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[Fade-Touched-in-the-head]

Leliana has only 1 unique set of clothing in the entire series (her clothes in DAI), like Morrigan's dress.

So... That's not even a valid point.

My point is Leliana is not wearing the same outfit in DAI that she wore in Origins. Curiously, this isn't an obstacle to prevent us from identifying her.

[SardaukarElite]

Okay. Literally every returning ME2 character has their same ME2 outfit in ME3. It's so they can be easily recognized, because that look is iconic to them. Morrigan in her DAO clothing is unmistakable.

 

Identifying the same person wearing different clothes is an important life skill. I think if we assume that players can't recognise a returning character because they have a new set of clothes we might as well give up on plots any more sophisticated than shooting Russian sounding war criminals. Particularly when we're playing a different character who needs to be introduced to her.

 

Also, when we first meet Morrigan in Inq she's in a new ballgown anyway.

[o Ventus]

My point is Leliana is not wearing the same outfit in DAI that she wore in Origins. Curiously, this isn't an obstacle to prevent us from identifying her.

Nobody said it was. Leliana also had no unique look in either DAO or DA2. When you first see her in DAO she's wearing generic Chantry robes seen on every other Chantry NPC. In 2, she's wearing the same armor as Cassandra. Only in DAI does she get a look all to herself. Nobody else in either DAO or 2 wears Morrigan's clothes. Morrigan's clothes are iconic, Leliana had to wait 3 games to get her own iconic look.

[o Ventus]

Identifying the same person wearing different clothes is an important life skill. I think if we assume that players can't recognise a returning character because they have a new set of clothes we might as well give up on plots any more sophisticated than shooting Russian sounding war criminals. Particularly when we're playing a different character who needs to be introduced to her.

 

Also, when we first meet Morrigan in Inq she's in a new ballgown anyway.

Good thing this isn't real life then as opposed to a piece of written fiction. You may as well be wondering why Homer Simpson is only ever seen in his white shirt and blue jeans on normal occasions.

[Fade-Touched-in-the-head]

Leliana had to wait 3 games to get her own iconic look.

You've just decided on your own that this is Leliana's "iconic" look on the grounds that after three games, she's wearing something nobody else is? And what if she's wearing something else entirely in her next appearance?

[Lord Raijin]

I'm guessing you don't know what a comparison is.

 

I can't make a comparison when I haven't played ME. Not everyone from this forum has played ME so like I said before what does ME has to do with Morrigans clothing? Perhaps you can explain what you're talking about without bringing up a whole different game.

[o Ventus]

You've just decided on your own that this is Leliana's "iconic" look on the grounds that after three games, she's wearing something nobody else is? And what if she's wearing something else entirely in her next appearance?

For now, it is her iconic look, yes. Realistically, the only other outfit she would be wearing past DAI would be the Divine's robes, if she's elected to the position. 

 

That's what an iconic look is, when a character has a set of clothing or an appearance that is unique to them, and is is unmistakably "them".

[SardaukarElite]

Good thing this isn't real life then as opposed to a piece of written fiction. You may as well be wondering why Homer Simpson is only ever seen in his white shirt and blue jeans on normal occasions.

 

 

I don't care about Homer Simspon. It makes sense for Morrigan to have different clothes, I like stories that make sense. It isn't real life so I can understand why characters in games don't change their clothes as much as real people do, but that's a limitation not something to be proud of.

[Killdren88]

No matter what it is, BSN will find some reason to complain about it...

[o Ventus]

I can't make a comparison when I haven't played ME. Not everyone from this forum has played ME so like I said before what does ME has to do with Morrigans clothing? Perhaps you can explain what you're talking about without bringing up a whole different game.

 

Here is Morrigan in DAO:

 

 

No other character in the entire series wears clothes even remotely similar to hers. Her oufit is unique, and helps to give her her own silhouette. If you saw a black silhouette of Morrigan in her DAO clothing, you would probably be able to identify that it's her just on the silhouette alone. Her clothes giver her a unique visual identity. If you saw her in other clothing, you would still be able to tell it's Morrigan because you've seen her before and you know what she looks like, but her DAO clothing helps her stand out, in the same way that Cullen's coat makes him stand out, or Bull's harness and eye patch.

