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[ThomasBlaine]

Title says it all.

[Taki17]

No. Hawke's mother is a Free Marcher, but he/she was born in Ferelden thus he/she is considered Fereldan. The people in Kirkwall call him/her Fereldan as well, despite his/her Free Marcher heritage. Same goes for mage Warden, whose family probably lived longer in Ferelden.

[Kantr]

The Mage warden's mother is Hawkes mothers cousin.

[Lord Raijin]

The Amell Warden was born in Kirkwall, and when he/she showed signs of having magic talents at such a young age the Templars took him/her away and sent the Warden to the Ferelden's Circle of Magi.

 

“On a cliff overlooking the dark waters of Lake Calenhad stands the tower fortress that is home to the Circle of Magi. This tower is the only place in Ferelden where mages may study their art among others of their kind. Within the high stone walls, the Circle practices its magic and trains apprentices in the proper use of their powers. But the Circle Tower is as much a prison as a refuge; the ever vigilant templars of the Chantry watch over all mages, constantly alert for any sign of corruption. This gilded cage is the only world you know. Found to be sensitive to magic at a young age, you were torn from your family and grafted here as an apprentice. Now, that apprenticeship is nearly over and all that remains is the final test: the Harrowing.”

 

So technically the Warden is a Free Marcher by birth.

 

The Champion of Kirkwall, Hawke, on the other hand was born in Ferelden.

[Cyrus Amell]

Actually, it is never explicitly stated that the Amell Warden was born in Kirkwall, his or her mother could have married a Ferelden Noble or Merchant. What with the staggeringly reliable mailing system seen in Dragon Age, I imagine Leandra Amell would have been kept informed of the fate of her cousin's children. I wish they would have clarified this part but I can think of no other reason that the Amell Warden might have been born in Denerim, which is one of the lines of dialogue you can give to the Crazy Hermit in the woods when he is questioning you. 

[Bob Walker]

Actually, it is never explicitly stated that the Amell Warden was born in Kirkwall, his or her mother could have married a Ferelden Noble or Merchant. What with the staggeringly reliable mailing system seen in Dragon Age, I imagine Leandra Amell would have been kept informed of the fate of her cousin's children. I wish they would have clarified this part but I can think of no other reason that the Amell Warden might have been born in Denerim, which is one of the lines of dialogue you can give to the Crazy Hermit in the woods when he is questioning you. 

 

So true, everything could fall apart in Ferelden or Kirkwall, but the postal service still stands proudly and efficiently, even during blights, revolutions and civil wars.

[Obadiah]

That should be an Origin for the next game: Ferelden Postal Worker.

[o Ventus]

The Amell Warden was born in Kirkwall, and when he/she showed signs of having magic talents at such a young age the Templars took him/her away and sent the Warden to the Ferelden's Circle of Magi.

 

“On a cliff overlooking the dark waters of Lake Calenhad stands the tower fortress that is home to the Circle of Magi. This tower is the only place in Ferelden where mages may study their art among others of their kind. Within the high stone walls, the Circle practices its magic and trains apprentices in the proper use of their powers. But the Circle Tower is as much a prison as a refuge; the ever vigilant templars of the Chantry watch over all mages, constantly alert for any sign of corruption. This gilded cage is the only world you know. Found to be sensitive to magic at a young age, you were torn from your family and grafted here as an apprentice. Now, that apprenticeship is nearly over and all that remains is the final test: the Harrowing.”

 

So technically the Warden is a Free Marcher by birth.

 

The Champion of Kirkwall, Hawke, on the other hand was born in Ferelden.

 

... ?

 

Nowhere does that state that the Warden Mage is from Kirkwall. You completely invented that. And if the Warden Mage were from the Free Marches, why would they be sent to the Fereldan Circle? There are Circles IN the Free Marches.

[o Ventus]

So true, everything could fall apart in Ferelden or Kirkwall, but the postal service still stands proudly and efficiently, even during blights, revolutions and civil wars.

Neither rain nor sleet nor darkspawn...

 

... Nor bandits, nor packs of roaming bears, nor demons.

[sleeping heart]

... ?

 

Nowhere does that state that the Warden Mage is from Kirkwall. You completely invented that. And if the Warden Mage were from the Free Marches, why would they be sent to the Fereldan Circle? There are Circles In Kirkwall.

In DA2 Leandra states that Revka (the Human Mage wardens mother) had multiple children all with magical power, and they where taken by the chantry and relocated all over Thedas. so technically, the warden was probably born in Kirkwall.

[Bob Walker]

Karl (Anders' friend) was also relocated. But he was already an adult, I guess.

[Kantr]

If Hawke asks their mother about the family history after completing Birthright, Leandra will tell Hawke some of the family background.
She will reveal that Revka had multiple children, and that all were proven to have magical talent, and taken by the Chantry to separate Circles in Thedas.

If the player imports a Dragon Age: Origins save with a human mage origin, the Hero of Ferelden is revealed to be one of Revka's children, and therefore Hawke's second cousin.

[Lord Raijin]

... ?

 

Nowhere does that state that the Warden Mage is from Kirkwall. You completely invented that. And if the Warden Mage were from the Free Marches, why would they be sent to the Fereldan Circle? There are Circles IN the Free Marches.

 

Uh no. I didn't invented anything. The Amell family is noble family in the Free marches so it is only common sense that the Warden was born in Kirkwall.

