is there any point in exaggerating perceived offenses to justify your own feelings of anger on the topic. 

 

Until this last page this discussion has been really good and productive. But this thread is now on the fast track to getting locked if we don't take a few to take a breather and let cooler heads prevail. 

 

If you don't like the content of this thread, it's far easier to move on to one you do like and have a positive and productive discussion there rather than degrade the people in a thread you don't like. 

[Zobert]

Guys, this kind of discussion is counterproductive. There's no need to be hostile towards one another. 

 

There's no point blaming each other on this forum for things that none of us have done, nor is there any point in exaggerating perceived offenses to justify your own feelings of anger on the topic. 

 

Until this last page this discussion has been really good and productive. But this thread is now on the fast track to getting locked if we don't take a few to take a breather and let cooler heads prevail. 

 

If you don't like the content of this thread, it's far easier to move on to one you do like and have a positive and productive discussion there rather than degrade the people in a thread you don't like. 

 

 

Uh huh, well conversely no one told him he had to attack people that don't work for Bioware and don't own the media for things that they dislike.

 

Just once, just once I would like all the men who think that women are taking over the world to recognize that the "world" is not the United States, Canada, and Great Britain where women can walk freely to and from their jobs without escort, where women's voice in court is that of a man's, where women aren't legally sold in marriage, where women get to choose who they marry, how many kids they have, and in a divorce don't lose their children when they turn 8 to their husband's new 15 year old wife or his aging mother.  Just once I would like these men to see a video of a 12 year old getting her clitoris sawed off in a public ritual to make her more beautiful for her future husband or speak to a woman whose face and body is covered in 3rd degree burns because her new inlaws didn't want her in their family, just her dowry.  Then, then they can tell me how good "women" have it.

 

You want us to provide insight and understanding...that's part of it.  You have to be willing to accept that of the over 7 billion people on the planet, only about a seventh of them live in this world he's describing. Women of the world are not all mocha sipping, yoga class teaching, Prius driving "feminists", close to half of them live in conditions that our pets would turn their noses up at.

 

Realizing and accepting that is a huge part of dialogue because until you are wedded to reality, there can be no discussion about it.

[daveliam]

Sjw stands for Social Justice Warrior.

 

I think sofajockey was referring to the phrase 'sjw fest'.  He's been around enough to know (and have been called) an sjw.  But what the hell is an sjw fest?  Is it like a musical festival?  Renaissance Faire?  Is it a mature discussion about LGBT themes in gaming?  To be honest, I think it's just a nonsense dismissive term used by someone who isn't interested in actually discussing the topic at hand, but wants to show how cool and edgy s/he is by dismissing it anonymously on an internet forum.  But that's just a hunch on my part.

 

Social Justice Warrior. 

 

An overused term across many websites, often used by people on both sides of the debate to varying degrees of effectiveness.

 

I thought this was a really good debate until this last page myself as I was trying to have an honest discussion without being prejudiced, simply trying to foster understanding. 

 

Like the saying, "don't judge someone until you walk a mile in their shoes." Because I've never been transgendered or gay, I can sympathize with them because I know people like that, but I truly cannot honestly empathize with them because I have never experienced what they they have.

 

I think that this is all we can really ask of people who are different than us.  I don't expect straight people to know what it's like to be gay.  I just want them to acknowledge the places where we are still discriminated against and, if they can't celebrate the places where we aren't, at least not further denigrate us.  It's the same for trans people.  I can't ever truly understand what it's like to be trans because I'm not.  I can only take their word on what their experience is like and then reflect on my own actions and words accordingly.  The trans violence and suicide numbers in the world are appalling and I am well aware from stories that I've heard from trans people how much daily discrimination they can face.  While I might not ever be able to truly understand their experience, I can make sure that I don't contribute to that violence, discrimination, bullying, etc that they have to face.  That's why the pronoun debates seem callous and selfish to me.  If a person's day can be made better by just referring to them by their preferred pronoun, why wouldn't I do that?  What do I have to gain otherwise?  How does 'taking a stand for grammar' make the situation any better.  Just boggles my mind.

