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[heretica]

I noticed something funny:
 
 

Posted: February 9, 2015
 
‘Dragon Age: Inquisition’ First DLC Release Now In Development' 


Read more at http://www.inquisitr...UfkgRqFHgd2P.99

 
 

Posted: March 3, 2015

Regardless of who is at fault for the apparent miscommunication, Dragon Age: Inquisition fans should now know that the Black Emporium is currently still in development, but BioWare has not yet revealed when or how the content will eventually be released. 
 

Read more at http://www.inquisitr...cduXoPMSeB0.99 

 

 

[Zatche]

I agree. They obviously knew everyone concluded the BE was in the patch, yet they never bothered clarifying the situation until yesterday after the fact. What gives?

If that isn't bad PR, I don't know what is.

I'm not sure they did know. I'm not sure how closely Laidlaw and Darrah follow the Forums or the IGN articles that cover their own announcements. I doubt they have people dedicated towards looking and making sure the community as a whole has 100% accurate information (maybe they should). Were people asking on Twitter to clarify two weeks ago? I had assumed they clarified only when they were directly asked when Patch 5 came out.

I'm remembering prerelease, I don't think they corrected the press regarding Nevarra until people asked on Twitter.

[cronshaw]

But the wording was fine "Patch 5 Beta Program, Featuring the Black Emporium"  Which means it's part of the Beta Program not the patch, and it even expands in the article saying people signing up to beta test get access to the Emporium.  That indicates that it is separate from the beta that is being tested.

 

Hell a different person has pointed this out on every page of this thread.

I'm going to leave this here

[LinksOcarina]

But the wording was fine "Patch 5 Beta Program, Featuring the Black Emporium"  Which means it's part of the Beta Program not the patch, and it even expands in the article saying people signing up to beta test get access to the Emporium.  That indicates that it is separate from the beta that is being tested.

 

Hell a different person has pointed this out on every page of this thread.

 

The issue is the wording in this case is ambiguous.

 

Kind of like a poorly worded question almost, if people don't understand the question, it's simply a bad one in the end that shouldn't be used.  I get that the interpretation of what is being said is true. I agree that it is separate and the wording said so.

 

the problem is it says that without saying it, it's inferred that the interpretation will be understood, and we know it wasn't by the vast majority.

 

what's done is done, the point though is that it was simply poorly worded, regardless of what people believe. If it wasn't, this thread would not exist. Simple as that.

[Dolfanar]

If the BE is not for free then I hope it brings out new content like new hairstyles or a couple of armors/weapons. Otherwise, as much as I want to retouch my Trevelyan I'm not paying $5-10 just to change hair color and voice. The idea is ridiculous.  

 

 

BINGO

 

The initial announcement was poorly worded, and nearly everybody interpreted it as meaning TBE was to be bundled with Patch 5. I'll be glad to retract that if I can be pointed to a significant volume of people not interpreting as such.

 

But it wasn't intentional... if it was then the person who wrote that should be fired immediately, as it is PR poison. No, I'm sure it was incompetence.

 

All of the above is irrelevant though, and Catt128 has it 100% right. If this ends up being paid content, the question is what is it worth. I finished the game already. Why would I pay money to customize a character for whom I have no more content to play with? If I knew there was a 30-40 hour DLC expansion coming then maybe, but otherwise no...

[cronshaw]

The issue is the wording in this case is ambiguous.

 

Kind of like a poorly worded question almost, if people don't understand the question, it's simply a bad one in the end that shouldn't be used.  I get that the interpretation of what is being said is true. I agree that it is separate and the wording said so.

 

the problem is it says that without saying it, it's inferred that the interpretation will be understood, and we know it wasn't by the vast majority.

 

what's done is done, the point though is that it was simply poorly worded, regardless of what people believe. If it wasn't, this thread would not exist. Simple as that.

Here's the thing even if the wording in the blog title is ambiguous and I don't conceded that it is, reading the actual blog post confirms exactly what "features" the Black Emporium.

