@KrrKs
When I say "we see no place on the tower" I mean aesthetically from the outside we don't see any large view port windows with a circular shape. We don't see any clear spot that you can point to and say "that looks like the TIM room!" I do see that with Link's picture, though. Like I said, that part looks precisely what I'd suspect that room would look like from the outside.
In the top image I posted, Shep's head is nearer the back end of the citadel, her feet point towards the wards. Therefore the elevator can only take you up in the opposite direction to that which the crucible docked.
So - to use KrrKs' method - you're saying Shep's head points in a Blue direction? That's where the Crucible is, it docks at the bottom of the Citadel. So the elevator would take you towards it.
@KrrKs
When I say "we see no place on the tower" I mean aesthetically from the outside we don't see any large view port windows with a circular shape. We don't see any clear spot that you can point to and say "that looks like the TIM room!" I do see that with Link's picture, though. Like I said, that part looks precisely what I'd suspect that room would look like from the outside.
Actually, we do when it comes to the view ports now in extended cut.
That would be one long elevator ride lol
I think that Shep arrived almost directly below the platform where we meet the Catalyst. I'm guessing that in the whole TIM sequence the wards were moved so you could see them all around Shep, for cinematic reasons. From where Shep arrives he shouldn't be able to see the Ward cities, he should be level with the Presidium ring. You shouldn't be able to see the wards from that location, but obviously it'd be a lot less cool to look at if you couldn't so I can't fault the devs for doing so. Assuming I'm right, I mean.
So - to use KrrKs' method - you're saying Shep's head points in a Blue direction? That's where the Crucible is, it docks at the bottom of the Citadel. So the elevator would take you towards it.
Yes, you are correct - Shep is right at the top end of the base of the tower.
Still doesn't make sense to me, but that picture above makes me want to bring up something else I always thought was funny.
How is the tower suddenly the barrel of a gun? lol, I get it's all synthetic and the entire place runs on Mass Effect energy but it always seemed silly to me that the council chamber would be used as the output of a gun when the Crucible fires its final shot towards the other Mass Relays.
EDIT: you know what, I think you are right after all TMA Live. I just realized it. It could very well be. I just thought about how short the elevator ride was from the presidium in ME1 to the top of the tower and I guess it's not that far fetched actually. Both scenarios are still possible though.
EDIT: you know what, I think you are right after all TMA Live. I just realized it. It could very well be. I just thought about how short the elevator ride was from the presidium in ME1 to the top of the tower and I guess it's not that far fetched actually. Both scenarios are still possible though.
To be fair that elevator ride could be much longer. It's nothing but a glorified loading screen transition. It can last longer on console than on PC.
Hell, on console's the elevator on the Normandy goes so slow Shepard could probably sprint across the ship and back by time the doors open. So I'm not sure loading times should be indicative of actual in-lore travel time.
Still doesn't make sense to me, but that picture above makes me want to bring up something else I always thought was funny.
How is the tower suddenly the barrel of a gun? lol, I get it's all synthetic and the entire place runs on Mass Effect energy but it always seemed silly to me that the council chamber would be used as the output of a gun when the Crucible fires its final shot towards the other Mass Relays.
I think it's another change the Catalyst made the Citadel in order to make it happen. Makes you wondering if who ever designed or re-designed the crucible did so knowing it needed the Reaper AI to change the Citadel. Or if the Citadel was even changeable.
Still doesn't make sense to me, but that picture above makes me want to bring up something else I always thought was funny.
How is the tower suddenly the barrel of a gun? lol, I get it's all synthetic and the entire place runs on Mass Effect energy but it always seemed silly to me that the council chamber would be used as the output of a gun when the Crucible fires its final shot towards the other Mass Relays.
I think it's another change the Catalyst made the Citadel in order to make it happen. Makes you wondering if who ever designed or re-designed the crucible did so knowing it needed the Reaper AI to change the Citadel. Or if the Citadel was even changeable.
I'm not sure if a restructuring is necessary.
For all we know, the mass effect -fields forming the beam could just as well be conducted by the tower's outer hull alone.
I think it's another change the Catalyst made the Citadel in order to make it happen. Makes you wondering if who ever designed or re-designed the crucible did so knowing it needed the Reaper AI to change the Citadel. Or if the Citadel was even changeable.
...which makes you realize once again how thin the whole plot is with the Crucible. Even if it was originally designed by someone who was aware of the Citadel AI, such and such, how the hell did we build this entire thing and not know anything besides "It can release a large amount of energy" and not to mention those three arms it has which grabs the Citadel ring... I mean, how were they ever in doubt that the Citadel was the Catalyst, just judging by the size match on the blueprint?
Any way I see it ME3's entire plot just collapses under its own weight.
...which makes you realize once again how thin the whole plot is with the Crucible. Even if it was originally designed by someone who was aware of the Citadel AI, such and such, how the hell did we build this entire thing and not know anything besides "It can release a large amount of energy"
and not to mention those three arms it has which grabs the Citadel ring... I mean, how were they ever in doubt that the Citadel was the Catalyst, just judging by the size match on the blueprint?
