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[Eruanna Guerrein]

I'm going to turn one of the barn's into a prison for Eamon to rot in. It will be guarded by hounds. When I travel, I might even take him with me, but his bed will always be with the hounds. Double bonus to this: Isolde has to lose both her son and her husband. Win win!



What do you wish your HN could have done once you crowned yourself king or queen?

[wwwwowwww]

why the hate on eamon?

[Eruanna Guerrein]

Well he shouldn't have much of a problem with it. That's how he treated Alistair even though it sounded as if, based on what Loghain said (in another playthrough, metagaming here), Maric left Alistair in Eamon's care thinking he would be cared for. Instead he's treated like an unworthy animal.

I would have enjoyed being able to dish out some pay back.



I figure I'm not the only one who's wished for an option that isn't there or that may be surprising to many.

[DPSSOC]

Well you do have to consider his position. Housing and feeding a bastard looks bad enough for a man of his position, but housing, feeding, and treating a bastard well is all but declaring he's yours.



Now were my HN king first he'd arrange an "accident" for Anora but after that he'd release all the Elves from the Alienage, and hunt them for sport. Gabriel Cousland can be a very cruel man when he wants to be.



My other HN would most likely set to the task of establishing a new order of Templars loyal to the Monarchy not the Chantry with the end goal of replacing the Chantry run Templars with the government run templars because no organization other than the Nobility should have the right to try and execute people.

[Eruanna Guerrein]

What did those poor elves ever do to you?



Ooh, I totally forgot about taking care of Anora. An accident isn't bad but considering I could just have her executed for refusing to swear fealty. Maybe she should become our chamber maid? I need to think on this for something really suiting her...



LOL @ your reasoning but government run templars is a really good idea! It's dangerous for the church, errr chantry, to have their own army. And even more so when they have the legal right to force said army into addiction.

[Monica21]

I'm either not talking to the right people or not talking to them at the right time. Where do you get the dialogue that Alistair slept in the stables?

[Gold Dragon]

About when he tells you that he is Maric's son.

As for me: Hmmmm....  HN as queen would be quietly talking to Wynne for "assistance" in "Putting out" (From this forum's joke) as is her duty.  Alistair wants an heir, she'll do her best.:innocent:

Modifié par A Golden Dragon, 27 janvier 2010 - 03:19 .

[Eruanna Guerrein]

Also when you are outside the Arl of Denerim's estate. If you walk in the right spot with him in your party it will trigger him telling you he came there with Eamon once. He slept with the hounds.







LOL I suppose sleeping with Wynne is a zillion times better than sleeping with Morrigan or marrying Anora!

[wwwwowwww]

I think I'd have a lot more to do and a lot better ways of doing it.



That's just me though, no need to start throwing the country into chaos right after a blight

[Eruanna Guerrein]

Eamon doesn't do anything with the rest of his life except hang around and try to tell you what to do anyway. So sad that the effects of the poison were too strong for the ashes to cure long term...

[Sandtigress]

Monica21 wrote...

I'm either not talking to the right people or not talking to them at the right time. Where do you get the dialogue that Alistair slept in the stables?

Its when you ask him about Arl Eamon raising him, early in the game.  If you choose the option "Wasn't it inappropriate of him to raise a bastard?" Alistair will tell you maybe it was, but its not like he slept on silk sheets. He slept in the hay, which sounds like he slept in the stables.

[Gold Dragon]

He DOES mention the stables, at least he did on the first entry into Redcliffe for me.

[Monica21]

Sandtigress wrote...

Monica21 wrote...

I'm either not talking to the right people or not talking to them at the right time. Where do you get the dialogue that Alistair slept in the stables?

Its when you ask him about Arl Eamon raising him, early in the game.  If you choose the option "Wasn't it inappropriate of him to raise a bastard?" Alistair will tell you maybe it was, but its not like he slept on silk sheets. He slept in the hay, which sounds like he slept in the stables.

Ah, okay. I haven't picked that option. Thank you!

[Addai]

It's Maric's fault, not Eamon's. Eamon tried to get Maric to recognize Alistair and he wouldn't.

