Solas is so going to be an antagonist in DA4.
I'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact that it's his fault the breach problem started in the first place.
My Rift Mage Trevelyan and his Lady Seeker will be ready for anything.
Not saying it didn't. Just that the orb was not his only motive. I'm sure he felt some guilt about it too.
Please no!
Let his arc be finished in a dlc, we need less elves in Dragon Age.
Oh no, I'm sure we'll be slaying the remaining elven pantheon in the next game.
Solas does not like the Chantry. This is why he wouldn't like someone who allied with the Templars, rather than just using and then disbanding them. He can respect certain individuals, like Cassandra, because he knows she is sincere and trying to do good, but he still doesn't like the organisation. When replying about the use of the Well, I tried the option let's not get ahead of ourselves, we need to defeat Cory first. I got disapproval for that and then he said something about me having to decide whether to destroy the Chantry or not. That seemed odd because there was no particular reason why having the Well would make that any easier and whilst I was in a position to vote for my preferred Divine, which might ultimately result in the Chantry imploding, I had not been given the option of actually doing away with it. So considering at that point he was already planning on leaving, I assume that bringing down the Chantry was something on his mind.
Solas also hates Tevinter, not because of what they did to Arlathan (because he knows they didn't) but because of the slavery of all races, including spirits, using the power they scavenged from the wreck of Arlathan to do so. When Dorian say he is sorry what Tevinter did to Arlathan (before he knows any different), Solas replies that if he is really sorry he will free the slaves of all races in his country. Since it has been indicated the next game will take place in the north, I suspect that he has plans that involve bringing down Tevinter. If, as was suggested in the codex in the Temple of Mythal, Solas is really a god of rebellion, then in a way his People are whoever is being oppressed. So "my People need me" could mean the ancient elves still alive, like Abelas, or it could simply mean anyone who is enslaved and needs freeing. Of course he also hates the Qun for similar reasons.
I wonder if Cory was able to trick him because of this desire to free slaves. Whilst Cory is an ancient Magister, Calpurnia was a former slave who hated the mistreatment of slaves. Cory was apparently able to trick her into serving him, until she discovers that he was planning on making her a slave again, when she turns on him. So may be something similar happened with Solas.
I also think that the linking of that stained glass window in Redcliffe positively with Shartan and its resemblance to Solas tarot card means that even if Solas wasn't actually Shartan he may have been an inspiration to him and Andraste. (My money is still on Fen'Harel posing as the Maker). Flemeth spoke of a reckoning to come that would shake the world and seemed content to surrender Mythal to Solas to bring this about. I suspect that the world shattering events will include revealing the truth about Andraste and a renewed assault on Tevinter, which will bring about the fall of both Chantrys, Black and White, or at least that is the plan. I think it will also involve the release of the last two old gods, the god of secrets and the god of death, which will not be good news I suspect. I also have a feeling that Flemeth/Mythal had an agenda of her own which means that ultimately she will betray Fen'Harel in order to get the revenge she desires.
If Solas didn't like or respect you, take comfort from the fact that you may ultimately have to kill him (whether you want to or not) and his plans seem to inevitably not end how he intended them to.
And I think Solas should go back to his era. I don't like how everything is so elven related in dragon age.
I don't think it was really all that elven. It wasn't until the elven ruins and temple that the story of the elves really came into play. In fact, Origins was possibly more elven than Inquisition was, what with the city and Dalish origin stories and all.
Mythal may be elven, but she's in a human body, and that human still has a consciousness of her own. So even in the case of elven history and magic, humans have the dominant role. Much the same way as when it comes to genetics.
I'm a bit suspicious as to whether you really "befriended" him in the first place (as you say), because I've sided with the Wardens, made Cole more human, stopped him from killing the mages in his personal quest, and drank from the Well (all big disapproval points for him) and still maintained his friendship. As far as I know 'greatly disapproves' = 3 points, so I don't think the templar decision holds any more weight than the Wardens or the Well?
I'd take a look at your dialogue choices in conversations as the true culprit.
Solas is my favorite companion in Inquisition, but he can annoy sometimes with his opinions on a subject or 2.
On my current play through I allied with the templars, playing as an andrastian mage M!Lavellan (influenced by the JoH 
) and still have very high approval with Solas, even before completing his quest. I did not skip a single side quest in Hinterlands helping the refugees where I always gain a lot of approval from him. And I like to ask questions.
