The Inquisitor, on the other hand, is more powerful, and if you're using that power in a way that Solas sees as harmful, then sure- he's going to have some opinions. He still stays to help finish the job.As for him having things he wants out of his involvement, that's true of all the companions to one extent or another.
I'll drop a wall of text and then stroll off. Like I always do. 
And this is the spoiler forum. So I won't use spoiler tags.
Guess I'm one of the few people who actually liked Solas before the game release? (I loved Dorian too, by the way. I was hyped for them both). I found Solas fascinating, and I still do, even when I'm playing a character he's mad at.
I recruited the templars as dwarf, and it took a lot for me to do that because it goes against what I believe to be right within this fictional world. But I did it. For science. Solas didn't agree with what I did. My dwarf told him "beggars can't be choosers" and he conceded to her point. He was pretty decent about it.
And he even managed to make me feel guilty because he's an apostate (who has already been threatened once by Cassandra) and now I've surrounded him with templars. But I head canoned that my dwarf would have protected him and told him so. After all, they were still friends.
It's take TWO major decisions to really p-off Solas. My dwarf will exile the Grey Wardens (for reasons I won't go into because off topic) so he will remain her friend.
It does suck the way he'll tell you "your people are crap . . . except for you." We have to remember that he comes from a time when no other races existed but for elves (we learned this in The Masked Empire, but this should have been made obvious in the game, which sucks). By default, all races are inferior to him until he is convinced otherwise. He literally has a god's mentality because . . . he's a god.
He also has not been in the world as long as Mythal, who has witnessed the races firsthand and knows they aren't all bad. Solas is still learning. And given that he wants the foci to do something that will put the world back the way it was, it probably comforts him to think that people aren't worth saving. It will make whatever he's going to do much easier -- something he will say to a Dalish IQ he hates.
Solas may be there for his own agenda, but he sincerely wants Corypheus shut down. At least that puts him one up on Vivienne, who is only there for a power grab.
tl;dr: Solas is an ancient elven god who values intelligence and free will, not blind service to the Chantry. That's why.
Solas should be the last person to judge someone, he didn't thought it would be harmful to give a powerful magical orb to a darkspawn magister?
Apparently not. And I never said he wasn't hypocritical. He is, clearly.
Solas should be the last person to judge someone, he didn't thought it would be harmful to give a powerful magical orb to a darkspawn magister?
He probably thought the blast would kill Corypheus. What I assumed, anyway.
Dorian is a Tevinter, for one, and Solas approves of the PC thinking things through on their own. He'll give approval even to PCs he hates if they assert a thoughtful opinion. For instance in that conversation, he approves if the Inquisitor says "I'm a mage, I would know."
Well, someone should say to Solas that if I trust someone else's opinion that doesn't mean I don't think things through.
I've decided I really like cake but I didn't feel the need to make a thread about it.
As a player, Solas is a fascinating character because he appears to be a relatively good person, who just happens to be an old god with divine-level baggage, and thus is constantly lying to everyone around him, so it's impossible to know just how good he actually he.
He is simultaneously a source of lore, mysteries, and misdirection. By the end of your first playthrough, everything he says becomes more significant, as you attempt to parse truth from lies. I absolutely adore him.
My character's opinion, on the other hand, is always based on how I'm roleplaying.
I'm sorry you hate Solas?
I totally agree with Mann42. If you hate Solas I think you don't really understand him, but I didn't roleplay a Chantry-loving Templar. He's a tragic hero.
I'm now wondering, is it possible to remain friends with Solas even if I side with the Templars and make the grey wardens join me ?
Just make sure you tag him along while you go saving wolves from trees and stuff, and ask questions, and do all the other things that make him happy. I actually found it pretty easy to balance out the massive approval drop.
I'm now wondering, is it possible to remain friends with Solas even if I side with the Templars and make the grey wardens join me ?
Well, someone should say to Solas that if I trust someone else's opinion that doesn't mean I don't think things through.
If your stated reason for believing that you didn't experience a Fade illusion is that Dorian told you it wasn't one, then I suppose he should read your mind and not take you at your word?
I'm now wondering, is it possible to remain friends with Solas even if I side with the Templars and make the grey wardens join me ?
Conscript the templars, ask him lots of questions, take him to find artifacts, go his way on Cole's and his own quest and you'll be maxed for approval in no time. He also often approves of repurposing enemies in the judgments rather than lopping their heads off, and in Wicked Eyes and Wicked Hearts he approves of out-talking Florianne rather than a violent resolution.
My husband has also decided he hates Solas, not for any approval reason or things related to gameplay, but because the whole thing with the Breach and Corypheus is Solas' fault. If he hadn't handed over his orb, none of the events in Inquisition would have happened. Also, he lies to you about who he is and his involvement in the whole thing.
My stance on it is at least he owns up to his fault and stays with the Inquisition for the purpose of fixing of his mistake. As for not telling you who he is... would anyone believe him if he did? Maybe after the conversation with Flemeth...
I actually sometimes enjoy bringing along characters I
hatedisagree with during the different missions. They usually always provide a nice voice of dissent in the party and offer up a different viewpoint on the matter. Sometimes a very valid opposing viewpoint as well.
It's still nice playing with only characters that agree with you, but if you do it too often it limits your perception of the world by a great deal over time.
I couldn't agree with this more.
