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[o Ventus]

Doesn't mean that they should be excluded from this game. I mean, Imshael, who IS a Desire demon should have reverted back to his true from of that Desire Demon. 

Including them just for the sake of t*tties is what the Witcher would do. There's no reason to have any Desire demons. Even Imshael was just a cameo, his role could have been filled by any other demon.

[Ashagar]

 Imshael appearance is his true form, he just happens to self identify more with a male form than a female form unlike many other desire demons. If anything that he naturally takes such a human form shows how truly extremely dangerous he is.

[o Ventus]

Now you are being ridiculous.... I rather have them for the sake of lore wise. 

And, for the third time, there's no reason to have Desire demons in DAI. None of the plotlines involve them, nor would make any difference if they did.

[o Ventus]

And for the third time, There has to be a reason for it... maybe Bioware is going in the wrong direction just like Morrigan predicted in Witch Hunt. remember her words? "Change is coming to the world. Many fear change and will fight it with every fiber of their being."

 

There doesn't have to be a reason for anything? You really think Bioware's writers sat around a table and said to themselves "okay, how can we NOT show Desire demons in this game?" as opposed to just writing a story that didn't involve desire demons?

 

There are also no Hunger or Sloth demons, but for some reason I doubt you'd say that they're avoiding offending fat and lazy people.

[o Ventus]

Given 4 years on this game that they worked on, i wouldn't be surprised it was just as you described it.

4 years means nothing, considering that the writing is usually one of the first things done.

[o Ventus]

 

And also the art team who designs them into the game, The same can be said for the boss at the end of the Fade (and Imshael is a boss, too). And surely other "single encounters" but keep finding excuses instead of going for the most obvious answer, if you're happy with it.

 

The Fear demon you fight in the Fade isn't the only Fear demon you fight in the game, so that isn't a single encounter. Imshael is also known to be an avid shape shifter.

 

But please, keep digging for a reason. Maybe you'll get to China.

[o Ventus]

Oh please that's the lamest crap i have ever heard. You don't even know the true reason why they were excluded and only using that crap as a poor excuse. So why don't YOU keep digging for a reason. Maybe you'll get to China.

 

I'm not digging for anything, I've actually been giving explanations. You're the one making this into an ordeal.

 

You really think Bioware didn't include Desire demons in a game that already has full female frontal nudity because of the way they looked? What part of "there's no reason they need to be in DAI" is escaping your brain?

[Jaron Oberyn]

I thought they said it was due to there not being a male one yet, and that it was supposed to reflect the persons gender preference?

[Mihura]

Hahahhahaahhhahah no.

Liana Kerzner is maybe the other side of the coin when it comes to Anita Sarkeesian or what people accuse Anita to be. I mean I think she did not even played the game at all. I specially like her complains about Cole, less female fanservice and no old aged females in DA:I. Hilarious stuff. 
 

 

The thing is, game developers don't really listen to right wing ranters. Right-wing zealots are seen as insane, conservative bigots attempting to oppress through xenophobia. But a radical, self-hating feminist influence is starting to be felt in AAA game development, and there's a direct line between that and Feminist Frequency. For better or worse, Feminist Frequency as a series has affected change in gaming culture. My concern is that there's more "for worse" in that change than any of us wants to admit.

 

Consider, if you will, the connection when David Gaider, the lead writer of Dragon Age Inquisition, actively defends Anita Sarkeesian; Dragon Age Inquisition then displays a narrowing in the types of women it depicts compared to previous Dragon Age games despite the overall scale of Inquisition being larger. The Dragon Age franchise used to be something I considered a gold standard title regarding equal inclusion of well-written female characters. I can't say that anymore because it's narrowed female gender expression.

 

For example, it's important to have female villains as well as heroes. However, the desire demons of Dragon Age have vanished from view, despite being the only visibly female demons in the canon. Granted, the demons have always supposed to have been genderless, but they're also reflections of heightened emotional states from the mortal world. If they'd made over the desire demons the way they redid the sloth/despair demons to make all demons amorphous blobs, that would have been one thing. Instead, however, they kept the vaguely masculine-looking pride demons and just removed the desire demons from visual participation.