Solas is my favorite companion of all DA games.
Please no!
Let his arc be finished in a dlc, we need less elves in Dragon Age.
Who is we? Please speak for yourself only.
I need more elves in Dragon Age. 
I think Solas looks at the major decisions as a realist. He doesn't like that you ally with templars, but he sees the need to, and thus he understands. Same with the Wardens. As for Cole, that is more of a matter of opinion. Solas thinks Cole should be more like what he truly is without really thinking about what Cole wants or what is best for him. I think there is even some banter where Solas will sound doubtful of his position if Cole remains a spirit, and will also seem more accepting of Cole if he tries to be more human.
Ultimately it comes down to the Inquisitor's opinion, how the person thinks. That is what defines you in Solas' eyes.
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In every play through so far I have always been courteous to Solas and befriended him. My current Inquisitor has preserved the Templar order, became a Templar herself and is romancing Cullen. Whenever I speak to Solas his words are filled with venom, he obviously hates me. I asked him to tell me more about himself and he snaps at me telling me, "why so your Templars can hunt down the apostate mage when this is all over? No, I will stay and help the Inquisition but my life is my own." Solas's intentions are not to help the Inquisition but to retrieve his orb. He is using the Inquisition for his own agenda.
1. "He is using the Inquistion for his agenda." Aren't you doing the same thing? Your current character is using the Inquisition to restore the Templar Order, which in turn hunt down and imprison mages. You furthered their agenda, so, black kettle, pipe down about the black pot.
2. Aren't all the companions and advisers using the Inquisition for their own agendas? Cassandra and Leliana want to use it to find out who killed the Divine and bring them to justice; Blackwall is using it to try to make up for his past crimes; the Iron Bull is using it to spy on Andrastian politics to appease his Qunari superiors; Sera is using it to advance the interests of the "little people" she feels often get shafted by "big, important people" like the Inquisition. Heck, Vivienne is OPEN about wanting to use the Inquisition only to advance her own politically standing, to advance the interest of pro-Circle mages like her, and to secure her place on top of whatever new social hierarchy the Inquisition establishes for mages like her (though she prefers the Circle system restored). So.... yeah. If you want to get mad at him, get mad at all of them.
3. And most importantly, what is Solas' agenda? To get the orb? Yes, but what does he want to do with the Orb? Just use it as a bowling ball? No, he wants to use it to free oppressed individuals like city elves and Circle mages. In past playthroughs I'm guessing you supported causes that furthered freedom for individuals, so of course he was happy with you. Now you're supporting an order that oppresses and imprisons mages, and you expect him to just blindly praise you for it?
As others have said, the fact that you expect the freedom-loving apostate to lick your boots for supporting the imprisonment of mages is on you.
I love how people defend Solas when he was the reason DA:I started in the first place... he speaks openly of wanting to break the barrier between the Fade and Thedas... and gives an orb to Corypheus that... oh, right... breaks the barrier between the Fade and Thedas.
He's a wretch and a liar and if my Inquisitor had any idea of what he did and who he was... Solas would be enjoying a lovely cell in Skyhold right before meeting the executioner's ax.
And stop painting those ridiculous murals on my walls you ass.
That being said - he didn't hate me at all. I disagreed with him on everything about his idiotic concepts of how Thedas should be a spirit playground... assimilated the Templars and let the Tevinter Imperium have a whole host of new mage slaves... absorbed the Wardens (which I think he really hated)... and he was still pleasant with me.
It makes it sound quite lonely, I don't know about dark.When he speaks through Cole as to his path he makes it seem quite dark. While the Breach was likely not his goal or desire I'm not sure his actual path is necessarily better.
You don't say!Solas isn't real...
DAI is the only game that had any elfy stuff at all. A pleasant surprise to me, when I thought the game was going to be all about the Chantry and Orlesian ponces.And I think Solas should go back to his era. I don't like how everything is so elven related in dragon age.
Words are one thing, but actions are quite another. Should be some option to turn this jerkoff tranquil, and save everyone some future headaches.
I suspect he'd be immune to that.
I allied with the Templars and Grey Wardens, helped Cole become more human and supported Cassandra as Divine. But I still had a good relationship with Solas overall and our conversations were good. he even called me a friend. I did finish both personal quests of his and always kept an open mind in our conversations in regards to spirits so that helped a lot. I liked Solas (even though he was a bit preachy) and he was my main mage. That is why the big reveal at the end was disappointing. Not only did he kept a lot of secrets, but he actually started the whole mess with his blunder and poor judgement. And even worse, he is quick to judge and can be very critical of other people's decisions. That is what bugged me the most.
