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[Inprea]

I've had Liliana and Cassandra. In my most recent play through I settled on Liliana not that I believe I had much choice in the matter. Letting the mages join the Inquisition as allies, letting the grey wardens join and making the impress play nice with her cousin and the elf pretty much guaranteed Liliana was going to get the chair.

 

She seems to be doing well and I believe is well suited to inspiring followers of the faith. The mages seem to be doing a good job of managing themselves and hopefully Cass will have the seekers reformed before too long. I think Viv is just miffed that she's going to have to work to rise in a new organization if she wants to grab power amongst her fellow mages.

[TK514]

Cassandra, to both questions.

[PillarBiter]

I accidentally made leliana the divine in my first playthrough, I was aiming for vivienne.

 

Cassandra just... no way. I mean, she is great 'n all, but she's too much of a brute to be divine. First fix the whole seeker thing, then we'll see.

 

Lelianna... hmm, maybe, but I much rather have someone who doesn't go for killing as a solution to everything. I need that kind of person for the inquisition

 

And vivienne... a lot of people think she's a cold heartless biatch. But she's really not. She's just calculated. And that is the absolute perfect person for divine. Plus, I really like her views about circles being necessary, although a little less repressed. 

 

So yeah. Viv for me. 

[Korva]

If I could I would have made Mother Giselle Divine, she just makes more sense than a spy, a seeker or a mage. 

 

She would have been my choice, too. In fact I was certain the game was setting her up as the next Divine. So much for that.

 

Of the candidates we do get, I am not really keen on any of them. Vivienne is out, I don't like or trust her, and I don't even know if she's a sincere believer or just wants power. Cassandra lives her faith and has some good ideas ... but very much can't stand politics, and sadly the Divine has to be a politician as much as a religious icon. Selfishly, I also don't want to lose her from the Inquisition. She's my Inquisitor's closest friend and confidant beside Cole, a great second in command, and I like the idea of her reforming the Seekers and bringing them to us.

 

That leaves softened Leliana. Who ... is a bit too "perfect" for my liking. Sure, she has faith and can play "the Game", but she seems to change so much without any real pushback. Besides, after all her personality changes, I'm not sure if I can trust her to stay stable this time, or if she'll go all Stabby McMurderpope the next time something unpleasant happens to her. And, again, I'd rather miss her if she was gone from the Inquisition, but on a personal level it wouldn't hurt as much as losing Cass.

[Lynas]

For my rp, Lelianna is the divine, cuz she creat a new "college" for mage, and change many things for the templar.

I don"t like Vivienne, she will restoring the cercle and control much harder the templar... i don't like it.

Cassandra why not, but i really don't see her to be divine. And she want to recreat the Seeker too, so i prefer her to focus on Seeker and let Lelianna be the divine

[TracyJackson]

I made all of them a Divine in my multiple playthroughs. But I think my main canon for DA4 will have Leliana as Divine of the Chantry.

 

All three of them have their strengths and weaknesses as a Divine, as some of their policies and leanings I probably would feel uneasy with. But I felt the Chantry needed some solid changes and having Leliana as a more liberal and change-minded Divine would be better in the long-run.

[ReiKokoFuuu]

softened leliana would be my first choice, although i do admit to a little bias there.  i support mages utterly and i like her vision.  besides that, i think that leliana's more worldly than cassandra and vivienne, due to her travels, the stories she knows as a bard.  she also plays the game well and with her experience as a spymaster, it'll be hard for anyone to topple her.

 

cassandra would be my second choice.  i love the idea that she hates the game and politics, yet she'd be right in the middle of it and she wouldn't care for any of it.  she just gets right to the point.

[The Baconer]

Vivienne. Hessarian reborn!

[Incantrix]

I nominated Vivienne but ultimately got hardened Lelianna. How did that happen? I do not understand....

[berelinde]

My characters have different priorities when it comes to encouraging the election.

 

Vivienne makes it clear from the outset that she supports the status quo, that she wants all the power to be in the hands of the Chantry... but she wants to be at the head of the Chantry, so that's one tiny change she'll allow. In other words, she's all in favor of a system that led to the current political crisis, she just wants to be in charge. I haven't had a character who supports her yet, but my one qunari seems to be leaning that way.