[Zobert]

 

I think that this is all we can really ask of people who are different than us.  I don't expect straight people to know what it's like to be gay.  I just want them to acknowledge the places where we are still discriminated against and, if they can't celebrate the places where we aren't, at least not further denigrate us.

 

I don't even expect that much.  I just hope they don't make it worse or try to step to me on this crap because today I am not having it.

 

Nearly half a million girls either born or living in the US today will either leave the US for their spring break to have their clitoris sawed off by butchers or have it done here in the US and I have to write radio announcements about it.  France basically gave up trying to stop it from happening and now has decriminalized it so that the girls there can at least have their parts taken off by a medical professional and I get to hear about somehow equate this to a man who had the glorious opportunity, I mean the once in a lifetime opportunity, to build robotics and set them into space crying because someone misinterpreted his shirt on television.

 

Those girls will never have his life.

 

And quite frankly, if I was that guy and someone misjudged me I would be a fierce ****** like I am right now and read him to filth instead of crying on TV.  Dude, your robot is on an asteroid.  Is that person's comments taking that away from you?

 

Yes, I'm mean.  You're nice.  At least the forum has you.

[Jaison1986]

I think sofajockey was referring to the phrase 'sjw fest'.  He's been around enough to know (and have been called) an sjw.  But what the hell is an sjw fest?  Is it like a musical festival?  Renaissance Faire?  Is it a mature discussion about LGBT themes in gaming?  To be honest, I think it's just a nonsense dismissive term used by someone who isn't interested in actually discussing the topic at hand, but wants to show how cool and edgy s/he is by dismissing it anonymously on an internet forum.  But that's just a hunch on my part.

 

 

I think that this is all we can really ask of people who are different than us.  I don't expect straight people to know what it's like to be gay.  I just want them to acknowledge the places where we are still discriminated against and, if they can't celebrate the places where we aren't, at least not further denigrate us.  It's the same for trans people.  I can't ever truly understand what it's like to be trans because I'm not.  I can only take their word on what their experience is like and then reflect on my own actions and words accordingly.  The trans violence and suicide numbers in the world are appalling and I am well aware from stories that I've heard from trans people how much daily discrimination they can face.  While I might not ever be able to truly understand their experience, I can make sure that I don't contribute to that violence, discrimination, bullying, etc that they have to face.  That's why the pronoun debates seem callous and selfish to me.  If a person's day can be made better by just referring to them by their preferred pronoun, why wouldn't I do that?  What do I have to gain otherwise?  How does 'taking a stand for grammar' make the situation any better.  Just boggles my mind.

 

You just talked like an sjw there. You think it's an term used by other to dismiss an argument. I use sjw as an term to unresonable people that like to shut down any argument by throwing slurs because they can't win the debate. "You disagree with my statement? Clearly it's because you are an ableist and sexist jerk!". Or for people who make generalizing comments and that love to judge an entire group for the mistakes of a few. Wich is a massive double standard from the sjw's, considering they criticize and judge people for generalizing an marginalized group, but don't think twice before doing the exact same thing with people considered a majority. And then they have the audacity to consider themselves resonable people. 

[daveliam]

You just talked like an sjw there. You think it's an term used by other to dismiss an argument. I use sjw as an term to unresonable people that like to shut down any argument by throwing slurs because they can't win the debate. "You disagree with my statement? Clearly it's because you are an ableist and sexist jerk!". Or for people who make generalizing comments and that love to judge an entire group for the mistakes of a few. Wich is a massive double standard from the sjw's, considering they criticize and judge people for generalizing an marginalized group, but don't think twice before doing the exact same thing with people considered a majority. And then they have the audacity to consider themselves resonable people. 

 

And where was that happening in this thread prior to the 'sjw fest' comment happening?  That's my point.

