Who did you make Divine, and who do you think is the best candidate for Divine?
#51
Posté 03 mars 2015 - 12:18
#52
Posté 03 mars 2015 - 12:26
I've gotten Leliana twice and Cassandra.
Leliana is the best choice. Mages free to run their own schools, Templars and Circles disbanded, Everyone represented in the Chantry if they chose.
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#53
Posté 03 mars 2015 - 12:32
Vivienne. I regret nominating Cassandra. For the outcome I got, it looks like she's in over her head and in danger because of it.
Vivienne would have crushed her opposition rather than engage in negotiations that go nowhere. Cassandra is a warrior and cold on the battlefield, but she's not a politician. Deep down she's too soft and questions herself too much.
My Inquisitor could use a strong ally on the Sunburst throne, one who will give anyone pause if they ever think to stand against the Inquisition. I think she'd find it in Vivienne. I know people doubt Vivienne's loyalty, but I do believe that Vivienne looks out for people who look out for her. Luckily, her interests are aligned with that of my Inquisitor, with whom she was good friends. I trust her not to screw over the Inquisition because she'd only be screwing herself and she's too smart for that. I trust Cassandra, too, but she's far more principled than self-preserving. If Cassandra she truly felt the maker willed it..whatever it is, she'd stand against anyone, including the Inquisitor.
Also, Cassandra more or less keeps the status quo with a few reforms. Vivienne does the same and allows mages more freedom/responsibility, but her being Divine sends a powerful message to Thedas that mages can lead and aren't the ultimate evil in the eyes of the Chantry. If we ever get a facial import thing, I plan on playing my quiz again for my NM run and nominating Vivienne.
Until, then, I have to comfort myself with the knowledge that my quiz's Inquisition will become the single biggest power in Southern Thedas if the Chantry implodes under Cassandra's reign.
Leliana was pretty much the worst choice and I trust her the least. I barely trust her as my spymaster. As Divine, she would have no loyalty to my quiz if push came to shove and their ideologies clashed. And they would definitely clash.
#54
Posté 03 mars 2015 - 12:59
Well Leliana can never turn against you me both versions of her say she'll need your advice in the years to come but that's your choiceVivienne. I regret nominating Cassandra. For the outcome I got, it looks like she's in over her head and in danger because of it.
Vivienne would have crushed her opposition rather than engage in negotiations that go nowhere. Cassandra is a warrior and cold on the battlefield, but she's not a politician. Deep down she's too soft and questions herself too much.
My Inquisitor could use a strong ally on the Sunburst throne, one who will give anyone pause if they ever think to stand against the Inquisition. I think she'd find it in Vivienne. I know people doubt Vivienne's loyalty, but I do believe that Vivienne looks out for people who look out for her. Luckily, her interests are aligned with that of my Inquisitor, with whom she was good friends. I trust her not to screw over the Inquisition because she'd only be screwing herself and she's too smart for that. I trust Cassandra, too, but she's far more principled than self-preserving. If Cassandra she truly felt the maker willed it..whatever it is, she'd stand against anyone, including the Inquisitor.
Also, Cassandra more or less keeps the status quo with a few reforms. Vivienne does the same and allows mages more freedom/responsibility, but her being Divine sends a powerful message to Thedas that mages can lead and aren't the ultimate evil in the eyes of the Chantry. If we ever get a facial import thing, I plan on playing my quiz again for my NM run and nominating Vivienne.
Until, then, I have to comfort myself with the knowledge that my quiz's Inquisition will become the single biggest power in Southern Thedas if the Chantry implodes under Cassandra's reign.
Leliana was pretty much the worst choice and I trust her the least. I barely trust her as my spymaster. As Divine, she would have no loyalty to my quiz if push came to shove and their ideologies clashed. And they would definitely clash.
#55
Posté 03 mars 2015 - 01:39
I got a softened Leliana to be divine. To me, there just isn't a better in-game option.
Though if I ever got the option, then I would split up all the towns of thedas and turn them into city states. Democracy without a government just isn't plausible on a larger scale.
