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[LinksOcarina]

I don't know if I agree with that. I mean if Awakening was on the Origins disc I wouldn't consider it a necessary part of the vanilla game.

 

Were parts of Awakening in Origins? I did not know about that.

[Lumix19]

Were parts of Awakening in Origins? I did not know about that.

What? No I meant hypothetically.

[wolfsite]

What? No I meant hypothetically.

Too late, people are going to think it's true now and complain about it.

[SnakeCode]

Look, I hate to break this to you but all companies, large or small, are defined by greed. And want to make as much cash as they can. Including your saintly CDPR. They use different methods and lots of fluffy speeches to amp up free "DLC" that don't deserve the word ("A Sack Of Fluff" and that ridic hairstyles pack) and people think it's the second coming of Christ. IDC if the game I play or the DLC I buy/download has BioWare's or CDPR's logo on it, all that matters to me is that it's a game/content -I- enjoy. And I enjoy BioWare's games more than all...2...games CDPR has made in almost a decade.

Lol I didn't even "plug" (which evidently just means mention in your world, if not i'm still waiting for my cheque or some form of compensation/validation from them*) CDPR in that post. You seriously need to get over this inferiority complex. Funny you mention the free dlc though, "ridiculous" hair and beard pack is it? Mediocre dlc like new weapon and armour sets? These are all things that BSNers are asking Bioware for, and you can be damn sure if/when they get around to it they aren't going to be free, or even cheap.

 

*Coincidentally I wonder if you guys have received your cheques yet for defending Bioware's every shady PR move?

[Giantdeathrobot]

Yeah, why mentioning such things, right? No one'd ever care! [/sarkazm off]

Tint is indeed there. Totally unmentioned (unless they had fixed the initial notes). 

 

Where is it? I went to both the Craft Armor and Modify Armor stations in Skyhold and didn't find anything new. I know the patch works since I have the storage chest.

[NRieh]

 

I went to both the Craft Armor and Modify Armor stations in Skyhold and didn't find anything new

Somewhere close to the 'vendor' point you have a new table, that's it. 

[Giantdeathrobot]

Somewhere close to the 'vendor' point you have a new table, that's it. 

 

It is there indeed, thank you kind sir/madam!

 

No idea why it's not in the patch notes, but still a good addition.

[Dieb]

The Character Creator does not have weird or misleading lightining - Haven does. Also the facial animations are still atrocious, and the game will downgrade the facial detail when in exploration mode. As soon as you meet Cancellor Roderick for the first time -with a neutral lightning situation- both of my characters looked exactly as I had created them.

 

So just because your character looks like a shimmering squinting lemon in the opening cutscene(s) doesn't mean the character creator isn't good enough. That's more like when looking at your face, however beautiful, in the cold halogen light of a public restroom bathroom mirror. It's always weird.

[wolfsite]

Conductor: Everyone the thread has been derailed please evacuate using the nearest escape route and meet up at the main hub.   Please be sure to stand at minimum 50 feet from the thread in case it explodes from fanboy ranting.

[Vader20]

The Character Creator does not have weird or misleading lightining - Haven does. Also the facial animations are still atrocious, and the game will downgrade the facial detail when in exploration mode. As soon as you meet Cancellor Roderick for the first time -with a neutral lightning situation- both of my characters looked exactly as I had created them.

 

So just because your character looks like a shimmering squinting lemon in the opening cutscene(s) doesn't mean the character creator isn't good enough. That's more like when looking at your face, however beautiful, in the cold halogen light of a public restroom bathroom mirror. It's always weird.

 

Usually, character faces that look good in Haven will end up being masterworks later in the game.... My point when I ranted about the annoyance with the CC was that the aim is to make a face that looks good in Haven at the start.

[Danadenassis]

Now or later, at least are they working on it and I look forward to it. The rest of the patch looks great! Thanks in advance.

[Poisd2Strike]

it was, on the other hand, if people are willing to pay for the silliest of things....

 

Oblivion Horse Armor for 240 MSP comes to mind...and yes I actually bought it, but no I would not do so again...

[XEternalXDreamsX]

Hmmm, I am confused. Did the blog/post just mention that the BE was included in the beta patch to be tested but it never was announced to be released along side Patch 5?

Maybe it is still being tested as well to be implemented in future DLC.

[XEternalXDreamsX]

Suppose you buy a car that comes standard with a 4-speaker system, but the body has all the holes pre-cut and wiring pre-installed to support a 12-speaker system. Do you think you should get the 12-speaker system for free?

Good example. What's the cost of time and money to enter that 12 speaker? More than four. So they give us the option later to upgrade at a cost. If not, we keep the 4. Otherwise, they operate at a loss or if its included as 12..we would expect a higher base cost.

[Ryriena]

Suppose you buy a car that comes standard with a 4-speaker system, but the body has all the holes pre-cut and wiring pre-installed to support a 12-speaker system. Do you think you should get the 12-speaker system for free?

Yes I do if they said I would get the speaker system, as I bought the car. It's called nickel and dimming.