 

I brought up ME because people were complaining in ME3 that characters returning from ME2 were wearing the same outfits that they wore in ME2. The reason they look the same is the same reason Morrigan is wearing her old clothes.

[o Ventus]

 

I don't care about Homer Simspon. It makes sense for Morrigan to have different clothes, I like stories that make sense. It isn't real life so I can understand why characters in games don't change their clothes as much as real people do, but that's a limitation not something to be proud of.

Okay, so you just decide to ignore what I said, that works too.

[Fade-Touched-in-the-head]

For now, it is her iconic look, yes. Realistically, the only other outfit she would be wearing past DAI would be the Divine's robes, if she's elected to the position.

That's what an iconic look is, when a character has a set of clothing or an appearance that is unique to them, and is is unmistakably "them".

An iconic look is by definition a look most typically associated with a character.

Leliana has appeared in three games sporting a different outfit each time. Just because her current DAI outfit is unique that doesn't automatically make it iconic. That only makes it unique. Period.

Whether or not her outfit becomes iconic has yet to be determined. It is not "iconic for now."

[o Ventus]

An iconic look is by definition a look most typically associated with a character.

 

Yeah, and that's exactly why her current look is "iconic", if only by default, BECAUSE it's the first time she's seen in clothing that is associated with her. She wears generic Chantry robes in DAO and generic Seeker armor in DA2. Neither of those conjure images of Leliana.

 

Leliana has appeared in three games sporting a different outfit each time. Just because her current DAI outfit is unique that doesn't automatically make it iconic. That only makes it unique. Period.

 

I would argue that she didn't even have a look in DAO. She starts in generic NPC robes and her outfit can be switched out accordingly by the player. It isn't until DAI that she gets her own unique set of clothing.

Whether or not her outfit becomes iconic has yet to be determined. It is not "iconic for now."

 

Except for when it is, for reasons I've already explained.

[Fade-Touched-in-the-head]

Yeah, and that's exactly why her current look is "iconic", if only by default, BECAUSE it's the first time she's seen in clothing that is associated with her. She wears generic Chantry robes in DAO and generic Seeker armor in DA2. Neither of those conjure images of Leliana.


I would argue that she didn't even have a look in DAO. She starts in generic NPC robes and her outfit can be switched out accordingly by the player. It isn't until DAI that she gets her own unique set of clothing.



Except for when it is, for reasons I've already explained.

Your reasoning is faulty because you insist on equivocating "unique" with "iconic." Unique is not the same as iconic in the same way that an apple is not the same thing as an orange. My choosing to wear a bird costume at a wedding, while that would most certainly make me uniquely dressed, would not make it my "iconic" look.

Edit: Besides which, had Leliana had worn that brown Chantry robe (the robe you say doesn't count) in all three games then guess what? Today, that robe would be her iconic look. The fact that the robe isn't unique apparel is absolutely irrelevant.

[Lord Raijin]

Here is Morrigan in DAO:

 

 

No other character in the entire series wears clothes even remotely similar to hers. Her oufit is unique, and helps to give her her own silhouette. If you saw a black silhouette of Morrigan in her DAO clothing, you would probably be able to identify that it's her just on the silhouette alone. Her clothes giver her a unique visual identity. If you saw her in other clothing, you would still be able to tell it's Morrigan because you've seen her before and you know what she looks like, but her DAO clothing helps her stand out, in the same way that Cullen's coat makes him stand out, or Bull's harness and eye patch.

 

I brought up ME because people were complaining in ME3 that characters returning from ME2 were wearing the same outfits that they wore in ME2. The reason they look the same is the same reason Morrigan is wearing her old clothes.

 

That is ridiculous. Theirs nothing unique about her clothing and it doesn't help give her own silhouette. It also doesn't give her an unique visual identity either considering the fact that things has changed for the better for Morrigan now that shes working for Empress Celene as an adviser in the arcane arts. This would of given her time to purchase new clothing and ditch out her street clothing. 

[JobacNoor]

You had me at "Morrigan and her bum".

