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[congokong]

I played a dalish elf and some confusion occurred.

 

First, apparently at some point there is supposed to be a war table mission called Investigate Duke Antoine of Wycome. This never triggered the entire game. When Protect Clan Lavellan appeared previous I chose Cullen's route. According to the wiki choosing either Cullen or Leliana would trigger Invesigate Duke Antoine of Wycome later. All game I kept wondering if I'd get more clan-related quests yet nothing ever came. Later I learned if I had the misfortune of choosing Josephine for Protect Clan Lavellan they all die. Dodged a bullet there.

 

More curious, at some point at Skyhold I got the war table operation Break Venatori Hold on Wycome and chose Josephine, which resulted in an alienage being purged with the dalish being next. I didn't know what dalish they referred to and never got another quest. So I went through the game not really knowing what happened to clan Lavellan. After some research I learned of my clan's potential missions and how one wrong move would annihilate them.

 

Protect Clan Lavellan- Choose Josephine and the clan dies

Investigate Duke Antoine of Wycome- Choose Leliana and the clan dies

Stop Purge of Wycome's Elves- Choose Cullen and the clan dies

Protect Clan Lavellan and Wycome- Choose Josephine and the clan dies

Break Venatori Hold on Wycome- Choose Josephine and the clan apparently dies

Restore Order in Wycome- Choose Cullen and the clan dies

 

Does Bioware just hate dalish clans? Every game there's an opportunity to wipe them out, and this one requires a bloody miracle not to. Even worse, there's no in-game dialogue that the Inquisitor's clan was murdered, nor any way to avenge them. Additionally strange, would people think committing mass genocide on the Inquisitor's clan would be a smart move?

[Archdemon_Urthemiel]

It's not a dragon age fame unless you can kill a clan. ( I lost them too )

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

A genocide a game keeps the Dalish awa- **** I used that one already.

[LadyLaLa]

I wouldn't say it's a miracle, but you need to use common sense and read your advisors' suggestions. They're usually pretty clear which is right and which is wrong.

 

As for everything else, I totally agree. One day, the Dalish are going to get sick of being slaughtered and take over Thedas, just you wait.

[congokong]

I wouldn't say it's a miracle, but you need to use common sense and read your advisors' suggestions. They're usually pretty clear which is right and which is wrong.

 

They're not always common sense. For Break Venatori Hold on Wycome I didn't want to kill someone out of suspicion without proof. It horribly backfires of course, but I wasn't playing a ruthless "better safe than sorry" type.

[Han Yolo]

I found this chain of missions terrible. If you gonna slaughter the whole family of the protagonist, then let it be recognised by the game. Comments, condolences, stuff like that. Otherwise leave it out. 

[p3891]

I wish I could remember the chain of events I took but I think in my Lavellan playthrough my clan made it through it all alive?

[vertigomez]

The whole "disposable elves" thing is getting pretty stale.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Well dalish aren't of course devs favorite considering their buttmonkey status , their dic**** and well that everything they belive is pretty much lie.

[congokong]

It's not a dragon age fame unless you can kill a clan. ( I lost them too )

But did I lose my clan though? The only Dalish quests I got were Contact Clan Lavellan and Protect Clan Lavellan. Apparently Break Venatori Hold on Wycome is dalish related since I got the mission summary below for choosing Josephine.

 

Nightingale,

The diplomat was right, for all the good it did her. The Tevinter advisor was Venatori, and the illness affecting the humans in the city was evidently due to the Venatori planting red lyrium in the wells used by the humans.

Lady Guinevere got this information to me shortly before she was eliminated. I am attempting to remove myself from the area, but am unsure whether I will be successful. The nobles of Wycome have mobilized their forces. They have killed the elves of Wycome's alienage, and are marching upon the Dalish as well, convinced that their red lyrium sickness is actually some sort of elven curse.

If I survive, I will be in contact. If not, I urge you to burn all contacts in Wycome. The well is poisoned—literally, in this case.

Jester

 

This doesn't bode well. Did all Lavellan's clan die? Absurd if so. She'd send an army to slaughter those nobles in vengeance.

[Delphine]

Protect Clan Lavellan- Choose Josephine and the clan dies
Investigate Duke Antoine of Wycome- Choose Leliana and the clan dies
Stop Purge of Wycome's Elves- Choose Cullen and the clan dies
Protect Clan Lavellan and Wycome- Choose Josephine and the clan dies
Break Venatori Hold on Wycome- Choose Josephine and the clan apparently dies
Restore Order in Wycome- Choose Cullen and the clan dies

Does Bioware just hate dalish clans? Every game there's an opportunity to wipe them out, and this one requires a bloody miracle not to. Even worse, there's no in-game dialogue that the Inquisitor's clan was murdered, nor any way to avenge them. Additionally strange, would people think committing mass genocide on the Inquisitor's clan would be a smart move?