[Dieb]

I also agree that we should be outraged by yet unanounced potential paid DLC.

 

-A BioWare apologist

[SnakeCode]

I also agree that we should be outraged by yet unanounced potential paid DLC.

 

-A BioWare apologist

I never said people should be outraged by anything, but people defending the practice of on-disc, day one dlc is ridiculous. People are going to start defending micro-transactions in single player games next.

[Giantdeathrobot]

I also agree that we should be outraged by yet unanounced potential paid DLC.

 

-A BioWare apologist

 

''Never underestimate the enmity of those for whom outrage is a sport.''

 

-Josephine.

[Dieb]

Friend, no argument there.

 

All I'm saying is, as long as we're buying, they're selling. Especially moneygrabbing, greedy companies such as EA would never ever continuously offer something that doesn't bring substantial revenue. On the other hand, I believe the whole "was it on the disc or not" debate; in most cases so far, is academic. If they decide they want that particular stuff priced seperately, then we're all at their mercy.

 

I haven't consciously witnessed BioWare cutting major content out of the game to sell it later (Yup, even Javik was 100% optional. If anything, I'm annoyed by how little his presence actually changes), and if I have the cash lying around to buy some fluff cosmetic expansion, then count me in becoming part of the problem again. I'm getting more bang (ha!) out of a vanilla BioWare game than 10 other full price titles put together, I don't see it being disproportionate to throw a ten dollar bill or three at it afterwards.

 

On the other hand, BW games are microtransaction-free for the most part. Even in MEMP or DAMP they're not exactly in your face about it either (being in a seperate menu and not advertised with splashes or anything). As long as it stays that way, I'm fine with buying an occasional costume pack or content DLC. If it becomes too much of a home order shopping programme, I'm gonna join the riots no questions asked. I just don't think those games are the best examples of that stuff being handled exceptionally bad.

 

Again, we don't even know in what way the Black Emporium will be released.

[Steppenwolf]

This always struck me as a seriously dopey argument. If something's intended for DLC, it's intended for DLC. Keeping it off the disc if it can go on the disc is a waste of everyone's bandwidth.

It's not dopey, it's the feeling that you're being ripped off. You already paid for the disc but then you have to pay for content that's already on the disc. It's like if you bought a movie on blu-ray that already has special features on the disc, but then you have to pay an additional $10 to unlock them. It feels like a ripoff. The argument can be made that the content wouldn't exist if it weren't for the revenue it will bring in, but then you open the can of worms about resources. Why were they making DLC instead of content for the vanilla game? Why were they making DLC instead of polishing the game? etc.

I don't know if I agree with that. I mean if Awakening was on the Origins disc I wouldn't consider it a necessary part of the vanilla game.

But that wasn't the case so you really have no point.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

People, this IS Bioware AND EA. This is NOT CD Projekt Red. Do you really think that these two companies are going to give us FREE STUFF ?! Have you been living under a rock ?!

 

Don't get me wrong, I hate this scamming and bullshite as much as any consumer out there but expecting this PARTICULAR developer and publisher to not be CUTTHROATS in the business practices...Is like expecting a politician to be honest and it is like expecting the Grand Game to be fair...

 

Also, good to see some Bioware White Knight Apologists out in full force. Perhaps they are expecting some freebies or thumbs up or validation from Bioware and EA for their apologizing, deflection and excusing of terrible business practices. But, just like the actual White Knight on the internet, their "lady" is not going to give them any goodies and are going to continue messing with them even moar. 

[Lumix19]

It's not dopey, it's the feeling that you're being ripped off. You already paid for the disc but then you have to pay for content that's already on the disc. It's like if you bought a movie on blu-ray that already has special features on the disc, but then you have to pay an additional $10 to unlock them. It feels like a ripoff. The argument can be made that the content wouldn't exist if it weren't for the revenue it will bring in, but then you open the can of worms about resources. Why were they making DLC instead of content for the vanilla game? Why were they making DLC instead of polishing the game? etc.


But that wasn't the case so you really have no point.

Your assuming that the resources that were meant for the game went into making DLCs instead and that may not be the case. Besides if the base game is enjoyable does it really matter whether there's extra content on the disc? I for one don't feel ripped off.

[Zatche]

Hmmm, I am confused. Did the blog/post just mention that the BE was included in the beta patch to be tested but it never was announced to be released along side Patch 5?

Maybe it is still being tested as well to be implemented in future DLC.

"As part of the beta, participants will have access to the Black Emporium, a mysterious underground shop run by an immortal proprietor."

 

Personally, I never interpreted this as Black Emporium is part of the patch, because if it was, it would have been much easier to simply state that it was part of Patch 5. Wording is a bit wonky. The wording itself doesn't come off as intentionally misleading to me, but the placement of the sentence between two statements that are directly about the patch could be. Though, I'm not sure what that would gain them if they were intentionally leading us on. It'd be one step forward, two steps back with regards to PR. Not sure anyone in marketing is thinking: "If they think it's free for two weeks, they'll be somehow more willing to pay for it when they realize they misinterpreted."