[Eruanna Guerrein]

Wasn't it Loghain who pointed out what a mistake it would be if Maric did? I only saw the conversation once so I may not be remembering correctly but it seems that Maric wanted to claim Alistair as his. I'm sure he thought Eamon was going to take care of him.



I don't recall learning that Eamon wanted Maric to recognize him but there is so much that is easy to miss or forget. I do recall thinking that Eamon might have seen an opportunity to pay Maric back for cheating on his sister.

[MishenNikara]

Addai67 wrote...

It's Maric's fault, not Eamon's. Eamon tried to get Maric to recognize Alistair and he wouldn't.

Book spoilers (highlight):


Maric leaving Alistair in someone else's care to live a non-royal life was at the request of his Elven mother/Gray Warden Fiona.  It is mentioned at the very end of The Calling.  She didn't want Alistair caught up in the politics of royalty and wanted him to have a normal human life with Alistair being none the wiser.  Maric was basically following her wishes.

Eruanna Guerrein wrote...

Wasn't it Loghain who pointed
out what a mistake it would be if Maric did? I only saw the
conversation once so I may not be remembering correctly but it seems
that Maric wanted to claim Alistair as his. I'm sure he thought Eamon
was going to take care of him.

I don't recall learning that
Eamon wanted Maric to recognize him but there is so much that is easy
to miss or forget. I do recall thinking that Eamon might have seen an
opportunity to pay Maric back for cheating on his sister.

I don't think Loghain even knew about Alistair being related initally.  Also, Maric can't cheat on the dead.

Modifié par MishenNikara, 27 janvier 2010 - 05:00 .

[Monica21]

@MishenNikara

As much as I like that name, I'm really wishing I'd chosen a different one for my PC. :/

[Eruanna Guerrein]

Ah, well I have a birthday coming up so I've put the books on my wish list. It's actually been killing me to wait but they are in a good price range to come from the kids.

That just seems to strengthen my feeling that Eamon uses Alistair to avenge his sister though. I'm actually surprised no one else, especially anyone who likes Alistair, feels this way about Eamon. Not that I intended this thread to be solely about this subject but does no one else see that a big portion of Alistair's weaknesses come from how Eamon treated him?


Edit because I just saw your edit:  I thought that Rowan was still alive when Alistair was born? Again, I haven't read the books myself so just going off what I've seen on the forums. I actually thought

*spoiler*



that it was debatable if Fiona was Alistair's mother. I recall there being a fairly long thread discussing whether or not it was possible.

Modifié par Eruanna Guerrein, 27 janvier 2010 - 05:06 .

[Monica21]

Eruanna Guerrein wrote...
That just seems to strengthen my feeling that Eamon uses Alistair to avenge his sister though. I'm actually surprised no one else, especially anyone who likes Alistair, feels this way about Eamon. Not that I intended this thread to be solely about this subject but does no one else see that a big portion of Alistair's weaknesses come from how Eamon treated him?

Just given what I know from the game, I think Alistair's weaknesses come from Eamon's willingness to cave to Isolde. I don't think he was necessarily treated badly, but it's more than obvious that while Eamon cares about Alistair, he could never sack up and tell Isolde that he was going to make the decisions when it came to Alistair and she'd just better learn to deal with it. If anything, Alistair has the same "follower" tendencies that Eamon does, but without a title that forces him to lead.

[MishenNikara]

Eruanna Guerrein wrote...



Edit because I just saw your edit:  I thought that Rowan was still alive when Alistair was born? Again, I haven't read the books myself so just going off what I've seen on the forums. I actually thought

*spoiler*



that it was debatable if Fiona was Alistair's mother. I recall there being a fairly long thread discussing whether or not it was possible.

I suppose the final answer to if Alistair was the child could only be answered by Mr. Gaider himself. That aside, it's mentioned that Rowan had already been dead for 2 years at the start of The Calling.

Monica21 wrote...

Alistair has the same "follower" tendencies that Eamon does, but without a title that forces him to lead.

Alistair is a follower....Eamon is just plain whipped

Modifié par MishenNikara, 27 janvier 2010 - 05:13 .