I agree that this particular chain of war table quests was of very poor taste. It's as if they wanted them all to die for the fun of it, and making it real difficult for anyone caring enough to save them. Even more difficult for it to be ever mentioned anywhere else during the game, as I would suspect my Dalish Inquisitor not being real pleased about any slaughter outcome, and wanting questions answered and people judged if that was the case.

Anyway, on my second playthrough, I just followed the Dragon Age Wikia to get all the answers right, but to this day, I don't know why the hell they thought these missions would be a good idea. Like, why? Are they just sadists hating on the Dalish? Ugh.

This doesn't bode well. Did all Lavellan's clan die? Absurd if so.

I think you did yeah.

[Icy Magebane]

You definitely need a good amount of luck to in order to keep them alive on your first playthrough... either that or a strategy guide.  Now, I happen to count myself as lucky... even though I thought I was making good decisions with the advisors I sent, looking around these forums showed me just how easily things could have gone wrong.  Personally, I think that something of this level of importance should not have even been possible on a simple War Table mission... especially since nobody in Skyhold even cares if the clan gets wiped out.  Like I said, this didn't happen in my game so I'm not really sure, but does the Inquisitor even care?

[EmissaryofLies]

 

Does Bioware just hate dalish clans? 

 

More than anything else, mon ami.

 

More than anything else.

[congokong]

I think you did yeah.

No... No! I had it all head-canoned. She never wanted to be part of the Inquisition and wanted to return to the forests with her people once this was all over. Now they're all dead and there's not a single mention of it in-game. Why do this to me, Bioware?!

[Eliastion]

Yeah, you killed your clan...

But I must disagree that it was hard to guess that it was a bad decision. Look at the mission text:

 

Spoiler

Ambassador Montilyet,

It has been my pleasure to meet Duke Antoine of Wycome and pay my respects on behalf of the Inquisition. The duke is a most friendly man. Indeed, I dare say he thinks the best of everyone, and has advisors from as far away as Tevinter!

 

Duke Antoine assures me that he wishes the Inquisition well, and will offer us military support as soon as his city has recovered from a strange disease that has spread through most of the human population, though the elves in the alienage are thus far unaffected. This illness may explain why bandits were able to operate so close to Wycome with impunity: all the nobles and most of the soldiers have been weakened.

 

Any concerns I have raised, he say, can wait until then. The duke's Tevinter advisor has indicated an eagerness to make my acquaintance, and it is becoming increasingly difficult to resist such a tempting offer.

 

Yours in haste,

Lady Guinevere Volant

You got a coded message that the Duke is collaborating with Venatori and your diplomat is in hurry to send you this info. The mission is called "Break venatori hold on Wycome" and you have an option to take out the agent (Leliana's path description kindly deciphers the warning for you, even). And you've seen what happens if Venatori agents are left to their own devices in Redcliffe.

And yet you left your diplomat to fend for herself in this situation. What did you expect, really?

[Delphine]

No... No! I had it all head-canoned. She never wanted to be part of the Inquisition and wanted to return to the forests with her people once this was all over. Now they're all dead and there's not a single mention of it in-game. Why do this to me, Bioware?!

 

Reload a save somewhere, and do it all over again with the help of guides? But yeah, I know it's a bummer.

[congokong]

Yeah, you killed your clan...

But I must disagree that it was hard to guess that it was a bad decision. Look at the mission text:

 

Spoiler

Ambassador Montilyet,

It has been my pleasure to meet Duke Antoine of Wycome and pay my respects on behalf of the Inquisition. The duke is a most friendly man. Indeed, I dare say he thinks the best of everyone, and has advisors from as far away as Tevinter!

 

Duke Antoine assures me that he wishes the Inquisition well, and will offer us military support as soon as his city has recovered from a strange disease that has spread through most of the human population, though the elves in the alienage are thus far unaffected. This illness may explain why bandits were able to operate so close to Wycome with impunity: all the nobles and most of the soldiers have been weakened.

 

Any concerns I have raised, he say, can wait until then. The duke's Tevinter advisor has indicated an eagerness to make my acquaintance, and it is becoming increasingly difficult to resist such a tempting offer.