- jambulance aime ceci
#56
Posté 03 mars 2015 - 02:09
I think Leliana is the best choice.
#57
Posté 03 mars 2015 - 02:09
I think Leliana is the best choice.
#58
Posté 03 mars 2015 - 02:33
Barry, I've never met you before in my life.
#59
Posté 03 mars 2015 - 02:57
I don't think whoever I make Divine is going to matter in the long-term future, since it's more likely Mythal will end up controlling whatever group we allied with or conscripted to help battle whoever's butt she wants to kick in the final game. The Divine will either be swept up into it or killed trying to stop it.
#60
Posté 03 mars 2015 - 03:13
I think Cassandra's chantry is the wisest form. There definitely needs to be reform but I think Leliana goes too far too quickly, I don't see her chantry as being very stable. Unfortunately I don't believe that Cass has enough political savvy to be a great divine, for all her commitment to evolving that chantry, she isn't prepared to deal with the bureaucracy that plagues the organization. Vivienne was definitely born for the role, but her ideas are waaaaay to conservative. As it is, the circle system doesn't work. Giving the mages and templars a smack on the wrist and telling them to do better next time is not a solution.
So Cass > Viv > Leliana
#61
Posté 03 mars 2015 - 03:26
Use to be Cassandra, however I started to peel back the layers (as it were) and analyze it from all sides.
Vivienne was a BIG no. This viper does not deserve the Sunburst throne let alone her reforms are too drastic. Having her on the throne is going to cause more problems than solutions. I view her reign as no better than a tyrant. I have a feeling The Crows are going to have many contracts coming in from all corners of Thedas to assassinate her.
Cassandra tries to reform the ways of old but also adding in some new. While this sounds good, in the long run I feel as though it will cause The Chantry to come under a great deal of strain and eventually collapse-again. Cassandra uses her faith to make choices and while that can be good some times, most other times it can led to disaster.
Lilly was my choice. The Chantry needs to be wiped cleaned and start anew. You cannot go back to the way things were, nor can you use an iron fist to drive fear into people’s hearts. The Chantry should allow other races, they should allow mages to be free-these are but a few steps in the right direction. The Chantry needs to survive but it can only do so with change.
- LostInReverie19 aime ceci
#62
Posté 03 mars 2015 - 04:05
So far, only Vivienne.
The best candidate? Softened Leliana. If only for the status quo of the southern Chantry.
#63
Posté 03 mars 2015 - 04:15
Now, how is Leliana broken? Years of working as a bard & than Justinians Assassin has left her without any moral compass & a divine needs a moral compass. Not only that but she is too quick to tear down centuries of chantry tradition, the moment after theclosing of the breach & the banishment of Coraphias is not the time to completely change the chantry.
As for Vivianne. She is only using the position of Devine to get more power & reinstate the circles. She doesn't care about anything other than those things. So she is a big no, no for the Sun Burst Throne.
Anyway, sorry for rambling on. Iv just been thinking about this for a while.
TL;DR: Cassandra is the best canon choice as Devine.
- Regan_Cousland aime ceci
#64
Posté 03 mars 2015 - 04:23
Leliana
#65
Posté 03 mars 2015 - 01:29
But I honestly think Cassandra would be best. She seems the one most passionate about wanting to reform the Chantry and make it about helping people again, but she reinstates the Circles, and I can't have that.
#66
Posté 03 mars 2015 - 02:59
Barry, I've never met you before in my life.
Sadness.
#67
Posté 03 mars 2015 - 06:41
Cassandra was my pick. Since she has nothing better to do anyway, might as well clean up the Chantry. Leliana has to oversee her spy network and continue her work behind the scenes. I didn't know Vivienne was a possible choice - that might have been a hard one. She'd be good as well, but her views on keeping mages neat and tidy in towers... Yea I still think Cassandra is the best choice.
#68
Posté 03 mars 2015 - 07:15
Sadness.
