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[Addai]

Yeah, the Inquisitor "being responsible for the breach" is actually a best case scenario. If Corypheus would have gotten what he wanted from the orb that was given to him by Solas, we'd be in the Darkest Timeline as seen in "In Hushed Whispers". If Solas would have gotten what he wanted, the Divine would still be dead and there would be incredible amounts of chaos/fallout because of that in addition to whatever the **** Solas is trying to do with the orb which I'm guessing is not going to end well for the average citizen of Thedas.
 
The companions don't care because they know for sure that, had the Inquisitor not interrupted Corypheus when they did, things would be about a million times worse for everyone, and that's even before they know that the Dread Wolf was involved.

This is a semantic nitpick really, but what Solas wanted was not a huge tear in the Veil, the destruction of the Conclave and Corypheus poised to attain godhood. As far as what his plans are, we simply don't know, so I don't get why people jump to the worst conclusion.

[Korva]

I think it would have been appropriate if we'd have the choice of having our characters experience a "crisis moment" over the revelation that we caused that big bang, however unwittingly. As a player, it certainly was an "Oh sh*t, no!" moment, even considering that the alternative would have been way worse.

 

Still, yeah, the big reveal dampened my opinion of the character too. I still like "Solas" quite a bit, meaning the guy I thought was a trusted and trustworthy friend despite obviously having secrets (as everyone does). The Dread Wolf, though? The one who gave Corypheus the orb? The one who's off to do who-knows-what-but-it-probably-isn't-good now? Not so much. Aside from the fact that he doesn't hesitate to kill the vessel of his old friend Mythal and vampirize her power, it also worries me that he said he will always respect the Inquisitor. One can "respect" someone while tearing their world apart, after all. Nothing personal, nothing against you (the exceptional you that is a rare tolerable example of your otherwise forgettable kind), this just needs to be done. Plus, he calls Cole someone he "once cared for". Past tense. Cole, whom Solas was so uniquely gentle and caring with. If he so readily turns away from or even turns on these three beings he was very close to, I'm not sure what he'll stop at now.

 

And given how the Inquisitor can be the one to help shake him out of his what-could-I-do-anyway slump in various conversations and show that there's hope in the here and now and in trying again even if you fail, I also dread the thought of being partly responsible for whatever comes next.

 

I really hope I'm wrong and he won't turn into a full-on antagonist. We'll never get Solas back, but for Solas' sake and for the friendship we had for a short while, I'd rather not see the Dread Wolf go around that bend. Having to fight him would be really hard ... which is exactly why writers who, Varric-style, like to cause their favored characters pain might set us up for it. It'd be terribly ironic if my own wishes for a villain with a more personal, emotionally charged connection to the player/protagonist (instead of a barely-present non-entity with much unexplored potential like Corypheus or Malak) would come true through one of my favourite companions.

[DKJaigen]

He said to Flemeth, "the People needs me", so he cares about them, but (IMO) he cant relate with neither the Dalish and the City Elves, he want the ancient elves back, and he will lead the elvenkind to their lost glory.
I dont want that, and there is only one way to stop him.

 

nice assumptions their mate

[Paragonslustre]

^^ I think it would be brilliant if Solas was the antagonist because then it would mean something, like having to choose between Alistair and Hawke.  I want to agonize over decisions. 

 

ETA: In response to Korva's post

[Boost32]

nice assumptions their mate

Never said it wasnt.

[Antergaton]

In my first playthrough, I had no real feelings on him, sure I took him on some journey's but out of the main cast, I think I used him less than everyone but Cole, he didn't like me so I had no dialogue options for him either, many of my judgements and desicision were apparently wrong to him.

 

My second, after the ending of my first playthrough, I thought "I'll befriend him, maybe it will make for a better story.". It didn't really, just a waste of my time, sure he talked a lot but the main bit in the Temple had one or 2 good bits but otherwise pointless and I went against my natural choices to fit in with his character so he's like me. It was then I realised that he was infact very selfish. Even as my friend he seemed not to care about others, he got angry for silly reasons and while claiming he care for spirits contradicted himself at times. He lied after all about things, he is wise but chooses to not use his wisdom to help others, which comes from his own arrogance.. It's like he assumes people should accept his ways, if they don't he doesn't like them. He is so stuck in his ways he cannot see that the world has changed around him.

 

Then on my third playthrough came the best bit, after small time in the game, I'd arrive at Skyhold done some stuff and I talked to him. There were the 2 conversation bits when he doesn't like you, you can argue with him about why he doesn't help or something. Anyway, I'd been playing rather a noble role up to then, doing what I can for all people not just myself or Inquisition, yet he apprently didn't like that. I talked to him, choosing one of those options and during the conversation he said "I just don't like you."

 

Well, bugger off then. If there was a way I could throw him out the Inquisition, I would.

[TK514]

I don't hate him, but I think he's an idiot that the world will be better off without. I look forward to putting an end to whatever catastrophe his terrible decision making leads us to next. Followed shortly by putting an end to the man himself.

