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[Captmorgan72]

In every play through so far I have always been courteous to Solas and befriended him. My current Inquisitor has preserved the Templar order, became a Templar herself and is romancing Cullen. Whenever I speak to Solas his words are filled with venom, he obviously hates me. I asked him to tell me more about himself and he snaps at me telling me, "why so your Templars can hunt down the apostate mage when this is all over? No, I will stay and help the Inquisition but my life is my own." Solas's intentions are not to help the Inquisition but to retrieve his orb. He is using the Inquisition for his own agenda. All the death and destruction brought on by Corypheus  can be laid at the feet of Solas. Dorian and Viv are now my default mages, I leave Solas back at Skyhold now. He served his purpose for the Inquisition by leading us to Skyhold, now he is of no use to us. 

[Han Yolo]

The approval system is a bit wonky. I restore the templars and take in the wardens and Solas calls me a thuggish brute even though I've been helping everyone and their grandma by placing their flowers and fetching their rings and medicine and rams and being sweet and nice and what not. He just wasn't there to get the approval points.

So yeah, he can be a real dick. Even on the friendship path. I mean, who wants to hear 'ya know, yer ppl are shite but you, I like'.

Still, while he certainly tries to get his orb back, I believe he wants the Inquisition to succeed in killing Cauliflower. Because he does care about people, when you look at what raises his approval.

[Laughing_Man]

You are right of course. How dare he not lick your feet after you walked all over his ideals and what he represents?

[ravenesse]

Hm... I think every companion uses the Inquisition for his / her own agenda.

Maybe except for the Inquisitor, who just stumbled in.

[Orian Tabris]

But... But...

 

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[Orian Tabris]

Hm... I think every companion uses the Inquisition for his / her own agenda.

Maybe except for the Inquisitor, who just stumbled in.

 

Some of them are good agendas, though. Like Blackwall's.

[TheDragonOfWhy]

"The enemy of my enemy is still my enemy"

I for one like Solas, which came as a surprise to me as A. I don't tend to like elfs, and B. I felt nothing for his character pre-release.
I like that Solas stays Solas and doesn't change his ideas and thoughts at the whims of the player.
But then I play Mage, so even I think that the OP is a monster.

[Korva]

Of course he has his own agenda and is "using" us to accomplish it, but I also think his friendship with the Inquisitor and various other companions is genuine ... even if he absolutely can be an arrogant arse at times, as Lady Layabout said. I do wish there was a way to call him out on that attitude.

 

At any rate, I rather liked the character from the start and was polite and curious towards him ... but I did not tailor my plot choices with his approval in mind, so it took a little longer for him to really open up to me after I fully allied with the templars. And I liked that, actually. Solas is a challenging character, and I felt it made more sense that our relationship didn't immediately jump from being strangers to close friendship but had to take several steps along the way while we "evaluated" each other, got to know and trust and rely on each other. I had the impression that once he did consider himself my friend, he trusted me enough to accept that I charted my own course carefully and thoughtfully, not blindly, even when it was not a course he would have taken. That made his friendship feel very valuable, in fact -- it wasn't a relationship based on being 100% in tune with each other, but on there being enough similarities for a solid foundation while still acknowledging and respecting each others' differences. A friendship that had its strength tested and confirmed, and as a result was a rare source of certainty in very uncertain and challenging times where so much depended on my character.

 

After Cassandra and Cole, Solas ended up as my third favourite companion, and along with those two he was the friend whose advice my Inquisitor valued the most.

[Gervaise]

I think you also have to realise that Solas is all over the place with his approval and your guess is as good as mine as to whom he actually considers "his People".    

 

I put Briala on the throne of Orlais and commented to him that I hoped it would help our People.     Solas was puzzled and also seemed slightly afraid that I had rumbled him, then the penny dropped "Oh you mean the elves."    "Yes," I thought "who did you mean?"

 

Solas is having a paddy about the Wardens, absolutely besides himself that we should do something about them.    I assume this is because he is concerned for all the poor spirits/demons that are going to be forcibly conscripted into Cory's army.    Don't worry I say, we'll help the demons.    Again, a look of blank incomprehension as to what I'm going on about before he recovers himself.    I must therefore assume that it is the old gods he is worried about.    Could also account for why he is so disapproving if you recount all the deeds of the Wardens in the past; because of course that involved slaying the arch demons.

 

Solas is also not about team work.    If he asks you what you intend doing with the well and you say you'll listen to your advisors, Solas disapproves.    If he asks you if you are sure about your time trip being real and you say, Dorian thinks so, Solas disapproves.    There was another instance (I can't remember the exact details) when you can base your assurance on your faith in the word of one of your companions, who is more of an expert than you, and Solas disapproves.     The only time he doesn't disapprove is if you listen to him.

