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[The Arbiter]

Greetings! first of all I want all of you to know that I started the Mass Effect triology only a month ago and finished it last week. Of all the three Mass Effect I find Mass Effect 2 the most enjoyable and polished.

 

So to the main issue -> during the final moments of the game in Mass Effect 3 it was revealed to shepard by the Prothean AI that the Citadel has moved locations to Earth because the illusive man gave info to the reapers... how the hell does this work? did the illusive man single handedly take over the citadel? there are hundreds of thousands if not millions of organized resistance in the citadel! what the hell happened to c-sec? where's the council? (last contact was after Thessia) where the hell is captain bailey? where is the organized civilian militia? I did all the side quests and not a single reinforcement in the Citadel? Illusive man just waltz right in and single handedly took over the station?! if the Reapers did acknowledged the info by illusive man they would have been met with severe opposition or heavy resistance in the Citadel... it would be STALINGRAD with snipers all over the place and 95% of men and women and alien species armed to the teeth... but for no apparent reason the citadel just magically moved and everyone vanished? did the catalyst gassed them to death like in Auschwitz? where is everyone? if they where there then there would be no need for Shepard to give his or her life trying to reach that beam and activating the crucible since... there are hundreds of thousands or millions of individual in that station willing to give hell upon the Reapers. What the hell happened?

 

I don't want to disrespect EA or Bioware but it feels like the game was rushed... the combat and acting, phasing is superb but the last moments in my own humble oppinion just blew it for me. I don't mind Shepard getting killed or severely wounded but it wouldn't have gone down to that if someone in the citadel where in fact there where a lot of them in the citadel would have reacted... not a single distress call or organized opposition nothing... the citadel just moved... if it had moved that would have alarmed everyone inside it. Certainly the Reapers would not fire upon the Citadel since that is where their big boss resides and if they decide to drop shock troops into the citadel it would take days or months or even years of battle inside that area even the Reapers took Centuries to wipe out the Protheans

 

Anyone?

[Kynare]

No one really wonders how the Citadel moved. If it wasn't physically pushed by the Reaper fleets (unlikely) or single-handedly controlled by TIM (as you said, also unlikely), then it moved itself. Judging from that alone, if they had been able to determine that the master control resided in the Citadel beforehand, they would have had a better target to direct their fleets.

That could have been another ending entirely. Radio Admiral Hackett, tell him that the Crucible is a no-go, their master control resides in the Citadel and have him direct the fleets and blow the Citadel to hell, even with the residents and Shepard still inside. Perhaps that could have been the high EMS Reject ending. If you took the time to gather every asset you could in-game, maybe they could have caused sufficient damage and rendered the Reapers defenseless enough to prepare a counterattack. Reaper ground fleets would still be abound and the war would rage on for years, maybe decades, but they would still have a fighting chance.

Better effort than Shepard standing around like a dope watching everyone get killed, anyway.

Oh well. Plot holes.

[Display Name Owner]

The Reapers moved the Citadel, not TIM. Depending on how they did it I guess they wouldn't even have had to invade the Presidium and Wards at all, just towed it along so to speak. I dunno. More likely they just swarmed it with husk monsters, and given that even Cerberus with their limited numbers managed to storm the Presidium it's easy to imagine the Reapers destroyed any fleets and took the place over quite easily.

 

The bigger question is why the hell they didn't just do it in the first place. I tend to rationalise that they just left it alone to lull the races into a false sense of security and keep their actions predictable, but still...

[The Arbiter]

 

No one really wonders how the Citadel moved. If it wasn't physically pushed by the Reaper fleets (unlikely), then it moved itself. Judging from that alone, if they had been able to determine that the master control resided in the Citadel beforehand, they would have had a better target to direct their fleets.

 

That could have been another ending entirely. Radio Admiral Hackett, tell him that the Crucible is a no-go, their master control resides in the Citadel and have him direct the fleets and blow the Citadel to hell, even with the residents and Shepard still inside. Perhaps that could have been the high EMS Reject ending. If you took the time to gather every asset you could in-game, maybe they could have caused sufficient damage and rendered the Reapers defenseless enough to prepare a counterattack.

 

Better effort than Shepard standing around like a dope watching everyone get killed, anyway.

 

Oh well. Plot holes.

 

Previsely... or c-sec informing the fleet and shepard about the master control in the citadel calling in shepard for help in a final battle in the citadel again like ine Mass Effect 1 but this time a freaking huge battle while everyone escapes... after everyone escapes or is rescued including the commander a go signal can be ordered to blow the citadel to hell. Wonder why they choose this current ending... when I was teleported into the citadel with those harvested bodies I was looking for pockets of resistance or c-sec or militia... but nothing... only me, Anderson and illusive man.... what the hell

[The Arbiter]

The Reapers moved the Citadel, not TIM. Depending on how they did it I guess they wouldn't even have had to invade the Presidium and Wards at all, just towed it along so to speak. I dunno. More likely they just swarmed it with husk monsters, and given that even Cerberus with their limited numbers managed to storm the Presidium it's easy to imagine the Reapers destroyed any fleets and took the place over quite easily.

