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[Hal-Jordan]

On my first playthrough I made Cassandra Divine, though it was kind of by accident. I didn't even know who all the candidates were, well, I thought it was just her and Leliana; I didn't give it much thought. Now I just finished my second character. And as I recall it the story went like this:

 

Lavellan was talking to Vivienne. Vivienne's all like "You know, Inky, the Divine should be someone who can set an example. The Divine needs to be able to get **** done. You'd be a good candidate, but you can't, cause, you know, you're the Inquisitor and stuff, yeah. If only there was someone else... certainly not Cassandra..." *Wink wink, nudge nudge*

 

I'm thinking, alright, I get what you're implying. Fine Vivienne, I'll bite. Maybe you should be Divine? (Vivienne Greatly Approves) "What? Meee? Bu- I could never! Well, if you insist. I'm glad the Inquisitor knows quality when she sees it.

 

But you're a mage, Vivienne. Would the Chantry elect a Mage as Divine?"

 

"If you support me they will. But it's going to take more than that. Be a dear and complete that new operation at the war table, Inquisitor."

 

"Mmmmmmmm, I'll think about it. Maybe later, I have to go slay the Hivernal in Eprise Du Lion."

 

Five minutes and later that day @ Skyhold, the Inquisitor pays Leliana a visit...

 

*Turns around* "You know what Inquisitor? I should be Divine! Why the hell not? I would get **** done!"

 

"Why should I support you as Divine. What would you change?"

 

"Uh, Everything? Duh! I would do away with the Circle, Mages would have their freedom. I would create a society and new Chantry that treats people of all races equal. Humans, Dwarves, Elves such as yourself, heck, even those Satanistic Qunari! And you know what? If the conservatives and reactionaries don't like it, they can suck a fatty!"

 

I'm like, "****, you're hired!"

 

(Vivviene </3) Sorry Vivvy, but when it comes to someone saying they would make a good candidate and someone telling me their platform, I'm always gonna toss my hat in with the latter.

 

So from now on, I think Lelianna is going to be my choice for canon Divine. I encourage people make an argument for Vivienne being the ideal Divine.

 

Discuss!

[ComedicSociopathy]

Softened Leliana. After having to deal with the Mage-Templar War, the Orlesian Civil War and the War Against Corypheus, I'm all for having a Divine that can successfully keep the peace without resorting to more violence and war to do so. 

[Fearsome1]

In my estimation, the most interesting candidate for the role of Divine and the one that would best impact franchise canon is Vivienne. A mage in that position is unprecedented and certainly opens up lots of story possibilities. A mage that reinstates the Chantry and the Templars; whether giving each new freedoms or keeping them firmly under her control is fascinating to consider. Plus, of the three, she might prove to be the biggest threat as Divine to the Inquisition itself?

 

I've had all three ladies end up as Divine, and while there are variations in how they fill the role, for me Viv is the one who should rise to the challenge. Although frankly, that's because no matter who my Inquisitor happens to be, he/she/they prefers not to lose either Cassandra or Leliana from their crucial roles in the Inquisition.

[Poledo]

Leliana. She wants to truly reform it. Cass is too bound in the old ways, she wants to make it better but it seems like a painted and perfumed version of the old Chantry. Vivienne would recreate the problems of the past and things would eventually be where they are today. That and the general populace have a hard time trusting in a mage as divine - why bother rebuilding the chantry at all if you're not going to unite the people behind you?

[ZipZap2000]

Anyone but Vivienne is fine. 

[leadintea]

I agree with TC about a candidate actually telling you their position wholeheartedly. For me, Viv's ideals are exactly what I'd like to see in a Divine, but the roundabout way she goes about becoming Divine just did not appeal to me, so I ended up making Cassandra my Divine.

[Boost32]

Who I made Divine? Vivienne.
Who I think os the best Divine? Vivienne.