 

Cassandra wants to preserve the spirit of the Chantry, but she wants to reform it, rededicate it in its original purpose, to spread the Maker's word and see to the spiritual (and physical needs) of its constituents. Several of my characters like that idea.

 

Leliana wants to throw it all out and start over. She wants to change everything, to make the Chantry a refuge for all. She wants everyone to be free, even the mages. Most of my characters wind up supporting her policies.

[Nimlowyn]

Personally, I prefer Cassandra's approach, though my canon Divine will probably be softened Leliana. My canon Inquisitor is very much interested in a less aggressive Chantry, and to her, that means Leliana's in charge. 

[Bad King]

I nominated Vivienne but ultimately got hardened Lelianna. How did that happen? I do not understand....

 

The Divine election is determined on a points based system. Certain conversation options and decisions throughout the game will give or remove points relating a particular candidate e.g making an alliance with the mages gives Leliana points while Vivienne loses points. The nomination gives you a +10 point boost to the NPC selected, so while it increases an NPC's score, it doesn't guarantee their position as Divine.

[Bob Walker]

Cassandra is a more middle ground option, IMO. Plus, she is a wonderful person, with a good heart and ethics.

[noxpanda]

Eh my first playthrough (and still only complete one.. damn re-rolling!) i had no idea what influenced the decision and got a softened lelianna. I thought it sounded a bit like it was all a bit too idealistic and about to fall apart at any second, so i quite fancy trying another option, maybe ruthless lelianna, she can shiv all the things!!

 

To be honest i dont mind any of the 3 ruling, they all have a good list of pros and cons, though i do think it a little odd how viv can just kinda strongarm her way into the position and that no-one suggested Giselle, an actual cleric

[Boost32]

My two-cents for why I think Vivienne is the best Divine:

First - I dont believe mages should be free, across the series they did so much s*** and when they do their s*** it can last centuries or it will cause a lot of damage. The Blight was caused by 7 magisters, Werewolf curse was caused by Zatrhian, Connor raised the dead, Anders killed hundreds with his explosion, Solas gave his orbs to Corypheus who used it to open the Breach, etc. To me those death could be all prevented if they were being watched, so I will never agree with mages being free or watching themselves, look how good Fiona's rebels did watching their own, every dalish clan we met, have mages fuc*ing thing (Zatrhian and the Werewolf curse, Merrill/Marethari/Audacity debacle, Velanna on a killing spree, the clan that summoned Imshael and the in Inquisition a dalish mages kill himself with bloodmagic) and I dont even need to mention Tevinter (blood sacrifices. Blights, Lyrium marks, etc), because of this I will never agree with Leliana.

Second - I love the Templar Order, they are know as the "Champions of the Just", they are the first and the last line of defense of the Chantry, the common folk revere them for their feats, thay are responsible for bringing down Abomination, they were at the vanguard when a exalted march was called to fight against the Blights, the elves of the Dales, Tevinter empire and the Qunaris. They sacrifice their lives for the better of the people, they ingest Lyrium knowing of what it will do to them, I respect them and what they represent, I dont want them gone, so again Leliana is out of question. But Im not blind of their abuses, I think they should pay for their crimes and there is a need for better oversight to prevent abuses.

So its come down to two candidates, while I like Cassandra, I disagree with her standing with the mages ("let the mages govern themselves"), they proved they cant, and she is not good at politics, the Divine is a political job besides being a religious one.
Vivienne is perfect to me, she put mages back into the Circles, giving them more freedom and responsabilities, and leash the templars into her, preventig abuses from happening or templars doing what they did in the Hintherlands. In my ending (with the templars conscripted) some templars went back to the Order, those who went back know they will serve a mage, they are not mage haters, and neither will be the new recruits (if they hate mages, why serve one?),so its a time for a new Templars Order, one that will protect mages and mudanes alike from the danger of magic.

[Archdemon_Urthemiel]

If Cass can apparently make all he bad templas good, why is it so far-fetched that Leliana changes peoples minds?

Also, Cass is way too broad for me to choose her. Do Templars still watch mages or are they outside the circles? Do they still take Mage children away from their parents? What does Cass intend to do?

[Barquiel]

I think softened Leliana is the best divine...and I got softened Leliana. The Templar oppression did more harm than good, and Leliana is the only candidate who dissolves the Circles (I do think there needs to be some form of school that is mandatory for all young mages to attend. But, apart from that, they should be free...just like everyone else). I also like her racial equality thing, something Cassandra and Vivienne don't even address.