Here is the title of the post

"Introducing the DAI Patch 5 Beta Program, Featuring the Black Emporium" [my emphasis added]

Now read the post after two introductory paragraphs about the patching process we have this

"Enter the Patch 5 beta program."

now any misunderstanding about what exactly is featuring the Black Emporium should no longer be possible since that is the exact same noun phrase used in the title

There is even more, later on we have this gem:

"As part of the beta, participants will have access to the Black Emporium"

"as part of the beta"

So really can't bring myself to take anyone seriously who says they thought Black Emporium was being released with Patch 5

since reading a couple hundred words would have cleared that up for all but the most obtuse or disingenuous 

[Zatche]

BINGO

The initial announcement was poorly worded, and nearly everybody interpreted it as meaning TBE was to be bundled with Patch 5. I'll be glad to retract that if I can be pointed to a significant volume of people not interpreting as such.

But it wasn't intentional... if it was then the person who wrote that should be fired immediately, as it is PR poison. No, I'm sure it was incompetence.

While I recognize that a large number of people misinterpreted the words, I'm not willing to call it incompetence on part of the writer. They didn't have the foresight to think about how people don't read anything thoroughly anymore. We can see it now, but hindsight is 20/20.

And they're not the only ones. I don't know how many times I've read an article and skipped down to see way too many comments by people who read the title, the first two sentences, and totally missed what the writer was actually saying.

[fizzypop]

If this many people misinterpreted what you were saying then you have to assume that YOU are the one that made the mistake. Bioware should hire someone to actually write their messages clearly. I would gladly do it for them for a very low fee. I have plenty of time. Bioware consider it. Of course my assumption is that they wanted that message to be misinterpreted because they themselves weren't sure of release. I wish they would just say that instead of all the games I ****** hate the games. Fans aren't children we can understand if you aren't sure on release. That's okay to admit. Now give me my goddamn mirror.

[LinksOcarina]

Here's the thing even if the wording in the blog title is ambiguous and I don't conceded that it is, reading the actual blog post confirms exactly what "features" the Black Emporium.

Here is the title of the post

"Introducing the DAI Patch 5 Beta Program, Featuring the Black Emporium" [my emphasis added]

Now read the post after two introductory paragraphs about the patching process we have this

"Enter the Patch 5 beta program."

now any misunderstanding about what exactly is featuring the Black Emporium should no longer be possible since that is the exact same noun phrase used in the title

There is even more, later on we have this gem:

"As part of the beta, participants will have access to the Black Emporium"

"as part of the beta"

So really can't bring myself to take anyone seriously who says they thought Black Emporium was being released with Patch 5

since reading a couple hundred words would have cleared that up for all but the most obtuse or disingenuous 

 

Really doesn't matter in the end what you believe, you know. I'm simply stating a fact of what actually happened.

 

That seems to be the part people forget...but whatever, people once again fail to see the big picture like always. 

[cronshaw]

Really doesn't matter in the end what you believe, you know. I'm simply stating a fact of what actually happened.

 

That seems to be the part people forget...but whatever, people once again fail to see the big picture like always. 

You stated a couple things, do you want to be a little less ambiguous and state which "fact" you are referring to.

Interestingly enough it doesn't really matter that some people misunderstood a perfectly clear blog post

if you want to get big picture

 

Edit: I just realized you may be using the word "fact" here to refer to your entire synopsis of the events

In which case the use of the definite article "the" instead of the indefinite article "a" to modify "fact" would have been a little less ambiguous 

[cronshaw]

If this many people misinterpreted what you were saying then you have to assume that YOU are the one that made the mistake. Bioware should hire someone to actually write their messages clearly. I would gladly do it for them for a very low fee. I have plenty of time. Bioware consider it. Of course my assumption is that they wanted that message to be misinterpreted because they themselves weren't sure of release. I wish they would just say that instead of all the games I ****** hate the games. Fans aren't children we can understand if you aren't sure on release. That's okay to admit. Now give me my goddamn mirror.

That is just flat out erroneous 

as if large numbers of people can't be wrong

[Poisd2Strike]

But the wording was fine "Patch 5 Beta Program, Featuring the Black Emporium"  Which means it's part of the Beta Program not the patch, and it even expands in the article saying people signing up to beta test get access to the Emporium.  That indicates that it is separate from the beta that is being tested.

 

Hell a different person has pointed this out on every page of this thread.