[o Ventus]

That is ridiculous. Theirs nothing unique about her clothing and it doesn't help give her own silhouette. It also doesn't give her an unique visual identity either considering the fact that things has changed for the better for Morrigan now that shes working for Empress Celene as an adviser in the arcane arts. This would of given her time to purchase new clothing and ditch out her street clothing. 

Mother of Christ, people need to learn how characters are designed.

 

But what do I know, I've only taken 6 years of art classes.

[Darkly Tranquil]

That is ridiculous. Theirs nothing unique about her clothing and it doesn't help give her own silhouette. It also doesn't give her an unique visual identity either considering the fact that things has changed for the better for Morrigan now that shes working for Empress Celene as an adviser in the arcane arts. This would of given her time to purchase new clothing and ditch out her street clothing.

You're missing the point; Morrigan could wear different clothes if she wanted to, but she doesn't. Morrigan is a law unto herself who doesn't give a toss about what other people think of her. Her unorthodox outfit is an outward expression of her disdain for other people's expectations and of confidence in herself.

[DanteYoda]

I like it at least she shows some skin and is attractive.

 

At least she looks like a female.

[Fade-Touched-in-the-head]

That is ridiculous. Theirs nothing unique about her clothing and it doesn't help give her own silhouette.

Well, this is where my opinion parts ways with yours.

Morrigan's original outfit worked nicely in DAO because it set her apart from the rest of the Warden's companions while conveying something about the character. So did Leliana's, for that matter. She'd been a Chantry lay sister and was dressed accordingly.

Morrigan's non-conformist attitude was exhibited perfectly by her unique choice in dress. Leliana's Maker-worship was exhibited perfectly by her wearing the common robes of the Chantry.

Morrigan could wear different clothes if she wanted to, but she doesn't. Morrigan is a law unto herself who doesn't give a toss about what other people think of her. Her unorthodox outfit is an outward expression of her disdain for other people's expectations and of confidence in herself.

Morrigan wears whatever the hell she wants. Point taken. But when "whatever the hell she wants" means "one outfit for the rest of my life", I'm sorry but that's just dull. That is boring as hell, and Morrigan isn't meant to be boring.

I also disagree that she doesn't care what others think of her. I think her image is very important to her. Morrigan likes to poke her fingers around the edges of other people's comfort zones. She's almost deliberately provocative and if anything, she wouldn’t wear that same outfit all the time because everyone would just get used to it.

[Heresie Irisee]

I wish they'd changed it. It's been ten years. I can buy Hawke, who's been on the run, wearing the same armour set as a couple years prior (although tbf I also wish they'd updated it, and other DA2 armours like the templar and free army models, for da:i. They're incongruously angular and spiky, and the textures are really low-res compared to most inquisition assets. But I digress). Morrigan's clothes just strain suspension of disbelief for the sake of being iconic - it's a valid design choice but not one I'm fond of, personally.

There's plenty of ways to keep signature elements in a design and still modify it for the sake of, y'know, making sense.

[Br3admax]

How do you "update" armor? Armor's pretty ****** expensive, incase you didn't know. You can complain about Morrigan all you want, I mean for some reason she has her own style and upbringing that she wants to remember for some reason, but complaining about Hawke wearing the same armor is kind of nonsensical. 

 

Besides that, Varric wears the exact same clothing as well. Haven't seen a thread for that yet. Alistair's worn the exact same armor he's had since becoming king, at least in the comics, etc. 

[Darkly Tranquil]

I also disagree that she doesn't care what others think of her. I think her image is very important to her. Morrigan likes to poke her fingers around the edges of other people's comfort zones. She's almost deliberately provocative and if anything, she wouldn’t wear that same outfit all the time because everyone would just get used to it.

Yeah, I should have been clearer, I should have said that she doesn't care if she offends social norms, rather than that she doesn't care what others think. But a part of that is an overt assertion of her own individuality; just as she refuses to be cowed by the Chantry for being a Mage, she refuses to be constrained into conforming by other externally imposed expectations. Her iconic outfit is just a visual representation of her "screw the rules" attitude.

[Fade-Touched-in-the-head]

Her iconic outfit is just a visual representation of her "screw the rules" attitude.

I agree completely, but do you think she should be confined to a single expression of "screw the rules?" I'm basically suggesting she'd be more likely to have an entire "screw the rules" wardrobe.