The irony was that the mage I distrusted for the longest time was Dorian while I always trusted Solas. Turns out that Dorian was the trustworthy one.
I must have the smoothiest smooth talking smoother M!Lavellan because he did nearly everything to ****** Solas off (be templar, support templar as bffs and keep the wardens as bffs, the only exception is making Cole more spirit like) yet at the same time he's befriended Solas!
Meanwhile my F!Lavellan who made the exact same choices and even flirted with Solas is crying in a corner because Cole's quest is bugged so therefore the only way to get another pinch of "solas greatly approves" is gone.
I love how people defend Solas when he was the reason DA:I started in the first place... he speaks openly of wanting to break the barrier between the Fade and Thedas... and gives an orb to Corypheus that... oh, right... breaks the barrier between the Fade and Thedas.
To be completely fair, we don't actually know what Solas did or how Corypheus got the orb. Certainly Solas could have lobbed it at the wierdo darkspawn magister and told him to catch, or it might have been a completely different set of circumstances that we are not yet privy to. Just like whatever it is that Solas or Fen'Harel or whoever he was did in the past. I'm willing to see where the story goes before I brand him an irredeemable betrayer, because with the bits and pieces we have now? We can just speculate. It's all interesting speculation, but it's nothing set in stone. Yet.
Hey what about the judgments? I think we may be overlooking those regarding Solas and what he thinks of the Inquisitor.
I love how people defend Solas when he was the reason DA:I started in the first place... he speaks openly of wanting to break the barrier between the Fade and Thedas... and gives an orb to Corypheus that... oh, right... breaks the barrier between the Fade and Thedas.
He's a wretch and a liar and if my Inquisitor had any idea of what he did and who he was... Solas would be enjoying a lovely cell in Skyhold right before meeting the executioner's ax.
And stop painting those ridiculous murals on my walls you ass.
That being said - he didn't hate me at all. I disagreed with him on everything about his idiotic concepts of how Thedas should be a spirit playground... assimilated the Templars and let the Tevinter Imperium have a whole host of new mage slaves... absorbed the Wardens (which I think he really hated)... and he was still pleasant with me.
I love how people conveniently forget that if not for Hawke's and Co actions - Corypheus wouldn't be an option for Solas to even consider. Solas would have probably waited until he could power the orb himself. That would have prevented the destruction at the conclave.
I also remember how Hawke was collecting the stuff for Anders to help him make the concoction that destroyed the Chantry in Kirkwall. If not for Hawke's help, he would have gotten himself killed in the sewers and that would have been the end of him. Though, I am sure that Meredith would have caused the Mage/Templar war anyway, because she was bat***t crazy.
In Hawke's defense - he/she was deceived by Anders, but same can be applied to Solas who was deceived by Corypheus.
And now Hawke has another opportunity to mess things up with the wardens in Weisshaupt.
Wouldn't it be interesting if BioWare decided to put Hawke against the HoF in a DLC about the Grey Wardens? 
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If, as was suggested in the codex in the Temple of Mythal, Solas is really a god of rebellion, then in a way his People are whoever is being oppressed. So "my People need me" could mean the ancient elves still alive, like Abelas, or it could simply mean anyone who is enslaved and needs freeing.
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I think a big reason why Solas is problematic for some people is because the man quite frankly is incredibly dangerous. I'm talking Corypheus dangerous if you really think about it with his actions having already been indirectly responsible for the deaths of thousands. While I don't hate him he reminds me of Anders a character I do hate with a passion. He values his world worldview and vision of how Thedas should be that he forgets to straightforwardly ask the very people he's trying to help whether they are interested in a world without the Veil.
I don't know about you folks but if someone were to fundamentally change the nature of the universe, I would definitely want a warning and a chance to have a referendum of the matter.
Exactly. It's almost as if the writers said, "Hey, Anders really set the standard for being a hypocritical fanatic in DAII, but I think we can go even further with Solas. Let's give it a try!"
And yes, completely warping the very fabric of reality to suit your personal whims is pretty much an archetypal supervillain plot. It's the kind of thing that should have the Avengers busting down your door, not be lauded for.