 

The bigger question is why the hell they didn't just do it in the first place. I tend to rationalise that they just left it alone to lull the races into a false sense of security and keep their actions predictable, but still...

It wouldn't be that easy for the reapers even Palaven was a nightmare for the Reapers. It would be Stalingrad on Citadel just like in Mass Effect 1 but only worse since everyone is prepared to fight and die in the Citadel this time around... not even a single distress call... it would have been epic if the fighting took place on Earth then a distress call in Citadel going into the beam for a final push with everyone inside trying to escape and radioing the fleet to blow the citadel up

[CptFalconPunch]

did the illusive man single handedly take over the citadel?

 

Well, I know man, how on earth did that guy take over the Citadel, its crazy.

This is a big plot hole.

For I have no idea how he did it.

[Linkenski]

We don't know how and admittedly there's some rushed writing here or they just purposefully left it vague so the answer their audience might form in their heads makes sense to them.

My take is that the Illusive Man since he's controlled by the reapers is used as a messenger to them, and since the citadel reaper tech and basically the same technology used in the mass relays, the reapers can somehow move the whole thing physically.

It's pretty lame considering earth is kinda bleh, and since they used the whole "the citadel is changing" idea at the end they might as well have taken the final battle to a completely different citadel anyway.

[The Arbiter]

We don't know how and admittedly there's some rushed writing here or they just purposefully left it vague so the answer their audience might form in their heads makes sense to them.

My take is that the Illusive Man since he's controlled by the reapers is used as a messenger to them, and since the citadel reaper tech and basically the same technology used in the mass relays, the reapers can somehow move the whole thing physically.

It's pretty lame considering earth is kinda bleh, and since they used the whole "the citadel is changing" idea at the end they might as well have taken the final battle to a completely different citadel anyway.

Yeah... the battle should have been in Earth then all the way up to the Citadel trying to rescue everyone out and destroying it by Hacket's fleet... would have been an epic finale... Battle for the Citadel... just like what Garrus have always said " just like old times"... but when I got to the teleporter expecting reinforcements or a huge battle between C-sec, civilian militia, combined galactic forces and mercenaries I was only greeted by illusive man and I was like... where the f*** is everyone?

[The Arbiter]

It is like a missed opportunity.

 

Participate in the final battle for Citadel > rescue as much as you can > protect the crucible at all cost against reaper forces in the Citadel... then choose to bail out while Hacket blows up the citadel, or synthesis and control etc. Would have been more clear

[DirtySHISN0]

I'm going to go with they pushed it. The residents close the arms when in danger. Sovereign class reapers are 2km long, the citadel is what? 37km? Total number of reapers unknown. Don't really know if it can use the relays either.

 

They pushed it.

[The Arbiter]

I'm going to go with they pushed it. The residents close the arms when in danger. Sovereign class reapers are 2km long, the citadel is what? 37km? Total number of reapers unknown. Don't really know if it can use the relays either.

 

They pushed it.

Either way... that should have alerted everyone inside and would have mounted a resistance and contacted for support... but all we got was Shepard up the citadel having a tea party with Anderson and Illusive man

[Vazgen]

Either way... that should have alerted everyone inside and would have mounted a resistance and contacted for support... but all we got was Shepard up the citadel having a tea party with Anderson and Illusive man

That area of the Citadel is not known to the residents. And the only way there is through the beam.

[The Arbiter]

That area of the Citadel is not known to the residents. And the only way there is through the beam.

I doubt that. They would most certainly find a way that's where Shepard comes in

[von uber]

Explain it? CAPS LOCK.

[themikefest]

The Citadel has engines according to Barla Von in ME1 

http://youtu.be/VrSYhSnmkoQ?t=6m20s

 

I wouldn't be surprised if indoctrinated people were able to move the Citadel to Earth. The Citadel is a relay

 

I like to know where TIM is located when Shepard is talking with him while on Chronos

[StarcloudSWG]

Of course the Citadel has engines. It has to stabilize itself to keep from tumbling through space. That they're large enough, powerful enough, and well-distributed enough to move it to the Serpent Nebula relay is the surprise.

[DanishGambit]

I assumed that it was either the Keepers that took command of the Citadel through lots of backdoors or it was some kind of remote control. A lot of the people working at the Citadel claimed that they didn't even know how it worked and since they didn't know about that giant statue being a beacon to Ilos or about the fact that the Citadel was practically a weapon it's not too hard to believe that the people there never had any real control.