 

No. All we can logically conclude is that Patch 5 Beta testers will have access to The Black Emporium.  We cannot logically conclude that The Black Emporium either will or will not be included in Patch 5, based solely upon the words "Patch 5 Beta Program, Featuring the Black Emporium".  That statement does not explicitly state TBE would not be included as part of Patch 5, nor does it explicitly state TBE would be included as part of Patch 5.  Bioware could have easily removed any ambiguity if a disclaimer had been included that stated something like the following:  DISCLAIMER:  The Black Emporium will be available to Patch 5 Beta testers but will not be included in Patch 5.

[AlanC9]

That is just flat out erroneous 
as if large numbers of people can't be wrong

Sure, they can be wrong. But if you're writing Bio's blog, you're supposed to keep the readers from getting things wrong. That's the job.

[Fredward]

That is just flat out erroneous 

as if large numbers of people can't be wrong

 

A large group of people can indeed be wrong. Now the question becomes why  is a large group (including some media sites and gaming journalists) wrong? It it because we're all idiots? Or is it because Bioware communicates in a way that encourages confusion?

[DanteYoda]

I noticed something funny:
 
 

 
 

 

Well this is not going to end well is it..

This seems very clear to me

I'm not sure what exactly people are misunderstanding

Clear as mud.

[MaxQuartiroli]

What if BE won't be a stand-alone DLC but an addition that will come together with the first story DLC?

In that case they could always tell you that you are paying for the DLC, and that the BE is just a bonus. How would people do react in that case?

[KaiserShep]

How would people do react in that case?

 

Most likely complain.

[Chardonney]

What if BE won't be a stand-alone DLC but an addition that will come together with the first story DLC?

In that case they could always tell you that you are paying for the DLC, and that the BE is just a bonus. How would people do react in that case?

 

At this point I'm so tired of waiting, that I would happily pay just to get the darn thing in my game.

[Dinkledorf]

Be as it may and whereas is not in conflict with past or future announcements in written or other form of communication by or by not an officer of the "corporation" unless otherwise stated in said future or past communication, we are pleased to announce The DAI Patch 5 Beta Program, Featuring the Black Emporium which is not to be confused or otherwise misconstrued as being binding or suggestive of inclusion in separate or combined form in any previous, current, unknown, potential or as yet undetermined packaging media, distribution form nor associated with or lack thereof, of any monetary value or compensation in any form.

[LinksOcarina]

What if BE won't be a stand-alone DLC but an addition that will come together with the first story DLC?

In that case they could always tell you that you are paying for the DLC, and that the BE is just a bonus. How would people do react in that case?

 

Honestly, makes the most sense. 

 

Makes me wonder where they are going for DLC as well...the first guess is Kirkwall and the Free Marches...

[MaxQuartiroli]

Honestly, makes the most sense. 

 

Makes me wonder where they are going for DLC as well...the first guess is Kirkwall and the Free Marches...

 

Very likely if that's really the case, considering the location of BE

[fizzypop]

That is just flat out erroneous 

as if large numbers of people can't be wrong

The whole point of language and communication is to communicate so that most people understand. If most people don't then the whole point is lost. If you want your point to be heard then you need to adjust to your audience. I mean this is public speaking 101 here. This isn't about being right or wrong this is about knowing how to communicate effectively to your audience if you can't do that, you're fucked. They fucked up. Frankly, if they can't see how that could have been misinterpreted then whoever wrote it is dumber than I am giving them credit for, but hey who knows.

[Fiery Phoenix]

If this many people misinterpreted what you were saying then you have to assume that YOU are the one that made the mistake. Bioware should hire someone to actually write their messages clearly. I would gladly do it for them for a very low fee. I have plenty of time. Bioware consider it. Of course my assumption is that they wanted that message to be misinterpreted because they themselves weren't sure of release. I wish they would just say that instead of all the games I ****** hate the games. Fans aren't children we can understand if you aren't sure on release. That's okay to admit. Now give me my goddamn mirror.

I've thought of this. It's possible they weren't sure what the release date would be internally and ended up mixing it together with the patch news.

 

Either way, still inadequately communicated.

[fizzypop]

Honestly, makes the most sense. 

 

Makes me wonder where they are going for DLC as well...the first guess is Kirkwall and the Free Marches...

Don't tease me like this guys. Cuz then I start getting wild ideas like maybe it is the content they were saying that they wanted to include, but didn't have the time too. I will be so disappointed if this isn't true. Sorry bioware you're screwed hurry up and make my wildest dreams come true or I will rage at you.