 

Why would the Amell Warden be sent to the Fereldan Circle? It's rather simple. The Chantry isn't known for their high family valuables. Lord Aristide's niece, Revka, Produced more children who later on all developed magical talents, and all were taken to the Circle. According to Leandra those children was taken by the Chantry to separate Circles in Thedas.

 

http://dragonage.wik...iki/Revka_Amell

 

 

Edited: Looks like it was already explained by other members here.

[Bob Walker]

Yeah, that's right. Did they say why he was relocated?

 

Vivienne also talks about being in the same Circle as me (Ostwick), but left for Montsimmard early on.

 

If I recall correctly, Karl was relocated because Kirkwall Circle needed more mages (perhaps because they needed specific talents and/or mages to specific tasks).

[Lord Raijin]

If I recall correctly, Karl was relocated because Kirkwall Circle needed more mages (perhaps because they needed specific talents and/or mages to specific tasks).

 

http://dragonage.wik...iki/Karl_Thekla

 

Your recall is correct

 

Karl spent many years at Kinloch Hold, the Fereldan Circle of Magi. He was transferred to the Gallows when Kirwall's Circle required new talent.

[Sifr]

Uh no. I didn't invented anything. The Amell family is noble family in the Free marches so it is only common sense that the Warden was born in Kirkwall.

 

Why would the Amell Warden be sent to the Fereldan Circle? It's rather simple. The Chantry isn't known for their high family valuables. Lord Aristide's niece, Revka, Produced more children who later on all developed magical talents, and all were taken to the Circle. According to Leandra those children was taken by the Chantry to separate Circles in Thedas.

 

It's also entirely possible that Lord Amell was the one to arrange it so that the children would be sent outside of Kirkwall, in order to spare the family any further scandal? The codex mentions that they lost out on taking the Viscouncy to Dumar when Revka was discovered to have mage childen, so having a couple of Amells in the Gallows serving as a constant and bitter reminder of what they lost out on, as well as providing a ton of political fodder for their rivals, probably wouldn't sit well with them?

 

While Revka could have been living outside of Kirkwall, the codex on the Amell family in DA2 and Leandra's comments seem to suggest that she lived in the city and that Leandra knew her? Which suggests that the Amell Warden being a Marcher would be the most likely explanation?

 

And I'm kinda amused that a Fereldan becomes the Champion of Kirkwall, while a Kirkwaller becomes Hero of Ferelden.

[TheChosenOne]

 
And I'm kinda amused that a Fereldan becomes the Champion of Kirkwall, while a Kirkwaller becomes Hero of Ferelden.

It's the little things that makes DA great

Also, to be fair, The human Mage warden lived in Fereldan since he/she was a child. I would consider the warden as Fereldan

[Sifr]

It's the little things that makes DA great

Also, to be fair, The human Mage warden lived in Fereldan since he/she was a child. I would consider the warden as Fereldan

 

True, as Viv says, nationality really doesn't matter much when you're in a Circle? The Amell Warden might be Marcher-born, but they've been in Ferelden long enough to perhaps think of themselves as one, or not bother correcting people who mistake them for a native?

 

Of course, we see the reverse with Leliana. She was raised in Orlais, has an Orlesian accent, Orlesian values and tastes and is very adept at the Orlesian national past-time of The Game, but she was born in Ferelden, is of Fereldan-descent and considers herself Fereldan first and foremost.

[In Exile]

Uh no. I didn't invented anything. The Amell family is noble family in the Free marches so it is only common sense that the Warden was born in Kirkwall.

Why would the Amell Warden be sent to the Fereldan Circle? It's rather simple. The Chantry isn't known for their high family valuables. Lord Aristide's niece, Revka, Produced more children who later on all developed magical talents, and all were taken to the Circle. According to Leandra those children was taken by the Chantry to separate Circles in Thedas.

http://dragonage.wik...iki/Revka_Amell


Edited: Looks like it was already explained by other members here.

They might also do it to avoid the issue you might get with Trevelyan (if you play it that way) with the family using its resources to make the Circle more accommodating.

[In Exile]

True, as Viv says, nationality really doesn't matter much when you're in a Circle? The Amell Warden might be Marcher-born, but they've been in Ferelden long enough to perhaps think of themselves as one, or not bother correcting people who mistake them for a native?

Of course, we see the reverse with Leliana. She was raised in Orlais, has an Orlesian accent, Orlesian values and tastes and is very adept at the Orlesian national past-time of The Game, but she was born in Ferelden, is of Fereldan-descent and considers herself Fereldan first and foremost.

Part of that I'm sure is that Orlais won't ever let her forget it. They're not exactly a melting pot culture.

[Silfren]

Sifr, on 08 Mar 2015 - 01:12 AM, said:

True, as Viv says, nationality really doesn't matter much when you're in a Circle? The Amell Warden might be Marcher-born, but they've been in Ferelden long enough to perhaps think of themselves as one, or not bother correcting people who mistake them for a native?

Of course, we see the reverse with Leliana. She was raised in Orlais, has an Orlesian accent, Orlesian values and tastes and is very adept at the Orlesian national past-time of The Game, but she was born in Ferelden, is of Fereldan-descent and considers herself Fereldan first and foremost.

Part of that I'm sure is that Orlais won't ever let her forget it. They're not exactly a melting pot culture.

 

I think it's more that Ferelden won't let her forget it, because she is so obviously Orlesian in all the aforementioned ways - and also, she was born in Orlais, not Ferelden - which, frankly, makes it rather odd that she claims to consider herself a Fereldan at all.  She's Orlesian to the core.

 

 

ETA: Sorry about the botched quoting.  No way to fix it, apparently.