[Korva]

^^ I think it would be brilliant if Solas was the antagonist because then it would mean something, like having to choose between Alistair and Hawke.  I want to agonize over decisions.

 

I think I'd probably want to simultaneously punch and salute the writer who could pull that off well, yes. If they screw it up, though, it would be a sad waste of a character ... and unfortunately, Bioware does not have a good track record when it comes to villains.

[Addai]

I think I'd probably want to simultaneously punch and salute the writer who could pull that off well, yes. If they screw it up, though, it would be a sad waste of a character ... and unfortunately, Bioware does not have a good track record when it comes to villains.

If he's an antagonist in the Loghain and Anders vein, I can certainly live with that.

[MiyuEmi]

My favourite character, I love him.  He doesn't feel obliged to kiss anyone's a%@ and has very strong opinions on things, but he's not afraid to admit when he's wrong.  I'd hate to see him become the antagonist as I think he would be far better utilised as a reliable source of Elven history.  Hopefully they don't mess this up, as I've said before, as he's such a well written character.  To make him the 'enemy' of any kind would be disappointingly predictable.

[Heidirs]

Still, yeah, the big reveal dampened my opinion of the character too. I still like "Solas" quite a bit, meaning the guy I thought was a trusted and trustworthy friend despite obviously having secrets (as everyone does). The Dread Wolf, though? The one who gave Corypheus the orb? The one who's off to do who-knows-what-but-it-probably-isn't-good now? Not so much. Aside from the fact that he doesn't hesitate to kill the vessel of his old friend Mythal and vampirize her power, it also worries me that he said he will always respect the Inquisitor. One can "respect" someone while tearing their world apart, after all. Nothing personal, nothing against you (the exceptional you that is a rare tolerable example of your otherwise forgettable kind), this just needs to be done. Plus, he calls Cole someone he "once cared for". Past tense. Cole, whom Solas was so uniquely gentle and caring with. If he so readily turns away from or even turns on these three beings he was very close to, I'm not sure what he'll stop at now.

 

And given how the Inquisitor can be the one to help shake him out of his what-could-I-do-anyway slump in various conversations and show that there's hope in the here and now and in trying again even if you fail, I also dread the thought of being partly responsible for whatever comes next.

 

I really hope I'm wrong and he won't turn into a full-on antagonist. We'll never get Solas back, but for Solas' sake and for the friendship we had for a short while, I'd rather not see the Dread Wolf go around that bend. Having to fight him would be really hard ... which is exactly why writers who, Varric-style, like to cause their favored characters pain might set us up for it. It'd be terribly ironic if my own wishes for a villain with a more personal, emotionally charged connection to the player/protagonist (instead of a barely-present non-entity with much unexplored potential like Corypheus or Malak) would come true through one of my favourite companions.

 

The big reveal actually made me more interested in Solas' character. It's that reveal that convinced me I had to romance him in my cannon playthrough.

 

It's that hope that you can see with Solas now and then that I think makes his character so compelling. He keeps making these mistakes - locking away the elven gods, giving the orb to Corypheus, taking the power from Mythal - but he's doing them (I think) for a good cause. He's trying to protect and restore the elven people (at least the elven that he considers "elven." ie, not the Dalish or city elves). Which, in and of itself, doesn't sound like that great of a thing. But it's those little conversations that you can have with him (convincing him to keep trying to do the right thing, even if you mess up the first time or tell him he shouldn't discount the Dalish or city elves) that give me hope that his character can grow.

 

With a romance character, he's that much closer to explaining the truth about everything to you - which makes me think that a romanced character might have the best chance of persuading him from a dark path - should we encounter him again and have any "choice" in the matter. 

 

It is, just as possible, that BioWare has a plan for him and his experiences with our Inquisitor won't matter. But I have hope that he can be dissuaded from doing something reckless. 

 

That said, I don't think he's a bad person, just someone who's made some reckless decisions. He's kind of like Merrill in DA2. She's willing to do whatever it takes to restore the eluvian to her people, even if it means binding herself to a demon. Solas is the same - the stakes are just higher.

[Poledo]

I have had far more joy recently by treating all my companions in line with how I am playing my inquisitor. I answer according to how my inquisitor feels rather than worrying about any approvals or disapprovals while trying to not be a complete ass to them. It actually works rather well.

[rashie]

Don't hate him but I found his attitude to be far more hostile when the player character is an elf, dunno if that's related to my choices or just the way he is.

[Hal-Jordan]

He can be hard to like and vice-versa. I like that. As some stated before me, what is the value of respect/love if unconditional and unearned?

[Paks09]

You have to have some level of disapproval with him (don't know much) to get that conversation. So, if you've been his friend the whole time, that convo won't pop up.

 

Yeah, I kept him as a friend so never got the cut-scene posted earlier.  Next playthrough I think I'll go elf and do my best to ****** him off.

[Heidirs]

Yeah, I kept him as a friend so never got the cut-scene posted earlier.  Next playthrough I think I'll go elf and do my best to ****** him off.

