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[wolfsite]

Two storage chests???  Are you sure the engine can handle that? 

Not sure, the engine can barely handle Blackwall's Beard.

[SnakeCode]

Two storage chests???  Are you sure the engine can handle that? 

I think it can. I mean, it manages to get around SIX characters on screen at once with only minimal lag...

[LinksOcarina]

IGN has been known for making mistakes like this in the past so you can't fault Bioware for the mistake of another........ oh who am I trying to kid of course you can.

 

To be fair, a lot of journalists, including myself, inferred that the Black Emporium was involved with the patch in some form. 

 

The issue does come down to wording, which is why folks are pissed off. BioWare didn't see a problem with what they said because it protects them. Now though, we have a blueprint to follow:

 

Mike Laidlaw ‏@Mike_Laidlaw  20h20 hours ago

@LinksOcarina as a general rule, unless there is a release date made public, content is in flux.

[wolfsite]

To be fair, a lot of journalists, including myself, inferred that the Black Emporium was involved with the patch in some form. 

 

The issue does come down to wording, which is why folks are pissed off. BioWare didn't see a problem with what they said because it protects them. Now though, we have a blueprint to follow:

 

Mike Laidlaw ‏@Mike_Laidlaw  20h20 hours ago

@LinksOcarina as a general rule, unless there is a release date made public, content is in flux.

 

But the wording was fine "Patch 5 Beta Program, Featuring the Black Emporium"  Which means it's part of the Beta Program not the patch, and it even expands in the article saying people signing up to beta test get access to the Emporium.  That indicates that it is separate from the beta that is being tested.

 

Hell a different person has pointed this out on every page of this thread.

[wicked cool]

My bet is be is part of first paid dlc adventure (return to kirkwall and another deep roads expedition) and that its released in the hopes of slowing down witcher 3

[DanteYoda]

I don't mind waiting more. But now I'm confused, is Black emporium paid DLC or not after all?

That really is the Question isn't it?

[AlanC9]

Dude, what? I was responding to a post about a hypothetical situation in which Awakening were on the Origins disc. Are you having a stroke?

Oh, you meant that I should have looked at one of your other posts? I only read your response to me, and I had nothing to do with that Awakening argument. SnakeCode and I were talking about stuff that Bio actually had done. I saw when Iumix19 introduced that hypothetical, but it struck me as being too divorced from practical reality to be useful. (Though I don't have any problem with the hypothetical; the disk is a delivery mechanism and nothing more.)

[t0mm06]

To be fair, a lot of journalists, including myself, inferred that the Black Emporium was involved with the patch in some form. 

 

The issue does come down to wording, which is why folks are pissed off. BioWare didn't see a problem with what they said because it protects them. Now though, we have a blueprint to follow:

 

Mike Laidlaw ‏@Mike_Laidlaw  20h20 hours ago

@LinksOcarina as a general rule, unless there is a release date made public, content is in flux.

Another issue was that a lot of journalists (and news sites), took this mis-interpritation and presented it as fact. 
When i first read biowares blog about it i didnt think the black emporium was going to be pushed with the patch 5, but then like a bunch of news sites had articles like 'Black emporium coming with patch 5'.

 

(I thought and still kind of think the black emporium might be free, but just not being with patch 5)

[Ryriena]

So basically your fine with a 120.00 game becoming 125.00 game or more like the $60.00 game like mass effect with all DLC comes to 50.00 so in way costing us more money. $60.00 + $50.00= $110.00 dollars in my state sales tax would be 8% so that 60.00 game would be around 74.00 in total. In my case it would come out to spending around $130.00 on a game. That I had already spent a days worth of pay on, so why would I spend more on a something that should be in the game, when it shiped?

[Ryriena]

So basicly your fine with paying for stuff like DLC, when your already paying for the game? I bet your a sales man or Mitt Romney in disguise (lol).

[Ryriena]

Paying for a 60 dollar game with 50.00 dollars worth of DLC's is not something I am ok with its basicly nickel and diming us for somthing that I see as entertainment.

[heretica]

If the BE is not for free then I hope it brings out new content like new hairstyles or a couple of armors/weapons. Otherwise, as much as I want to retouch my Trevelyan I'm not paying $5-10 just to change hair color and voice. The idea is ridiculous.  

[Zatche]

So basically your fine with a 120.00 game becoming 125.00 game or more like the $60.00 game like mass effect with all DLC comes to 50.00 so in way costing us more money. $60.00 + $50.00= $110.00 dollars in my state sales tax would be 8% so that 60.00 game would be around 74.00 in total. In my case it would come out to spending around $130.00 on a game. That I had already spent a days worth of pay on, so why would I spend more on a something that should be in the game, when it shiped?

Black Emporium was never a given feature for DAI. It's new content. If you didn't think DAI would be worth the asking price without BE, then you shouldn't have bought it. If you don't think it's worth whatever the asking price ends up being for BE, then don't buy it.

[XEternalXDreamsX]

I, personally, am totally fine with it because I was paying for top tier games in 1990 $49.99. Game prices have been remarkably stable and are a great buy. Adjusted for inflation, Bioware, hell the whole industry of top tier game producers, should be charging over $90 for their games by now. We're getting bargains here, people.