Any way I see it ME3's entire plot just collapses under its own weight.
I'm not sure if a restructuring is necessary.
For all we know, the mass effect -fields forming the beam could just as well be conducted by the tower's outer hull alone.
I'm more of based "reconstructing" because we know for a fact the Citadel changes to work with the Crucible once it docks. Even changing into more of a star shape. And as past images show, there was no choice platforms before the crucible docked.
...which makes you realize once again how thin the whole plot is with the Crucible. Even if it was originally designed by someone who was aware of the Citadel AI, such and such, how the hell did we build this entire thing and not know anything besides "It can release a large amount of energy" and not to mention those three arms it has which grabs the Citadel ring... I mean, how were they ever in doubt that the Citadel was the Catalyst, just judging by the size match on the blueprint?
Any way I see it ME3's entire plot just collapses under its own weight.
There's actually an easy answers for that one. Catalyst was never something anyone though was suppose to be "found". We knew there was a missing part called the Catalyst, but the assumption I think was to find out what was the missing part, and build it. Not find some giant object that the Reapers haven't destroyed during the Prothean cycle. Especially since that cycle failed to use it. The Citadel also being a suppose Reaper creation also would've thrown anyone off the sent. And even if someone did think of it, they'd look at the ring on the Citadel, how the Citadel could attach to it, see the same images we saw before the crucible docked, and go "Yeah, unless the Citadel has some hidden functions, and changes in some way we don't know about (which ended up happening), this thing could never work with it".
So yeah, there you go.
Now about the Catalyst and the Crucible, I'll update this on the main page later when I get the time, but one fact we do know is that the Crucible possibly was once a device that had nothing to do the Catalyst. It was created to work as it's own independent thing, that sadly never worked. The Prothean VI tells us things. Eventually, "something from another cycle" took those plans, and adapted it to work for the Citadel. Whether this is true or not, we're not sure. But the Prothean VI is believes it. If true, I believe it was the Leviathans or the Catalyst itself that might've added the "adaption" to it, since it creations solutions it wants instead of just taking out the Reapers.
Whoever made adaptions to the crucible are not the same as those who came with the original design. After all, we know the Protheans. And we know they made their own changes. The Protheans are not "someone who we don't know". So it's possible whoever made the adaptions to the crucible to work with the citadel is someone we may know. But that is speculation.
That's not really an answer to the problem. The problem is that on our blueprint we have exact size estimates and clear instructions on how to build the Crucible and it comes with these 4 retractable arms that perfectly match up wih the size of the Citadel ring. I don't think there is any other superstructure in the galaxy that has that exact size and given how long our galactic government has existed it's pure stupidity that nobody even addresses that the ring and the Crucible arms are a match in the story.
We are looking for an unknown device called the catalyst in a desperate war for galactic survivial against giant killer machines and you're saying nobody working on the crucible, of all the scientists, engineers and theorists, have even thought about the Citadel matching with... "whatever those 4 arms are supposed to attach to"? It's pure stupidity from the plot; from the characters; from the collaboration between artists and writers at Bioware.
Even if the scientists, engineers and others figured the microphone attaches to the Citadel, they wouldn't know the Citadel would be the catalyst. It could be just another part that was needed aside from the catalyst that no one knew about.
I don't buy it for the fact that while Shepard is out there doing what he does the Crucible team is at full workload and full force building it and trying to make as much sense of it as possible, but they miss such an obvious connection while they know they are missing the last part of the key.
They don't know what the Catalyst is that's the thing. So why not explore the idea that the Citadel obviously fits?
I completely get your argument, "it's hard to find something you're not looking for" but it's weak in this context and doesn't excuse anything IMO. The Crucible team should've picked up on it and given the situation in the galaxy there is no reason why they hadn't at least tried to piece it together when they're under so much time pressure.
Which is why, the only way it makes sense is if the Crucible was conceptualized simultaniously with the Reapers' creation... whether it was by the Leviathans or some other organic race who oversaw the creation of the Citadel and the Catalyst from the sidelines and knew what they were.
I'm pretty sure that the Crucible's plans came from one source. Otherwise I can't imagine a device with additions from all kinds of species being "elegant". I also don't think that early cycles would've wasted time with making additions to its design if there was no indication of its capabilities which have to come from somewhere
Doesn't Vendetta say that each cycle added to it?
Doesn't Vendetta say that each cycle added to it?
It does say that. I just have trouble imagining it
Scientist 1: "Well, crap, this doesn't work"
Scientist 2: "Let's put more of the stuff in the... the thing that stuff goes in."
I'm talking about early cycles, where the Crucible is far from completion and the Citadel's inclusion was not planned yet.
Unless there was a certain project description and outline of device's capabilities, no one would've worked on it.
Doesn't Vendetta say that each cycle added to it?
Yes it does... which is kind of a problem for the story.
The Crucible is kind of a plot hole in itself, isn't it? You wouldn't know them and there isn't time to explain. That about sums it up right there. Could have been that civilization that was made into the reaper that was orbiting that brown dwarf. S P e c U l A t i O n S
Why does the word "speculations" cause me instant headaches now?
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