[Zobert]

You just talked like an sjw there. You think it's an term used by other to dismiss an argument. I use sjw as an term to unresonable people that like to shut down any argument by throwing slurs because they can't win the debate. "You disagree with my statement? Clearly it's because you are an ableist and sexist jerk!". Or for people who make generalizing comments and that love to judge an entire group for the mistakes of a few. Wich is a massive double standard from the sjw's, considering they criticize and judge people for generalizing an marginalized group, but don't think twice before doing the exact same thing with people considered a majority. And then they have the audacity to consider themselves resonable people. 

 

I don't believe that we own the language of other people.  I live without expectations that other people will change to please me or even like me.  I don't require people to use my language or address me however.  Because I adopt that anarchist/voluntarist approach I also voluntarily tell people how I feel about this or voluntarily pretend they no longer exist on the planet.

 

IMO, neither the SJWs or those that feel abused by it own the moral high ground today because any dictation of the lives of others is authoritarian and anti-personal liberty.

[jeromefiefdom]

Unless I'm mistaken we have never met so you might want to direct this baggage you carry with you at the intended receiver of it because you would be sadly mistaken to think I'm here to mop your tears because life isn't going the way you think it ought to for a First World human. 

 

That person who got his robot on an asteroid got his robot on an asteroid.  About 300,000 girls 14 and under will be married off to some old trout this year against their will in Yemen and never go to school to even learn what robot technology is so he should kiss his ass and get happy.

 

I have absolutely zero sympathy during work hours for First World problems, certainly not when I have to kiss ass and beg for money to get adequate funding for anti-clitoral mutilation programs.

 

Oh Lawd Have Mercy!  Women are happy that we now have multiple options instead of a handful.  Your rights as a man are now violated by me and Bioware.

 

How do you live knowing that I'm playing a female character and happy about it?    I mean, dude, that's right up there with being lashed 200 times for complaining you were gang raped by a pack of disgusting subhumans.

 

 

 

Again, I think you should go speak to whatever female got better grades in school with you or beat you out for a promotion at work instead of me because you don't know me, and you are barking up the wrong mutherfucking tree if you think I'm going to care about all this offbeat nonsense and emotional baggage you're thrusting at me.

 

I have mentioned the few women in games and that I appreciate the RPG with female heroes of Bethesda and Bioware.  How that somehow translates into me wanting you to not be able to play your hero I have no idea which is why I think you need to check the baggage and just get on the plane.

 

All T, no shade--dude, you have some issues you need to work out but not on strangers who don't write the games, didn't make your robot man cry, and certainly have done nothing to you to deserve this type of angsty-response.

 

I like this human

[Zobert]

I like this human

 

LOL, don't be too quick to judge.  I'm Regina George after she's eaten too many carb bars.  Give it a few more posts and you'll be all:

 

[dragonflight288]

<snip>

 

I do acknowledge it. I nearly brought it up in one of my earlier posts myself but restrained myself because it was not relevant to the topic at hand. 

 

Things are definitely considerably worse, especially in ISIS controlled areas for women, gays, transgendered, but it's also considerably worse for christians, jews, muslims who aren't muslim enough, and pretty much anyone who doesn't kowtow to their highly rigid and brutally enforced ideology. 

 

And there are modern day matriarchal socieites throughout the world where men have next to no rights as well. 

 

At present, I can't do anything about these areas because I'm not in a position to do so. But I can do what I can for my immediate area, which in my case, is North America. 

 

Does that mean I agree with everything either side says? Of course not. Does that mean I support everything either side does? Of course not.

 

I live a certain way, and I've seen my own share of prejudice because of my religion. Because I'm a mormon, I somehow have horns growing on my head (actually had someone ask to feel my head to find the horns,) I somehow have to worship Joseph Smith or the Devil, I somehow am not Christian because I somehow deny the Bible, and some protesters pretty much told me, well shouted in my general direction while I was on my way to General Conference, that I'm evil incarnate for believing in my church.