More's the pity ![]()
#69
Posté 03 mars 2015 - 07:17
I've done 3 complete play throughs, and I chose a different Divine each time. First, I had unhardened Leliana, then Cassandra, and then finally did a Vivienne as Divine play through. My current and canon play through will have hardened Leliana as Divine. I know. XD
My favorite Divine is softened Leliana. The Chantry needs to change. Leliana has the best chance at making a newer, brighter Thedas that is more equal for all, not just mundane humans.
- Cantina aime ceci
#70
Posté 03 mars 2015 - 09:36
I wanted to tell the Chantry to **** themselves, but decided to throw Leliana to them.
Good riddance to the murdering Psychopath ![]()
#71
Posté 03 mars 2015 - 09:51
Yeah Cass is not politician material. But she will have advisers. My inquisitor hates politics too but he has Josie to handle a lot of the BS. Leliana is best as a spymaster, not the head. As for Viv, I'm not playing this whole game for a return to status quo.
#72
Posté 03 mars 2015 - 09:59
In 4 playthroughs i`ve chosen:
1st playthrough: Cassandra
2nd playthrough: unhardened Leliana
3rd playthrough: unhardened Leliana
4th playthrough: Vivienne
For me unhardened Leliana it`s the best choice cause the Chantry can start anew, the Circles are disbanded and other races can be part of it if they chose.
#73
Posté 03 mars 2015 - 11:54
Leliana opens the chantry to all races but I thought Cassandra wanted to do the same? Cassandra had this whole spiel about Varric being Andrastian yet he wouldn't set foot in a chantry. She wanted to change that. So in effect, she also wanted to open it to all races but it doesn't seem like she does when she becomes Divine.
While a softened Leliana seems the most peaceful choice something about Vivienne becoming divine seems more interesting to pursue. First of all, I feel like I can keep Cassandra and Leliana as my right and left hands. Second, I think she has the best drive for it and she's seems like the one who really wants it. Most people think it's bad she reinstates the circles but I'm picturing something more similar to Tevinter's circles in that mages are "freer" in a sense, it does say they quickly rise up the ranks. And although she does rule with an iron fist, I believe that to be about her having zero tolerance for anything to do with possibly becoming an abomination and practicing blood magic which is why she holds a firm leash on the Templars to keep the Mages in line. She's the most devout in her belief that magic must serve man not rule over him. Also like Justinia, she cleverly played the game to get her spot maybe we could say that about Leliana too but she seemed more adept and subtle about her intentions than Leliana. Cassandra kinda got thrown into it. Vivienne's a wild card as a Divine. You're only aware of Cassandra and Leliana. Aside from the Inquisitor's support I'm still wondering how she was able to get a vote. Does the Council of Heralds hold some power over the Chantry? That's the only card I see her playing really after cozying up to the Duke's sister and son.
IMO Cassandra couldn't handle the pressures of being Divine I'd rather her reform the seekers and Leliana I don't want her to be Divine because it paints a bullseye on her back not that she couldn't take care of herself but I want her as my spymaster!
#74
Posté 04 mars 2015 - 04:44
Man, what's with everyone going with unhardened Leliana?
Too many Paragons here ![]()
- Fireheart aime ceci
#75
Posté 04 mars 2015 - 04:52
Man, what's with everyone going with unhardened Leliana?
Too many Paragons here
Because she's embodies the most ideals of modern thinking. To be frank, I wanted her to be the divine as well, but I ended up with Cassandra, which I don't mind. As long as it's not Vivienne. The mechanics behind who's chosen as Divine is kind of silly. Your private conversations should hold no sway towards the election. It's not like the Chantry has been listening in on what I've been saying. From what I gathered, you had to be pretty anti-Chantry in your dialogue to have Leliana selected. I mostly spoke about reform so I ended up with Cassandra, despite the fact that I allied with the Mages and Wardens. I also don't like the fact that Leliana is doesn't give you the option to support her as Divine until the last missions, so I gravitated towards Cass by default since she was the only one to ask me for support at the time.
- Regan_Cousland aime ceci





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