10 hours ? Any chance for an Awakening like DLC to set things in motion for the next game ? I'm dying to find out what's next with Solas....
They've been saying for years that expansions are out of the question. They don't sell well enough to justify the cost of making them.
10 hours ? Any chance for an Awakening like DLC to set things in motion for the next game ? I'm dying to find out what's next with Solas....
Solas' subplot can probably be covered in a 3-5-hour DLC. I don't think it really warrants an expansion (10+ hours) by itself.
The only other expansion I've owned aside from awakening was Age of Empires 2: The Conquerors
The last few are exaggerations as of right now. In a few years, maybe not so much. It wasn't that long ago that the (now ex) head of EA seriously contemplated charging players to reload in FPS games. Bioware themselves are known for holding back on-disc content and charging for it as dlc.
And people wonder why CD ProjektRED are so well respected and beloved by their fanbase. Problems are never ignored and quickly patched, in touch with what the community wants. Free dlc both large and small. No DRM, their ultimate editions are packed with content and are actually worth the price. This breeds goodwill and ensures people WANT to buy their stuff and support their continued growth and success.
I've never been convinced by that argument. Sure, loads of people like CD Projeckt's PR policy (I know I do), but will they buy their games because of that specifically? I don't think so. People buy their games because they like them, the free-LC (which was not that meaty in TW2, let's admit it) and PR are icing on the cake but won't save a bad cake, so to speak. Besides, all that goodwill didn't stop their games from being pirated to hell and back, especially TW2.
DLC exists because people buy it. It's really that simple. If it was that unpopular and most customers hated it so much, it wouldn't exist.
I do hope BE is not a paid DLC, because it doesn't look meaty enough to warrant it. But at least Inquisition had no day 1 DLC so, you know, progress I suppose.
Solas' subplot can probably be covered in a 3-5-hour DLC. I don't think it really warrants an expansion (10+ hours) by itself.
Yeah, no. Solas is a God and clearly has grand plans for Thedas. He has the souls of 3 Gods in him now so he's probably the most powerful being that's ever walked the mortal plane. 3-5 hours hardly seems adequate.
The last few are exaggerations as of right now. In a few years, maybe not so much. It wasn't that long ago that the (now ex) head of EA seriously contemplated charging players to reload in FPS games. Bioware themselves are known for holding back on-disc content and charging for it as dlc.
And people wonder why CD ProjektRED are so well respected and beloved by their fanbase. Problems are never ignored and quickly patched, in touch with what the community wants. Free dlc both large and small. No DRM, their ultimate editions are packed with content and are actually worth the price. This breeds goodwill and ensures people WANT to buy their stuff and support their continued growth and success.
Too bad CD Projeckt Red has not made a good game yet. Or at least, a good game that's fun to play.
Outside of that dig to them, in all seriousness yes it's good that they can do patches and be in touch with the community, although their focus is PC primarily vs console, which I see as fair game since BioWare has been focusing on Console vs PC. Truth be told, folks over value companies too much, CD Projekt Red included. If GOG.com wasn't such a huge success, I doubt The Witcher 2 would have been as good as it turned out for some folks, especially considering how bad the first game was. Its basically pulling the Valve style of production and revenue stream...which is likely why EA is following suit with the service model in many ways.
And for the record, the audio of Riccitello was taken out of context from a business meeting about what monetization and service models can do. Riccitello knew that would not fly in the end, and it still doesn't fly in the end of course, outside of iOS and mobile phones.
Context again of course is important. If you honestly think a company was going to make a mandatory feature to be "pay for each reload," you do realize that would have that guy fired right? If you look at the monetization seen in games like Dead Space 3, Mass Effect 3, Inquisition, its non-obtrusive and optional like it should be, unlike Assassin's Creed Unity where we had three different economies and some real game content locked from it.
Of course there is larger macro-economics going on in the background here but that's besides the point really...
Yeah, no. Solas is a God and clearly has grand plans for Thedas. He has the souls of 3 Gods in him now so he's probably the most powerful being that's ever walked the mortal plane. 3-5 hours hardly seems adequate.
They could still set the stage for the events to continue into a sequel. The point is, if they are going to do an expansion, I would imagine they would need more than just Solas to justify it, since EA seems so adamant on their business ideas and won't approve an expansion unless they're absolutely certain it will result in decent amounts of cash.
Probably because CC does a poor job at lighting and because it is a known fact that people do want to fix appearances in game, as such many games give you this option from the get go.
Bioware themselves are known for holding back on-disc content and charging for it as dlc.
This always struck me as a seriously dopey irrational argument. If something's intended for DLC, it's intended for DLC. Keeping it off the disc if it can go on the disc is a waste of everyone's bandwidth.
(Edited per Steppenwolf's suggestion)
They could still set the stage for the events to continue into a sequel. The point is, if they are going to do an expansion, I would imagine they would need more than just Solas to justify it, since EA seems so adamant on their business ideas and won't approve an expansion unless they're absolutely certain it will result in decent amounts of cash.