 

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[Archdemon_Urthemiel]

I think softened Leliana is the best divine...and I got softened Leliana. The Templar oppression did more harm than good, and Leliana is the only candidate who dissolves the Circles (I do think there needs to be some form of school that is mandatory for all young mages to attend. But, apart from that, they should be free...just like everyone else). I also like her racial equality thing, something Cassandra and Vivienne don't even address.
 
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This. As an elf player, the racial equality is another reason I support her. Cass and Vivienne don't even mention other races. It's like the Mage thin is the only thing people take from the choice

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

Best Divine is Cassandra, got Cassandra.

[stribies]

The hero of fereldan's dog.

[ebevan91]

I didn't "make" anyone the new Divine. Leliana became the new Divine by default I think. All I did was talk to Cassandra about it and I don't think we ever reached a decision there.

[Archdemon_Urthemiel]

Considering how she pretty much blames the mages for the breach at he start, her disapproving if you say you'll go to the mages, and her going on a drunken tirade blaming mages doesn't make me think she'll have the mages best interests at heart

[Disgruntled Canadian]

Cassandra is my preferred Divine. She's a good woman, has her heart in the right place, and doesn't have Leliana's ridiculously weak psyche that would bar me from EVER trusting her in a leadership role ever, and doesn't have Vivienne's dangerous amounts of ambition. She wants the role because she sees it as her duty. 

 

I also just like the sound of what she does. Steering the Chantry away from pomp and huge expenses on fancy BS, dedicating it to being a force of good charity. And I wholeheartedly trust Cassandra to do that. 

 

And yes, early in the game she said if she could change the Chantry she'd try to do away with the prejudice and make the Chantry be a good place to go for all, regardless of race. She does mention it. 

 

And on a more selfish note, my Warden romanced Leliana. They've been through a lot already, no way in heck I'm going to put her being Divine on top of that.  

[Cespar]

My two-cents for why I think Vivienne is the best Divine:

First - I dont believe mages should be free, across the series they did so much s*** and when they do their s*** it can last centuries or it will cause a lot of damage. The Blight was caused by 7 magisters, Werewolf curse was caused by Zatrhian, Connor raised the dead, Anders killed hundreds with his explosion, Solas gave his orbs to Corypheus who used it to open the Breach, etc. To me those death could be all prevented if they were being watched, so I will never agree with mages being free or watching themselves, look how good Fiona's rebels did watching their own, every dalish clan we met, have mages fuc*ing thing (Zatrhian and the Werewolf curse, Merrill/Marethari/Audacity debacle, Velanna on a killing spree, the clan that summoned Imshael and the in Inquisition a dalish mages kill himself with bloodmagic) and I dont even need to mention Tevinter (blood sacrifices. Blights, Lyrium marks, etc), because of this I will never agree with Leliana.

Second - I love the Templar Order, they are know as the "Champions of the Just", they are the first and the last line of defense of the Chantry, the common folk revere them for their feats, thay are responsible for bringing down Abomination, they were at the vanguard when a exalted march was called to fight against the Blights, the elves of the Dales, Tevinter empire and the Qunaris. They sacrifice their lives for the better of the people, they ingest Lyrium knowing of what it will do to them, I respect them and what they represent, I dont want them gone, so again Leliana is out of question. But Im not blind of their abuses, I think they should pay for their crimes and there is a need for better oversight to prevent abuses.

So its come down to two candidates, while I like Cassandra, I disagree with her standing with the mages ("let the mages govern themselves"), they proved they cant, and she is not good at politics, the Divine is a political job besides being a political one.
Vivienne is perfect to me, she put mages back into the Circles, giving them more freedom and responsabilities, and leash the templars into her, preventig abuses from happening or templars doing what they did in the Hintherlands. In my ending (with the templars conscripted) some templars went back to the Order, those who went back know they will serve a mage, they are not mage haters, and neither will be the new recruits (if they hate mages, why serve one?),so its a time for a new Templars Order, one that will protect mages and mudanes alike from the danger of magic.

This. But I supported Cassandra as the divine, because the strict system is what drove the mages to go "crazy" or in better term, the need to get away from a tight leash.

Cassandra's reformed ideas are the way to go for the mages.