[AxholeRose]

In my first canon PT I tried to go for Vivienne but ended up with Leliana, probably because I freed the mages completely.  However I will go through the PT again and carefully maneuver to get Viv on the throne because I wanted change, and I wanted to put a mage in the Chantry.  It didn't make sense for non mages to speculate and create policies to govern mages when they have no idea about magic themselves.  That and I ended up really trusting Vivienne because since I was on her good side, I was well aware of her faults and shortcomings but in the end she is a decent person who wants Order and if she can gain power at the same time, why not?  We share a similar mentality, wanting to do good but also grab some power along the way.

[Hal-Jordan]

While I don't know what Bioware's plans are for the next Dragon Age game, the fact that those three nice ladies are candidates for Divine, removing them from your party, I think their presence in the next game will be restricted to a cameo. Unless of course Bioware decides to be bold. It would be awesome to have different companions based on the choices we made. It would help stopping the cursed Illusion of Choice.

 

BE BOLD, BIOWARE!

[Wulfram]

I got hardened Leliana on my first game

 

I'd prefer softened Leliana or Cassandra.  Tough to tell because we're very short on actual details of Cassandra's policy - I have no idea how far her reforms would go to actually addressing the underlying problems with the Circles, such as the total lack of security they offer to mages.

 

(Of course Divine Leliana must be the Goodie while the other two are the Baddies, because Divine Leliana wears a White Hat and the other two wear Black Hats.)

[lynroy]

Me.

[Boost32]

I got hardened Leliana on my first game
 
I'd prefer softened Leliana or Cassandra.  Tough to tell because we're very short on actual details of Cassandra's policy - I have no idea how far her reforms would go towards giving mages the security they need for the circles to work.
 
(Divine Leliana must be the Goodie while the other two are the Baddies, because Divine Leliana wears a White Hat and the other two wear Black Hats.)

Cassandra says she want the mage to govern themselves and the templars to act like protectors of the people instead of jailers.
Her epilogue with the mages mention she invited the mage back, and if they refuse, she respect their decision and let them alone, so I think her Circles are not obligatory.

[Hal-Jordan]

@Wulfram

 

I haven't done a softened Leliana yet, so I'm interested to see that for my future characters. But I have no qualms with "Renegade" Lelianna. She still ushers in all those reforms, but she is uncompromising.

 

I'd wager she wears the white hat because she claims to be a descendent of our Prophet Andraste. (Cookie for the person who knows what I'm referencing.)

[Reznore57]

I like Cass , she's probably going to be terrible at all the politics stuff but she's going to make sure the Seekers , templars and circles go through some reforms.(Too bad I free the mages in my main playthrough  , it doesn't go well with Cass)

 

With Vivienne , mages still have the circles but gain more power.On the other hand , templars are back to square one , an army of junkies.

Besides she doesn't give much thought to the faith , or cares about the poor.

So it's an ending only good for mages.

 

Leliana is all well and good , but she turns the Chantry into a toothless organisation.As long as the Inquisition is around , it's not a huge problem .But once this is over , there's no one to deal with magical trouble.

And if for example the Qunari invade , it's going to be a mess.

It's going to be up to each country to provide professional soldiers , and if you look at the history of the Blight , they don't get involved unless it happens on their territory or they want to invade the country in trouble in the long run.

 

 Cassandra should turn the Chantry into something better IMHO.And she's the more sane of the three.

Vivienne is driven by power and fear.

Leliana is scary.I would pick her if I was sure there would be peace in Thedas for a few decade  , but I don't believe that.

[ManchesterUnitedFan1]

Vivienne to both.

[Heidirs]

I like Leianna because it brings her character arch full circle from Origins. 

 

Cassandra is too flustered as Divine. I feel like she doesn't really want it. And I would rather have her reform the Seekers, anyway. I feel that is more true to her character.

 

I'm anti circle, and I don't like giving Vivienne that much power. So, no, for me on that end.