On my first playthrough I was really annoyed by Sera. I took her along more the next time, and it's refreshing to see a different viewpoint even if I don't completely agree. I can now tolerate her. And hell, at least she's entertaining.
I'm now wondering, is it possible to remain friends with Solas even if I side with the Templars and make the grey wardens join me ?
In one game, just to try it once, I allied with the Templars and with the Grey Wardens (I ally with the GWs in every game) and Solas was my friend. I still sympathized with all things mage, in that game and didn't "insult" Solas and his beliefs, in any other way, so he respected me and liked me.
I agree with the OP.
He supports blindly tearing down whatever he does not approve of while offering no better alternative, only to see things get worse than they were before. You think he'd have learned from his previous mistake. Nope!! That remains his preferred course-of-action for everything.
SolASS doesn't know what he's doin'
I agree with the OP.
He supports blindly tearing down whatever he does not approve of while offering no better alternative, only to see things get worse than they were before. You think he'd have learned from his previous mistake. Nope!! That remains his preferred course-of-action for everything.
SolASS doesn't know what he's doin'
Heh. Doesn't he get on Sera for doing just that in one of their banters? I could've sworn I heard it.
You are right of course. How dare he not lick your feet after you walked all over his ideals and what he represents?
What would that be? Treachery?
I like Solas, he's probably in the top 5 of companions for Inquisition. But even so, the man can get annoying every once in awhile. It's probably because he's an elven god and for some reason that makes you incredible coy and vague about everything even when explaining yourself would rather useful.
The Grey Wardens are being stupid by killing the Old Gods even though their deaths have historically been known to stop Blights. Care to explain why that is Mr. I-See-Saw-It-In-A. Nope. Just going to continue to be vague about this really important thing and keep on yelling about how idiotic the Wardens are being while giving no alternative solutions.
And even get me started about the Well, the Orb and romance fail.
Solas in some ways is a chaotic good character: he opposes anything that he considers oppressive (the Circle system or the Qun) or blindly fanatical (the Templars and the Grey Wardens) without really acknowledging the good things about any of the systems that he criticises and without proposing alternatives. I think this suits his persona rather well as, being the dread wolf, he embodies rebellion and revolution rather than order and compliance.
Regarding his motives, I think it's unfair to lay all the blame at his feet for the events of Inquisition. Yes, he made a huge mistake, but IMO Corypheus, Tevinter nationalism, and Templar stupidity are more responsible for the chaos in the world than Solas was. Corypheus and his Venatori could have sought other ways of ascending to godhood, and the Red Templars began independently of him when Kirkwall's Templar faction went full retard and began consuming red lyrium in spite of witnessing first hand what that stuff did to their former Knight Commander. The chaos spread by the Venatori and Red Templars (e.g in Emprise du Lion, the Forbidden Oasis etc.) would have likely happened anyway even had the breach never opened, and then of course Corypheus had the Grey Wardens under his command from the start.
Finally, it's also unfair to suggest that he's only in it for himself: he clearly feels guilt for what he did and was also seeking to make amends - based on his approval changes regarding a multitude of decisions that you can make across the world, it's clear that he cares about the well-being of people (and spirits).
Heh. Doesn't he get on Sera for doing just that in one of their banters? I could've sworn I heard it.
I think that the difference between Solas and Sera is that Solas wants to change how the world works (though he doesn't really reveal exactly how it should work after it's changed) while Sera is content with the current way of the world as long as it doesn't threaten her rather hedonistic lifestyle.
Solas should be the last person to judge someone, he didn't thought it would be harmful to give a powerful magical orb to a darkspawn magister?
This is one reason why I do not like Solas. During my first playthrough with a Dailish elf, I took a disliking to him because he was so judgy and all, I know better about everything because I walked the fade'ish. I even questioned if he cared about elves, his own people, so I put him on a shelf and left him there. When I saw the ending all I could think of was what a smug, hypocritical jerk he is, and now he's the ultimate betrayer(so he thought, but Flemeth knew what the little putz was up to) of his best friend? I mean, how dare he look down on everyone else when he's the reason Thedas was at risk. I hope he's the protagonist in the next DA so I can poke him with holes. 
Yeah I don't like the approval system in DA:I. For one, you have no ability to explain your reasoning for a "large" choice ex: you choose templars not because you hate mages and think they should all be hunted down and locked up and made tranquil and blah blah blah but because there are demons everywhere pouring out of the sky. Mages are known to be pretty easily tempted and possessed by demons, templars are made and trained to kill demons and abominations. This is seemingly the most efficient solution to the problem at hand. It's nothing personal Solas, holy crap.
My second problem is that there are almost no small choices (through side quests) to help define your personality and get companions to approve or disapprove. Sure companions will approve if you find people's lost junk but they all approve and this isn't personality defining. In DA:O and DA2 you had a lot of small choices and some companions would approve and some would disapprove. For example, Fenris doesn't like you helping or sympathizing with mages, he likes you sending them to the circle where they wont run amok. Anders likes mage freedom at all costs and will disapprove of you locking up mages or siding with templars but they don't only have one issue they approve or disapprove on. Some like helping innocents and being selfless, others like looking out for number one and turning a profit as well as not nosing around in other people's business, etc...that was the number one thing I missed in DA:I. (fun sidequests with story that give you choices and role playing opportunity)
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