 

Yours in haste,

Lady Guinevere Volant

You got a coded message that the Duke is collaborating with Venatori and your diplomat is in hurry to send you this info. The mission is called "Break venatori hold on Wycome" and you have an option to take out the agent (Leliana's path description kindly deciphers the warning for you, even). And you've seen what happens if Venatori agents are left to their own devices in Redcliffe.

And yet you left your diplomat to fend for herself in this situation. What did you expect, really?

I can't tell when nobles are being upfront, hinting at something, whatever in this game. And I thought Leliana was just being paranoid because she's kind of a nutter. There are times Josephine, Leliana, and Cullen give terrible advice and/or make hasty assumptions. I just assumed Leliana believed this women believed the man was Venatori and we should just kill him to be safe.

[congokong]

Reload a save somewhere, and do it all over again with the help of guides? But yeah, I know it's a bummer.

There's no real point to redo like 30+ hours of gameplay just to see a different wall of text in the war room that has absolutely no bearing on anything. I'll just have to head-canon something. This whole situation with the clan is ridiculous anyway.

[Patchwork]

I think there's a way to kill you clan in every war table mission for that origin, BW treat the dalish as disposable but this goes too far even for them.

 

After playing Lavellan I did a Trevalyn run where I just picked an advisor at random, I wasn't going to kill her family off so why not send whoever. 

[Vit246]

Back when Origins was released, did so many people apparently picked to side with the werewolves and massacre the Dalish clan that it somehow became a "tradition" to kill a clan per game?

I always picked the third option.

[congokong]

I think there's a way to kill you clan in every war table mission for that origin, BW treat the dalish as disposable but this goes too far even for them.

 

Well, in "Contact Clan Lavellan" if you choose Cullen only some of the Dalish die.

[The Hierophant]

Well, in "Contact Clan Lavellan" if you choose Cullen only some of the Dalish die.

This is just sad.

[dgcatanisiri]

Seriously, Inquisition was a running tally of 'we hate the Dalish' on BioWare's part. Two elven companions, both of whom hate the Dalish, this BS war table chain that can get the entire clan wiped out, retconning the Dalish to essentially abandon or 'dispose' of any mage children if they have too many, despite DA2's codex having said that magic is dying out for them and that they move magical children around amongst themselves to preserve that magic and their heritage, learning that elves attacked a human settlement which 'justifies' the Exalted March on the Dales, and then everything at the Well of Sorrows...

 

Basically, Inquisition ends up being a game all about kicking the Dalish around for no good reason and even on a basis that contradicts previous games, and I'm really kind of pissed off about it.

[Xilizhra]

Seriously, Inquisition was a running tally of 'we hate the Dalish' on BioWare's part. Two elven companions, both of whom hate the Dalish, this BS war table chain that can get the entire clan wiped out, retconning the Dalish to essentially abandon or 'dispose' of any mage children if they have too many, despite DA2's codex having said that magic is dying out for them and that they move magical children around amongst themselves to preserve that magic and their heritage, learning that elves attacked a human settlement which 'justifies' the Exalted March on the Dales, and then everything at the Well of Sorrows...

 

Basically, Inquisition ends up being a game all about kicking the Dalish around for no good reason and even on a basis that contradicts previous games, and I'm really kind of pissed off about it.

One of them's a self-serving saboteur and the other one's mind gets to be broken over the elven gods, the Dalish mage policy only refers to two clans, and the main problem with the Dales Exalted March had always been the humans' grossly disproportionate response. And the elven gods at least exist, unlike the Maker, who functionally does not, even if he can't be proven to not exist at all. I won't deny that the Dalish were presented badly, but it's not all bad news if you stay optimistic.

[congokong]

Seriously, Inquisition was a running tally of 'we hate the Dalish' on BioWare's part. Two elven companions, both of whom hate the Dalish, this BS war table chain that can get the entire clan wiped out, retconning the Dalish to essentially abandon or 'dispose' of any mage children if they have too many, despite DA2's codex having said that magic is dying out for them and that they move magical children around amongst themselves to preserve that magic and their heritage, learning that elves attacked a human settlement which 'justifies' the Exalted March on the Dales, and then everything at the Well of Sorrows...

 

Basically, Inquisition ends up being a game all about kicking the Dalish around for no good reason and even on a basis that contradicts previous games, and I'm really kind of pissed off about it.

Well done. You've really summarized the butchery of the dalish in DA:I.  You left out how their vallasin are actually slave markings.