Solas doesn't know what he's doing. He doesn't even think of the consequences. He just goes and does stuff then broods about it.
And all that trickster god thing is another BS the Dalish got wrong. That's some complex ****, and he doesn't strike me as someone who can do complex things considering he failed at it each time.
Precisely. He's not the God of Rebellion, he's the God of %@#&-Ups. Feed him to the griffons.
Please no!
Let his arc be finished in a dlc, we need less elves in Dragon Age.
An Ancient Elf villain is perfect. No more cliche Tevinter or Dead Zombies (Darkspawns).
Also the reveal was to major to be just used up in a DLC which most people won't even buy and Solas is hyped up as hell in The Masked Empire so he can't just be thrown aside in a DLC.
An Ancient Elf villain is perfect. No more cliche Tevinter or Dead Zombies (Darkspawns).
Also the reveal was to major to be just used up in a DLC which most people won't even buy and Solas is hyped up as hell in The Masked Empire so he can't just be thrown aside in a DLC.
While I don't want the Solas story to be resolved in a DLC, I'd sure love some bridging content. The next game will likely not feature the Inquisitor, so I'd really love for the Inquisitor to at least be in on this reveal in a meaningful way, rather than something off-screen or simply not occurring at all.
That's strange. I chose the Templars in one playthrough, my Inquisitor believed that they were chosen, they supported the Chantry and even picked the templar specialization, nevertheless Solas was always courteous to them and never antagonised them in any way. I suppose it really has to do with your dialogue choices and/or if you completed Solas' personal quests - and how did you resolve them.
An Ancient Elf villain is perfect. No more cliche Tevinter or Dead Zombies (Darkspawns).
Also the reveal was to major to be just used up in a DLC which most people won't even buy and Solas is hyped up as hell in The Masked Empire so he can't just be thrown aside in a DLC.
Soals is not featured in the Masked Empire at all. The elf in the book is named Felassan and
While I don't want the Solas story to be resolved in a DLC, I'd sure love some bridging content. The next game will likely not feature the Inquisitor, so I'd really love for the Inquisitor to at least be in on this reveal in a meaningful way, rather than something off-screen or simply not occurring at all.
DLC is the best place for it. The main villain of this game being a DLC villain of the last game is a bit of a cop out to be honest. Where was the all new big baddy? If Solas is the main enemy of the next game, it would have lost the personal feel the Inquisitor would have given it as they won't be there anymore.
It's probably best if Bioware left this side of things behind, leave Southern Thedas, leaves elves alone for a game and deal with some Dwarf stuff.
I love how people conveniently forget that if not for Hawke's and Co actions - Corypheus wouldn't be an option for Solas to even consider. Solas would have probably waited until he could power the orb himself. That would have prevented the destruction at the conclave.
I also remember how Hawke was collecting the stuff for Anders to help him make the concoction that destroyed the Chantry in Kirkwall. If not for Hawke's help, he would have gotten himself killed in the sewers and that would have been the end of him. Though, I am sure that Meredith would have caused the Mage/Templar war anyway, because she was bat***t crazy.
In Hawke's defense - he/she was deceived by Anders, but same can be applied to Solas who was deceived by Corypheus.
And now Hawke has another opportunity to mess things up with the wardens in Weisshaupt.
Wouldn't it be interesting if BioWare decided to put Hawke against the HoF in a DLC about the Grey Wardens?
This makes no sense whatsoever.
It was the Grey Wardens' job to renew the seal and not have some renegade crazies thinking they can control Corypheus via blood magic. Hawke was only defending themselves from them since they wanted to use their blood. Besides, Corypheus would've escaped anyway, but it happened sooner because of Janeka.
And really, you don't have to be a genius to figure out how dangerous Corypheus is, and that maybe this guy is irredeemable. Solas wasn't deceived, he was in a rush and didn't exactly think of the consequences. I doubt he even thinks things through anyway, proof is all the mess he's gotten "his people" into.
He gave him the orb, knowing all too well what he would've done with it. I highly doubt it went something like this:
Solas: Here's my elven orb, full of elven magic and stuff. I took a very long nap so I trust you'll be careful when unlocking it. I sure hope you won't cause a cataclysmic event.
Corypheus: Don't worry, I won't.
Solas: Promise?
Corypheus: I promise *fingers crossed*
And then the Breach happened.
Solas: Oh you...
Maybe next time when he wakes up, he better wikiFade for info.
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