 

The Reapers could've been aware of the plan through TIM since they could still spy on the guy even if they couldn't control everything he did.

[JasonShepard]

I'd assume a similar method to ME1 and Saren. Have TIM, vamped up with his domination tech implants, ensure that Citadel Control can't close the arms. Have a Reaper access the Citadel tower, just like Sovereign, and take direct control (since the Prothean hack is presumably still in the way of anything remote). Pilot Citadel to Earth.

 

Presumably they couldn't have done it earlier because they needed another Saren - an indoctrinated agent capable of preventing the Wards from closing. TIM fulfilled that purpose once he'd been implanted. If the Cereberus Coup had succeeded, I think we'd have seen the Reapers claiming the Citadel much earlier in the game.

[Kabooooom]

The Citadel was most likely taken over from the inside by millions of indoctrinated slaves that were snuck in as refugees.

Javik tells you that this is what the Reapers do when they allow refugees to gather. There's no reason to think that this cycle is any different.

There are little hints about various things like this scattered throughout the game. If you actually pay attention to them and try to connect the dots, a lot starts making sense.

[The Arbiter]

So we assume everyone in the Citadel gets indoctrinated when the illusive man attempted to enter the citadel via shuttle and everyone just rolled over and die without a single distress call or opposition or detection of the incoming shuttle? Even Earth and Palaven gave a fight to the reapers sh** even Mass Effect 1 in the Citadel. So It was useless for me to gather cerberus codes, automated turrets, organizing a militia, setting up surveillance in the first place if everyone in that place is dead anyway.

 

Assuming arguendo that some of the refugees became under instant control of the reapers... that's when I was expecting a major final battle to take place.... when Shepard stepped into that beam I was expecting a fire fight, survivors or anyone attempting to reach the catalyst instead I had a tea party with my 2 best friends

 

Cerberus and udina already attempted to cease control more so the reapers. Now I am not a dev and making video games are obviously difficult but it would have influenced or been a better plot for the ending or over all experience. Attack in citadel> enter citadel via beam> rescue survivors> Hold the line and protect Hacket's fleet while he positions the crucible> fight you way through the catalyst. Choose your ending. Destroy - radio hacket that his fleet needs to rape the citadel 10 minutes to get the hell out with your fellow survivors fighting your way through hordes of enemies. Synthesis and control - c-sec and the militia you gathered argues against you forcing you to kill them. Just my oppinion

[AlanC9]

So we assume everyone in the Citadel gets indoctrinated when the illusive man attempted to enter the citadel via shuttle and everyone just rolled over and die without a single distress call or opposition or detection of the incoming shuttle?

Ships were coming to and from the Citadel all the time. It's not like he'd have been towing an "I'm TIM" banner.

[The Arbiter]

Ships were coming to and from the Citadel all the time. It's not like he'd have been towing an "I'm TIM" banner.

He would have been interogated he is not solid snake or sam fisher that is why he attempted to capture the citadel earlier but failed. I still have no explanation how he gain control single handely... maybe the indoctrinated refugees made sense but that would trigger a final battle which unfortunately I did not experience and I was expecting it

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

It is obvious. The Illusive Man flew onto The Citadel and just showed everyone his awesomeness. He told the Council, "I am aware that the situation on your worlds has grown desperate. I have done horrible experiments in the name of science, and I have been able to isolate the Reaper control signal. We have been able to coopt the signal to control groups of their troops. I am convinced that the Crucible will allow me to control the Reapers and end this war. I need to take control of the Citadel and take it to Earth."

 

Councilor Sparatus: "Who told you that you need to do that?"

 

TIM: "You wouldn't know them, and there isn't time to explain."

 

Councilor Valern: "Fine. Can he take the Citadel?"

 

Councilors: "Yes."

 

And thus The Illusive Man piloted The Citadel to Earth.

[Asharad Hett]

Another question for the OP:  How did the Prothean VI know that the Citadel had been moved to Earth?

[The Arbiter]

It is obvious. The Illusive Man flew onto The Citadel and just showed everyone his awesomeness. He told the Council, "I am aware that the situation on your worlds has grown desperate. I have done horrible experiments in the name of science, and I have been able to isolate the Reaper control signal. We have been able to coopt the signal to control groups of their troops. I am convinced that the Crucible will allow me to control the Reapers and end this war. I need to take control of the Citadel and take it to Earth."

 

Councilor Sparatus: "Who told you that you need to do that?"

 

TIM: "You wouldn't know them, and there isn't time to explain."

 

Councilor Valern: "Fine. Can he take the Citadel?"

 

Councilors: "Yes."

 

And thus The Illusive Man piloted The Citadel to Earth.

That is quite good it could have been an addition to the game and depending on your paragon or rengade points you need to gain back support from the council either way a major battle would still take place and the militia or c-sec would be fragmented this time