These days DLC's can be the size of what people consider an expansion. The main reason DLC's during the last console generation were only about 3-5 hours was that the consoles had a file size limit in place for downloads so they could only put so much content in them (The Citadel DLC on consoles needed a workaround where they had two separate downloads Part 1 which you paid for and part 2 which was considered free).
If those size limits have been removed then it is feasible to have DLC content upwards of 10-15 hours. Though again it should matter more if the time you spent in those hours was enjoyable regardless of length.
This is true and I can empathize with that, I've been screwed over by the CC too. But if Bioware had realized that the CC had issues they would have fixed it before they even released and the Mirror would have been relegated to those who wished to change their appearance in a whim. For them it was fine but for many it's not. Unfortunate but cut them some slack.
hmm? I'm pretty neutral about this whole thing.
hmm? I'm pretty neutral about this whole thing.
Lol at all the typically anti-CDPR replies (not you Giantdeathrobot.) BSN, the only place on the internet where CDPR aren't held in the highest esteem as far as devs go. Due to some weird inferiority complex. It isn't a competition you know, it IS ok to be a fan of both.
Oh, can we? I don't remember tint among the patch notes. Is it supposed to be a surprise?
In the undercroft 
And I looked again and we can 
The Black Emporium is not part of patch 5 for @dragonage. We are continuing to work on it based on the great beta feedback we received.
Great! I hope it stays free, and if its ready before patch 6 I hope they release it before patch 6.
Lol at all the typically anti-CDPR replies (not you Giantdeathrobot.) BSN, the only place on the internet where CDPR aren't held in the highest esteem as far as devs go. Due to some weird inferiority complex. It isn't a competition you know, it IS ok to be a fan of both.
Says the person who keeps plugging them on another studio's forums every chance they get. Yeah okay.
I don't mind CDPR overmuch, it's the Gaming Messiah treatment they're getting that's annoying me. If they were that good, they wouldn't need plugging on their "rival's" forums.
Lol at all the typically anti-CDPR replies (not you Giantdeathrobot.) BSN, the only place on the internet where CDPR aren't held in the highest esteem as far as devs go. Due to some weird inferiority complex. It isn't a competition you know, it IS ok to be a fan of both.
I do aim to please.
To be honest, of course its ok to like both series. I just am not really a fan of the Witcher, found the first game nearly unplayable and the second one was kind of boring overall in some instances
I honestly have no hope for Cyberpunk either, that video was a strange underwear model commercial which told us virtually nothing about what Cyberpunk is, let alone really tell us anything about the game other than the buzz words of "dark, adult, mature content."
Nothing says mature as the cops pointing guns at a bloodied woman with steel spikes coming out of her arms and legs for some reason. Could be worse I guess, but hey, if you cant make fun of anything why do it at all?
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These days DLC's can be the size of what people consider an expansion. The main reason DLC's during the last console generation were only about 3-5 hours was that the consoles had a file size limit in place for downloads so they could only put so much content in them (The Citadel DLC on consoles needed a workaround where they had two separate downloads Part 1 which you paid for and part 2 which was considered free).
If those size limits have been removed then it is feasible to have DLC content upwards of 10-15 hours. Though again it should matter more if the time you spent in those hours was enjoyable regardless of length.
I remember TES' Dragonborn DLC. That was incredible.
This always struck me as a seriously dopey argument. If something's intended for DLC, it's intended for DLC. Keeping it off the disc if it can go on the disc is a waste of everyone's bandwidth.
The Bioware apologists are getting ridiculous. It's greed pure and simple. If it's on the disk pre-launch it should be in the vanilla game. Period.
No it was just left out by accident
Yeah, why mentioning such things, right? No one'd ever care! [/sarkazm off]
Tint is indeed there. Totally unmentioned (unless they had fixed the initial notes).
This is true I prefer Cd project's over Bioware sorry accuse for PR efforts, since they actually care more about their fan bases. The only thing that BIOWARE is good at their characters and the story that was put up around them.Lol at all the typically anti-CDPR replies (not you Giantdeathrobot.) BSN, the only place on the internet where CDPR aren't held in the highest esteem as far as devs go. Due to some weird inferiority complex. It isn't a competition you know, it IS ok to be a fan of both.
Great! I hope it stays free, and if its ready before patch 6 I hope they release it before patch 6.
I wouldn't count on it being free at this point.
The Bioware apologists are getting ridiculous. It's greed pure and simple. If it's on the disk pre-launch it should be in the vanilla game. Period.
Look, I hate to break this to you but all companies, large or small, are defined by greed. And want to make as much cash as they can. Including your saintly CDPR. They use different methods and lots of fluffy speeches to amp up free "DLC" that don't deserve the word ("A Sack Of Fluff" and that ridic hairstyles pack) and people think it's the second coming of Christ. IDC if the game I play or the DLC I buy/download has BioWare's or CDPR's logo on it, all that matters to me is that it's a game/content -I- enjoy. And I enjoy BioWare's games more than all...2...games CDPR has made in almost a decade.
The Bioware apologists are getting ridiculous. It's greed pure and simple. If it's on the disk pre-launch it should be in the vanilla game. Period.
So it's safe to say this thread has gotten derailed and fell off the tracks into Off-Topic town.
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