 

Meanwhile, the character of Cole, Inquisition's anthropomorphised spirit of compassion, is gendered male. This is despite compassion being traditionally seen as a feminine trait. As awesome a character as Cole is, he's male... just because. There's no compelling reason he couldn't have been female. It's stuff like this that makes the changes to Dragon Age lore seem less like a logical refining of the game and more a reactive change to Feminist Frequency's brand of public pressure... and trust me, it kills me to say that. Overall, I love the work of David Gaider and his team.

 

Heroic older women in combat roles have also been almost wiped out in Dragon Age Inquisition, and while there were constant references to the Iron Bull being fat, apparently Thedas contains absolutely no overweight women. It's absurd that in a realm of gay-positive, trans-positive messaging, Big Beautiful Women still don't exist. Inquisition is not a more realistic, feminist-friendly game than its predecessors because it minimized cleavage. It's just less diverse.

 

Here is the link for that article.

Edit: The only thing I can agree with, is the need for more female body types, muscle, fat...etc and more female companions, the rest is just BS.
 

[Ophir147]

I imagine that the amount of bare flesh on desire demons' models combined with the glistening skin of all of the Frostbite models meant that if they tried to put a desire demon in game it would blind the player (or at least damage some retinas).

[Panda]

I think people are reading too much into it. Personally I'd have preferred Bioware having two models of desire demon, one that was female-looking and one male-looking. But maybe Bioware wanted desire demons to express all desires, not just sexual one's and thus changed design cause Imshael (I think that was the name) is in the game and he's desire demon so they weren't completely cut.

[Lumix19]

if that were true then why did they bother making that lame Imshael quest if he wasn't going to be that Desire Demon?

There are clues that Imshael is much more important then you give him credit for, not to mention his role as one of the Forbidden Ones. Besides Imshael has always been male, I'm sure that's how he was represented in the Masked Empire. Also are you seriously asking why they put a desire demon in the game if it wasn't going to be in the form of a naked female?

[o Ventus]

if that were true then why did they bother making that lame Imshael quest if he wasn't going to be that Desire Demon? Like you said a waste of manpower and cash for a crappy quest that's not needed.

HE IS KNOWN TO BE AN AVID SHAPESHIFTER.

 

How can I put this in more clear terms? HE IS KNOWN TO TRANSFORM THE WAY HE LOOKS.

[o Ventus]

Hahahhahaahhhahah no.

Liana Kerzner is maybe the other side of the coin when it comes to Anita Sarkeesian or what people accuse Anita to be. I mean I think she did not even played the game at all. I specially like her complains about Cole, less female fanservice and no old aged females in DA:I. Hilarious stuff. 
 

 

Here is the link for that article.

Edit: The only thing I can agree with, is the need for more female body types, muscle, fat...etc and more female companions, the rest is just BS.
 

 

It's funny because Cassandra (one of the most heroic and beloved people in Thedas) is in her late 30's, nearing middle-age. She isn't a super young. Leliana and Morrigan are both around the same age. Miranda is 36 in ME3 (though it might not mean as much for Miranda, since humans live to 150 in ME, and Miranda will live even longer than normal people in that).

[Mihura]

It's funny because Cassandra (one of the most heroic and beloved people in Thedas) is in her late 30's, nearing middle-age. She isn't a super young. Leliana and Morrigan are both around the same age. Miranda is 36 in ME3 (though it might not mean as much for Miranda, since humans live to 150 in ME, and Miranda will live even longer than normal people in that).

 

I agree with you actually, her whole article is a bait for people that hate Anita but have no sense of critical thinking.

There is also Flemeth, Clarel, Mother Giselle, The Divine, Celene, Fiona and so on.... the only thing I can say is that, they all die or can die. Well not Mother Giselle.