[Treason1]

MishenNikara wrote...
Alistair is a follower....Eamon is just plain whipped

Well..Considering Isolde's voice when she's angry or upset..I'd probably have done much to avoid hearing it, myself.

I've nothing against the Orlesian/French accent, but there's just something about Isolde's voice...Maybe it's her whole personality that adds a lot to it, for me, but...

*shudders*

[Eruanna Guerrein]

Monica21 wrote...

Eruanna Guerrein wrote...
That just seems to strengthen my feeling that Eamon uses Alistair to avenge his sister though. I'm actually surprised no one else, especially anyone who likes Alistair, feels this way about Eamon. Not that I intended this thread to be solely about this subject but does no one else see that a big portion of Alistair's weaknesses come from how Eamon treated him?

Just given what I know from the game, I think Alistair's weaknesses come from Eamon's willingness to cave to Isolde. I don't think he was necessarily treated badly, but it's more than obvious that while Eamon cares about Alistair, he could never sack up and tell Isolde that he was going to make the decisions when it came to Alistair and she'd just better learn to deal with it. If anything, Alistair has the same "follower" tendencies that Eamon does, but without a title that forces him to lead.

I've always had the impression that Eamon treated Alistair that way even before Isolde came into the picture. IIRC Alistair tells you that he was sent to the chantry after Isolde came. He never says anything about being allowed to sleep in the house though. Hell, Eamon couldn't even put him in the servants quarters? Really?

I fail to see how treating a child like a worthless nobody who is only fit to sleep with animals is okay in any time period. Why not send him off to the chantry to start with? Even when he finally wakes up and mentions there is a stronger claim to the throne he's a jerk. Teagan asks him if he means Alistair and Eamon responds something along the lines of it's terrible that it's come to this but we have no choice, even if Alistair is standing right there. Then has the gall to tell Alistair he must do the right thing. So suddenly Alistair is supposed to forget everything you've told him his whole life, right up until 2 seconds ago, just because now you say, do a 180 b***h?

I wish I had the choice to tell him to go f**k himself. Especially after the landsmeet. No one asked him to stick around but he thinks he's indespensible I guess. "Think" being the keyword there.

Yeah, I've been thinking about this for 2 play throughs now. The anger has built up.

Treason1 wrote...

Well..Considering Isolde's voice when she's angry or upset..I'd probably have done much to avoid hearing it, myself.

I've
nothing against the Orlesian/French accent, but there's just something
about Isolde's voice...Maybe it's her whole personality that adds a lot
to it, for me, but...

*shudders*

Ahahahaha... hence the whole "win win" I mentioned in my OP.

Modifié par Eruanna Guerrein, 27 janvier 2010 - 05:25 .

[MishenNikara]

Hell, there is also another possibility...Alistair was exaggerating his living conditions. He might have at the very least slept in servants quarters. I'm not saying it's likely, just a possibility.

[odiedragon]

Eruanna Guerrein wrote...

I'm going to turn one of the barn's into a prison for Eamon to rot in. It will be guarded by hounds. When I travel, I might even take him with me, but his bed will always be with the hounds. Double bonus to this: Isolde has to lose both her son and her husband. Win win!

THIS.  Eamon can rot for all I care.  We hates him.
As for what I would do, first order of business would be to fee the Circle as a favor to my new Grandmother.
I would probably stick Anora in a monostary.  But if she does ANYTHING out of line, she gets a midnight visit from Zevran.

Modifié par odiedragon, 27 janvier 2010 - 05:43 .

[kormesios]

MishenNikara wrote...

Hell, there is also another possibility...Alistair was exaggerating his living conditions. He might have at the very least slept in servants quarters. I'm not saying it's likely, just a possibility.

I need to listen to that dialogue again at some point, but I never took any 'stables' comment any more seriously than the 'raised by wolves' comments.

Alistair is recognized (fondly) by relatives like Teagan and other trusted ones when he returns.  He was obviously a visible member of a large household, with access to the inner family.  This would put him way above the level of a servant, not some barely human outcast.