 

You can punch him, if your approval gets really low. Although he calls you "predictable" and shakes it off.

[MonkeyLungs]

For me it all depends upon my character. Some of my characters have very strong respect for him and some just kind of tolerate him. I really think any of my characters would become a little suspicious of him though.

 

Super knowledgeable of the fade, in the right place at the right time considering the explosion, and a much different take on elves than anyone even my elven inquisitor has been around before.

 

If you take him to the temple of mythal he and abelas let a major point slip ... "Elvehn such as you?" (abelas)/ "Such as I." (solas)... yet neither abelas nor solas seem to think of my elf inquisitor as much of an elf because my elf inquisitor is probably more of shemlen than he would even admit. This should absolutely point to a connection solas had to much more ancient elves than my inquisitor elf and raise some flags.

 

I really can't wait to play as a dalish elf mage lady that romances him though.

 

I also really hope that the culmination of the dragon age allows for serious divergence in game paths and that we are allowed to either side with solas and help him in his endeavors or stand against him.

[Kierro Ren]

 

Solas is also not about team work.    If he asks you what you intend doing with the well and you say you'll listen to your advisors, Solas disapproves.    If he asks you if you are sure about your time trip being real and you say, Dorian thinks so, Solas disapproves.    There was another instance (I can't remember the exact details) when you can base your assurance on your faith in the word of one of your companions, who is more of an expert than you, and Solas disapproves.     The only time he doesn't disapprove is if you listen to him.

 

 

Solas values freedom, and the need for knowledge. Solas disapproves of you listening to your advisors, because if you attack a fort or whatever. Your advisors squabble, demanding their way is better, demanding you take their options. You are the Inquisitor, the leader, yet you're still being lead.

 

Dorian's a bit similar, you say "Dorian seems to think so." You're basically taking Dorian's (a tavinter) word for it. So, you're being told what to believe, without thinking for yourself. Also, Solas asked what did you believe, not what Dorian believed. You have to realy pay attention when talking to Solas.

[Korva]

Oh yeah, the Temple of Mythal raises a lot of question marks even when you're not playing an elf, and it's galling that we never get to ask him about it.

 

The big reveal actually made me more interested in Solas' character.

 

Others have said the same in other threads, yes. I think it depends in no small part on whether one cares about that old lore? I don't, partly because it's just utterly out of any league I ever expect Bioware to let me play in, and I want to be a credible player in a conflict, not a wide-eyed observer. My favourite themes in Inquisition as well as Origins are the rather "human"/mortal matters of faith and its effects, hope and despair, duty, sacrifice, friendship.

 

Though Solas did spark a new interest in the Fade and spirits, which I didn't really have before either. I think that, and my Inquisitor's deep respect for and friendship with Cole (who embraces his spirit nature in my canon), is probably a legacy that Solas is proud to have left the Inquisitor with.

 

It is, just as possible, that BioWare has a plan for him and his experiences with our Inquisitor won't matter.

 

I rather worry they won't matter, yes, considering Bioware's apparent insistence on changing protagonists for each game in this series. They don't plan to make an expansion, so we'll probably never have an encounter between the Inquisitor and Solas again ... and a new protagonist wouldn't be able to sway him like a former friend might have a tiny chance to, nor would it feel as meaningful to me.

 

That said, I don't think he's a bad person, just someone who's made some reckless decisions.

 

To say the least. Which very likely plays into some people's dislike for him as a "hypocrite" on repeated playthroughs. I like the fact that for all his age and power he's tremendously flawed instead of a perfect godlike figure, but I wanted to verbally kick him in the teeth sometimes even before the big reveal, and much moreso now.

[AxholeRose]

Don't hate him but I found his attitude to be far more hostile when the player character is an elf, dunno if that's related to my choices or just the way he is.

 

It was the opposite in my first PT, since I bought the game without reading anything, my first impression was that he was the cliched "wise" character that every RPG party seems to have at least one.  But he quickly won me over through numerous conversations and we became best friends.  I was an Andrastian elf though, and didn't really care for the Dalish and their traditions, nor did I accuse him of letting the elves down.

[Shelidon]

You are right of course. How dare he not lick your feet after you walked all over his ideals and what he represents?

Oh my, the god of treachery is offended by our ways. Whatever shall we do.
*goes to punch Solas another time*

[Archdemon_Urthemiel]

OP, how would you feel if Solas was in charge and you couldn't do anything as he allied with mages and exiled wardens?

[Texhnolyze101]

He said to Flemeth, "the People needs me", so he cares about them, but (IMO) he cant relate with neither the Dalish and the City Elves, he want the ancient elves back, and he will lead the elvenkind to their lost glory.
I dont want that, and there is only one way to stop him.

 

And why is it exactly that you don't want that?

[KaiserShep]

I'm curious as to how the former glory of the ancient elves would be restored in the first place, since their former glory was apparently a vast empire. Hard to believe that it would be through any peaceful means.