I remember every Christmas I would get a Final Fantasy came that year.. FF7, then FF8, then FF9. It use to be like between 10.00 dollars to 15.00. They were four disk! I felt like they worth so much more! Now, I rarely buy brand new games because of the cost. They are worth it, don't get me wrong! I just buy used now except for Bioware games and actually pre order them. I was even going to pay the ..was it 150 or 180 for the Inquisitor edition but Gamestop didn't have the stock. Thinking back, that would be crazy to do for some trinkets.

[Zatche]

But the wording was fine "Patch 5 Beta Program, Featuring the Black Emporium" Which means it's part of the Beta Program not the patch, and it even expands in the article saying people signing up to beta test get access to the Emporium. That indicates that it is separate from the beta that is being tested.

Hell a different person has pointed this out on every page of this thread.

The literal wording is fine in and of itself. But, with the amount of press and fans that all made the same mistake, I think it's fair to say Bioware fumbled a bit in the way they presented the information. They should, at least now in hindsight, know how their audience can jump to conclusions, especially in the digital age, where so many people just skim everything.

[Dieb]

If the BE is not for free then I hope it brings out new content like new hairstyles or a couple of armors/weapons. Otherwise, as much as I want to retouch my Trevelyan I'm not paying $5-10 just to change hair color and voice. The idea is ridiculous.  

 

Don't worry, brother.

 

I once paid 100$ for a weird food, a bad movie and an awkward cuddle.

 

Now that idea is ridiculous. The word you're looking for is "optional".

[Lady Mutare]

Its not in the patch notes.

[yeldarbnotned]

I enjoyed Inquisition and would like to journey on new adventures.  So, I would be very much interested in story based DLC.  Hence, if the Emporium is combined with such new adventures that will be ok.

 

However, if Emporium is stand alone paid DLC or combined with the likes of new hair styles, armors, weapons, and such.  Then, I will pass.  That would be lame to charge for features that should of been in game.  I mean what did we get, like eleven cropped/bald hair styles for female characters.  The only long hair style has a huge side burn.  I would like to tweak now and then, but not to be charged for it.

 

Did they ever fix the bug that caused voices to change for some players?  If this is only way to correct that error, then it would be double lame to charge to correct that problem.

[heretica]

Don't worry, brother.

 

I once paid 100$ for a weird food, a bad movie and an awkward cuddle.

 

Now that idea is ridiculous. The word you're looking for is "optional".

 

I'm sorry, that sounds terrible. Makes me want to hear the whole story.

 

pd: Sister, if you don't mind. 

[Steppenwolf]

Oh, you meant that I should have looked at one of your other posts? I only read your response to me, and I had nothing to do with that Awakening argument. SnakeCode and I were talking about stuff that Bio actually had done. I saw when Iumix19 introduced that hypothetical, but it struck me as being too divorced from practical reality to be useful. (Though I don't have any problem with the hypothetical; the disk is a delivery mechanism and nothing more.)

Dude, get it together.
http://forum.bioware...7#entry18721775

But the wording was fine "Patch 5 Beta Program, Featuring the Black Emporium"  Which means it's part of the Beta Program not the patch, and it even expands in the article saying people signing up to beta test get access to the Emporium.  That indicates that it is separate from the beta that is being tested.
 
Hell a different person has pointed this out on every page of this thread.

And someone has pointed out on every page that the wording is ambiguous. Hindsight is 20/20 and clearly most people interpreted it to mean that the Black Emporium was part of patch 5. And the fact that it took them so long to dispel that misconception and that they still won't say if it's free or not leads me to believe it was supposed to be part of patch 5.

[Bizantura]

I think the PR of EA works fine, great in fact.  Since when is PR clear and honest?  That is simply not its function.  That a lot of people fall for it is a shame and so is the acidification of society as an unfortunate byproduct.  Advertisement is there to lead you on to your own personal fantasy trip.  Who's fault is it if it is not consistent with reality?

 

Reality is a strange and sometimes scary thing, I play RPG's to escape reality so for me Black Emporium for free or as payable dlc it frankly does not matter.  The non acidification of my body and pleasure of playing DAI does.

[Steppenwolf]

I think the PR of EA works fine, great in fact.  Since when is PR clear and honest?  That is simply not its function.  That a lot of people fall for it is a shame and so is the acidification of society as an unfortunate byproduct.  Advertisement is there to lead you on to your own personal fantasy trip.  Who's fault is it if it is not consistent with reality?
 
Reality is a strange and sometimes scary thing, I play RPG's to escape reality so for me Black Emporium for free or as payable dlc it frankly does not matter.  The non acidification of my body and pleasure of playing DAI does.

PR and advertising are different things. PR means public relations.

[Fiery Phoenix]

The literal wording is fine in and of itself. But, with the amount of press and fans that all made the same mistake, I think it's fair to say Bioware fumbled a bit in the way they presented the information. They should, at least now in hindsight, know how their audience can jump to conclusions, especially in the digital age, where so many people just skim everything.

I agree. They obviously knew everyone concluded the BE was in the patch, yet they never bothered clarifying the situation until yesterday after the fact. What gives?

 

If that isn't bad PR, I don't know what is.