 

Gays, Transgens and women are not the only ones discriminated against in the world. I'm not facing torture and death and suffering watching my sisters and mother get raped and sold into sexual slavery like many in Pakistan, Iran and other such places. I'm not discriminated against as a man like in some matriarchal societies, so I consider myself lucky and blessed to live in a country where I can live as I choose so long as I don't hurt anybody, and others can also do the same. 

 

It's not perfect, but nothing in life is.

[SofaJockey]

I think sofajockey was referring to the phrase 'sjw fest'.  He's been around enough to know (and have been called) an sjw.  But what the hell is an sjw fest?  Is it like a musical festival?  Renaissance Faire?  Is it a mature discussion about LGBT themes in gaming?  To be honest, I think it's just a nonsense dismissive term used by someone who isn't interested in actually discussing the topic at hand, but wants to show how cool and edgy s/he is by dismissing it anonymously on an internet forum.  But that's just a hunch on my part.

 

Exactly this.

 

I was asking (politely) because I find the term 'Social Justice Warrior' to be quite a lazy way to dismiss people and I didn't see any rampant Social Justice campaigning in the thread until the poster mentioned it. 

 

My favourite comment of the thread so far (among many) has been:

 

Caveat: Don't hurt others in the process.

 

How about a little tolerance regardless of your own circumstances?

Why it is acceptable to dismiss, insult or be nasty to people whose experience is different is beyond me.

 

In some regards I am not personally involved in these discussions as a white male older straight married guy with three daughters.

But I can read, consider and try to understand. The world I want my daughters to grow up in is not a world full of trolls and bigots.

 

Amusingly I tried to post on the Witcher forum about the relationship between bigotry and the Witcher,

because often when I see posts talking of SJWs and 'gays' and ugly women characters, the follow up line is 'I'm going to play the Witcher'...

 

I like the Witcher, it has a gritty story, but I do not believe it deserves to be cast as a bigoted game, I think CD Project Red has stronger morality than that. But the moderators there felt and in the end I agreed that such a thread on their forum would be an invitation to a car crash ! 

 

As for BSN, it would be super if we could just be a little more pleasant and a little less snarky with each other regardless of our perspectives. 

[Zobert]

I do acknowledge it. I nearly brought it up in one of my earlier posts myself but restrained myself because it was not relevant to the topic at hand. 

 

Things are definitely considerably worse, especially in ISIS controlled areas for women, gays, transgendered, but it's also considerably worse for christians, jews, muslims who aren't muslim enough, and pretty much anyone who doesn't kowtow to their highly rigid and brutally enforced ideology.

 

Excuse me are you saying there aren't women in these countries who are Christians, that it is only males who are Christians?  How many Jews do you think live in Yemen or Pakistan right now?  Are you also saying that non-Fundamentalist Muslims aren't being treated the same way?  Are you also saying that in India, a Hindu dominated state that women aren't also treated like great big expendable piles of **** by their regional authorities?

 

 

Forgive my ire, but you should understand that things are slightly more complex than you are making them.

 

 

And there are modern day matriarchal socieites throughout the world where men have next to no rights as well. 

 

Really?  Do list a few of these matriarchal societies where men have no rights. 

 

 

At present, I can't do anything about these areas because I'm not in a position to do so. But I can do what I can for my immediate area, which in my case, is North America. 

 

Does that mean I agree with everything either side says? Of course not. Does that mean I support everything either side does? Of course not.

 

I live a certain way, and I've seen my own share of prejudice because of my religion. Because I'm a mormon, I somehow have horns growing on my head (actually had someone ask to feel my head to find the horns,) I somehow have to worship Joseph Smith or the Devil, I somehow am not Christian because I somehow deny the Bible, and some protesters pretty much told me, well shouted in my general direction while I was on my way to General Conference, that I'm evil incarnate for believing in my church.