[durengo]

Cassie is my divine...true she follow more the old way but that keep the peace at the moment....otherwise iam her lover and she could be my puppet (like empress celene) into the future .. if i try to take the world domination.

 

vivienne as divine would be too dangerous and also the mercyless lelianna.......but both are a part of the inquisition like before and i like it.they are very useful for further plans 'evil grin'.

[Wulfram]

Leliana is all well and good , but she turns the Chantry into a toothless organisation.As long as the Inquisition is around , it's not a huge problem .But once this is over , there's no one to deal with magical trouble.

And if for example the Qunari invade , it's going to be a mess.

It's going to be up to each country to provide professional soldiers , and if you look at the history of the Blight , they don't get involved unless it happens on their territory or they want to invade the country in trouble in the long run.

 

If you look at the 5th Blight, the Chantry mostly got in the way.  What with the Knight Commander insisting that only a few mages could be sent to join the army.

[Boost32]

If you look at the 5th Blight, the Chantry mostly got in the way.  What with the Knight Commander insisting that only a few mages could be sent to join the army.

No one knew its was a Blight, when its proved, you can get the full support of the Circle.

[Wulfram]

No one knew its was a Blight, when its proved, you can get the full support of the Circle.

 

Being able to help only after one army has got wiped out and darkspawn are eating half of Fereldan, and your own Circle has been saved from the results of it's own screwed up nature... doesn't make me think this system is an asset to defence.  Particularly since it still keeps the Templars out of the fight.

[Akkos]

If you look at the 5th Blight, the Chantry mostly got in the way.  What with the Knight Commander insisting that only a few mages could be sent to join the army.

 

And this is one more reason for Vivienne to be divine.  I remember what Duncan said, in Fereldan circle about trained mages in the army. Something far from what free mage will be allowed to.

[Patchwork]

Softened Leliana, I like that she opens up the Chantry to other races and her not taking magic problems seriously enough opens up a role for the Inquisition and the reformed Seekers. 

 

If I could I would have made Mother Giselle Divine, she just makes more sense than a spy, a seeker or a mage. 

[Bizantura]

Leliana.  

[Boost32]

Being able to help only after one army has got wiped out and darkspawn are eating half of Fereldan, and your own Circle has been saved from the results of it's own screwed up nature... doesn't make me think this system is an asset to defence.  Particularly since it still keeps the Templars out of the fight.

Im not trying to defend them, Im just saying no one knew it was a Blight, if they knew they would lend every mages.
And the templars helped, you can talk to the mage ambassador and he will say the templars will help in the fight.

[Bad King]

For me, Leliana is the best woman for the job owing to her capabilities as a bard and spy master - she's politically shrewd with a good understanding of history, political relations and the Orlesian Game, she's very capable in the arts of diplomacy and flattery, she's ruthless when she needs to be, she has decent connections amongst the nobility and she's adept at controlling networks of spies. Her reforms in favour of other races are also highly desirable and undoubtedly will improve the outlook of the Chantry by providing different perspectives and ideas. The only thing I disagree with is her advocacy for total freedom for the mages, but conscripting them leads to the Bright Hand forming (as it does in Cassandra's ending) and opting to remain under the protection of the Inquisition.

 

Cassandra pushes for some good reforms, but after seeing how politically incapable she is throughout the game, I don't think she has the right attitude or personality for the job: while I see Leliana as being highly capable of holding the Chantry together through careful and clever diplomacy and/or ruthlessness, I can't see Cassandra being very good in keeping things united, and several of her endings suggest that rebellions occur, with one ending leading to the Inquisition being called in to help forge a peace deal.

 

Vivienne is highly shrewd, capable and indefatigable, but sadly her nature as a mage makes her IMO the worst candidate by default due to the disdain felt towards mages throughout southern Thedas. Having her as Divine isn't worth the cost in human life, particularly considering that she doesn't even change very much when compared to the other two candidates (despite change being desperately needed in the Chantry).