 

Listen to what he says carefully (and choose the right dialogue) and his cover story constantly unravels and when challenged his stock answer is "I saw it in the Fade".    First run through I was romancing him so I tended not to notice, not to have selected the right dialogue, or just let it go.   Subsequent runs I have paid more attention and my main gripe is that you can't press him more forcibly on the issue, particularly after all that occurs at the Temple of Mythal.

 

I must admit that the first question I want answered is "Why did you give your orb to Corypheus?"   Flemeth's comment that he shouldn't have seemed an understatement in the extreme.

[turuzzusapatuttu]

You allied with Templars. You trained as a templar and romanced a former templar. The templars are the army of the same Chantry who invaded and destroyed the Dales and the few things that survived Elvhenan's fall. Solas is an elven apostate mage and

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an ancient Elven God

What an *******! Why doesn't he love you?

[Han Yolo]

Oh Sera... how I've missed you.

 

Oh. Wait.

 

Sadly, I can't compete with Sera's awesomeness. But then again, who can?

[Addai]

You're a mage hunter and you want the apostate mage to be your buddy?

[Lumix19]

"The enemy of my enemy is still my enemy"
I for one like Solas, which came as a surprise to me as A. I don't tend to like elfs, and B. I felt nothing for his character pre-release.
I like that Solas stays Solas and doesn't change his ideas and thoughts at the whims of the player.
But then I play Mage, so even I think that the OP is a monster.

Yes I too didn't really pay much attention to his character pre-release but I quite like him. You can almost feel a sort of kinship with him if you play an elf (except for some occasions where I felt my Inquisitor would be kind of insulted). I agree that the op is a monster too

[Felya87]

...yeahhh....because someone who value freedom of coice and thought over everything else must reaaaaaaly love someone who is for a order who take in kids without giving them a choice about what to do with their lives (children born in the Circle, or "given" by people like Eamon, so potentially "uncomfortable") and enslave them making them drugs addicts for live...of course while tryng sistematically to kill/enlave every mage around...yeah,

 

Solas says many times he is wary of templars. He is an apostate mage. Is only logical that he hate them.

[turuzzusapatuttu]

*snip*

 

If he asks you if you are sure about your time trip being real and you say, Dorian thinks so, Solas disapproves.

 

*snip*

 

Yeah, I've never understood that.

[TheRatPack55]

You're a mage hunter and you want the apostate mage to be your buddy?

 

Well, Dorian sure didn't mind, in fact he thought I smelled good...

 

But seriously, I simultaneously agree you shouldn't be able to make all your companions happy, considering your major decisions are, well, major, and have implications that are not so pleasant for some of them, but also that the approval system is slightly un-intuitive at times, and I often wonder why companions react the way they do. I just wish there were more conversation options after the bigger choices, so you could explore their points of view and talk it out.

[Addai]

Yeah, I've never understood that.

Dorian is a Tevinter, for one, and Solas approves of the PC thinking things through on their own. He'll give approval even to PCs he hates if they assert a thoughtful opinion. For instance in that conversation, he approves if the Inquisitor says "I'm a mage, I would know."

[Han Yolo]

You'll have to excuse my behaviour.

 

Your post just seemed like such a Sera thing to say... plus, the avatar... and the sig.

 

I'm in love with her. And you're right nobody can compete with that...

 

No need for excuses, I'm honoured

[Chiramu]

You're a mage hunter and you want the apostate mage to be your buddy?

 

Training in templar techniques doesn't make you a mage hunter. I think they need to make that distinction, oh wait, they have with Alistair already! Also there are finer details I can go into about needing to know how to be a hunter to be a mage hunter but whatever, Dragon Age doesn't deal with the fine details lol.

 

Black and white is all we are allowed to deal with. You are either with us or against us, there is no grey area in Dragon Age! 

[ManchesterUnitedFan1]

Some of them are good agendas, though. Like Blackwall's.

 

Also, Sera's is hardly objectionable.

[Addai]

Training in templar techniques doesn't make you a mage hunter. I think they need to make that distinction, oh wait, they have with Alistair already! Also there are finer details I can go into about needing to know how to be a hunter to be a mage hunter but whatever, Dragon Age doesn't deal with the fine details lol.
 
Black and white is all we are allowed to deal with. You are either with us or against us, there is no grey area in Dragon Age!

Solas respects Cassandra, but they both understand that the world is the way it is. As she tells him, she can't guarantee what will happen to him after the Breach is dealt with.

The Inquisitor, on the other hand, is more powerful, and if you're using that power in a way that Solas sees as harmful, then sure- he's going to have some opinions. He still stays to help finish the job.

As for him having things he wants out of his involvement, that's true of all the companions to one extent or another.

[Paragonslustre]

I don't hate Solas, but yeah I think he can be a bit of a tw*at.  Actually, I did befriend him the first playthrough  (human mage) and I was gobsmacked at the end when it all came together.  I've yet to play as an elf because I can't quite get over what I know he is responsible for and I want to romance him for extra story.