 

I have never once thought Mormons were evil.  The worst thing I've said is that you live in a social bubble, but evil no.  One of my very favorite people in the world is an LDS female who is kind, genteel and completely overruled by her husband, BUT that is her choice.  No one is holding her down and beating her to stay in the marriage.

 

 

And there are modern day matriarchal socieites throughout the world where men have next to no rights as well. 

 

At present, I can't do anything about these areas because I'm not in a position to do so. But I can do what I can for my immediate area, which in my case, is North America. 

 

Does that mean I agree with everything either side says? Of course not. Does that mean I support everything either side does? Of course not.

 

I live a certain way, and I've seen my own share of prejudice because of my religion. Because I'm a mormon, I somehow have horns growing on my head (actually had someone ask to feel my head to find the horns,) I somehow have to worship Joseph Smith or the Devil, I somehow am not Christian because I somehow deny the Bible, and some protesters pretty much told me, well shouted in my general direction while I was on my way to General Conference, that I'm evil incarnate for believing in my church.

 

Gays, Transgens and women are not the only ones discriminated against in the world. I'm not facing torture and death and suffering watching my sisters and mother get raped and sold into sexual slavery like many in Pakistan, Iran and other such places. I'm not discriminated against as a man like in some matriarchal societies, so I consider myself lucky and blessed to live in a country where I can live as I choose so long as I don't hurt anybody, and others can also do the same. 

 

It's not perfect, but nothing in life is.

 

This is what I mean about the bubble, and I know you don't mean it so I'll be as nice about this as I can be...you seem to equate being shouted at in a country where you can also shout back and say "eat my shorts" with living in a country that punishes you for being raped.

 

You also bring up these matriarchal societies that discriminate against men without naming them.  The fact that you can't name them shows that there are probably a grand total of 30-40 people living in them.

 

This is a bizarre equalization that shows you aren't really digging deep to understand why people feel as they do.

 

This matriarchal society that abuses males that you can't name is like the pretty girl in school who is a size 2 complaining that she feels bloated to the girl who is a size 16.  It's just shallow in understanding the very real and harsh reality of a group of people who make up over half the world but own less than 1% of the property, who can give birth to and raise men but are considered lesser to them.

[Panda]

Are we talking our appreciation towards Bioware anymore? ^^;

[Zobert]

Are we talking our appreciation towards Bioware anymore? ^^;

 

Yay, thanks Bioware!  Huzzah!

[SofaJockey]

Are we talking our appreciation towards Bioware anymore? ^^;

 

Great redirection Panda 

[dragonflight288]

*sigh*

 

This isn't about you Zobart. I wasn't making any commentary towards you to be about you, and I'm not trying to be insulting in any way, nor did I say you were against my religious beliefs. I was simply responding and hoping to move on. 

 

Yes, I know things are more complicated. I've been keeping myself informed. But I'm not trying to start a discussion because I don't think it's appropriate for this thread. 

 

I oversimplified things on purpose because I wanted to glaze over it, not get hung up on the details. 

 

 

 

Really?  Do list a few of these matriarchal societies where men have no rights. 

 

Very well.

 

Here are a list of socieites where women rule.

 

http://mentalfloss.c...-literally-rule

 

The minankingabu are one where the man is designated to housework. The Akan don't allow their men to take any leadership roles in society at all. The Bribri have it so only women can inherit land. 

 

There's also a town in Brazil called Novo Do Cordeiro where men aren't even allowed to live. They can't get jobs there, they aren't allowed to live with their spouses, help raise their children if child is a daughter, and are only allowed in on the weekends to be with their family. This was in a news report because they are now in desperate need for more men due to a population crises. 300 women are petitioning to have men be allowed in to increase their chances of finding husbands.

 

http://news.national...ents-are-women/

[Zobert]

<snip>

 

I also don't mean to ride you because you've asked questions nicely and tried your best to understand Danielle's journey regardless of your church teaching.   You seem like a nice kid and I am feeling my inner grizzly today.

 

This is a word of advice that you can take or leave, yes, it is true that the person who lost their finger and cannot use it sustained a regrettable loss and deserves sympathy, but to complain about it to the person who lost both legs in Iraq and is in a wheelchair won't get you the type of sympathy you might receive from someone who lost no finger.

 

If you want to complain about how males are treated in "matriarchal societies" do so with other males, not with a female who spends 4-6 months out of every year in the field, usually in patriarchal societies, handing out female condoms, life-saving drugs, and lecturing on the health disadvantages of female genital "cutting" while wearing headscarves that she abhors and being treated at times like the bride of Satan.

 

I'm not going to "hear" it.

 

Now, in the US do I think that white males are given a bit of the **** treatment by the media, especially conservative white males?  Yep.  Sure do.  Unfortunately, I cannot muster equivalent sympathy to march in the streets over it.

[Zobert]

*sigh*

 

This isn't about you Zobart. I wasn't making any commentary towards you to be about you, and I'm not trying to be insulting in any way, nor did I say you were against my religious beliefs. I was simply responding and hoping to move on. 

 

Yes, I know things are more complicated. I've been keeping myself informed. But I'm not trying to start a discussion because I don't think it's appropriate for this thread. 

 

I oversimplified things on purpose because I wanted to glaze over it, not get hung up on the details. 

 

 

 

Uh huh, as I've said how many people live there and can they leave their region and experience a different life?  The answer less than the population of a moderate American city and yes they can move.  Can the women living in Yemen?  No.

 

 

It's comparing the person who lost a finger to a double amputee.  While it's tragic, it's not equally tragic so the double amputee in a wheelchair isn't going to feel the level of sympathy someone would who lost nothing.  Discuss this among males, not mixed company if you want people to be shocked and outraged.

 

Over-simplifying is worse than not speaking about it at all. 

 

Again, not picking on you and normally I do defend men who complain about things, but not when they try to equivocate.

[dragonflight288]

I'm not complaining, merely pointing out that there are such places. I know things can be far worse than what I have in life. 

 

I was actually trying to point out that I feel blessed and am thankful to live in a place where I don't suffer such discrimination nor do I have to suffer because of my beliefs and I feel for those who do suffer, 

[daveliam]

The minankingabu are one where the man is designated to housework. The Akan don't allow their men to take any leadership roles in society at all. The Bribri have it so only women can inherit land. 

 

There's also a town in Brazil called Novo Do Cordeiro where men aren't even allowed to live. They can't get jobs there, they aren't allowed to live with their spouses, help raise their children if child is a daughter, and are only allowed in on the weekends to be with their family. This was in a news report because they are now in desperate need for more men due to a population crises. 300 women are petitioning to have men be allowed in to increase their chances of finding husbands.

 

This is slightly off topic at this point, but I'm not sure if you have accurately summarized these societies. 

 

Here's what it says about the Minangkabau:  In Minangkabau society, women usually rule the domestic realm while the men take the political and spiritual leadership roles.

 

Here's what it says about the Akan:  All matriclan founders are female, but men traditionally hold leadership positions within the society.

 

And, you are totally wrong about Novo do Cordeiro.  Men do live in that village, but they mostly work in industries like mining that require them to be away during the week.  Men live and work there, just the majority of men work far enough away that they are only in the village on weekends.  There are no rules that are keeping them away from their families.

[Zobert]

I'm not complaining, merely pointing out that there are such places. I know things can be far worse than what I have in life. 

 

I was actually trying to point out that I feel blessed and am thankful to live in a place where I don't suffer such discrimination nor do I have to suffer because of my beliefs and I feel for those who do suffer, 

 

Understand.  I'm merely pointing out that you could have just said the last sentence, left it at that, and people would have been appreciative.

 

And, btw, I don't pretend that I'm sweetness and light.  I'm a disagreeable sort and had a turrible morning.

[dragonflight288]

Very well. I was wrong and misread some of them. 

[Draining Dragon]