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[Heidirs]

The "Wicked Eyes and Wicked Hearts" quest was frustrating for a number of reasons, but I found myself in a bit of a conundrum as none of the three candidates could give me a reason to support them for the throne. You can't even talk to Celene (unless you find her locket and then the conversation is only about that), and Briala and Gaspard have both done shady and backstabby things. In fact, Celene has too (if you find the man chained up in her room).

 

Really, the quest seems to be more about choosing your best poison than deciding who will be a good ruler. And I suppose there's a kind of freedom in that. I've heard of some people who just go through the quest as quickly as possible and go with whoever seems most likely to live at the end - which is a perfectly valid strategy considering the Inquisitor's goal is to make sure Orlais remains stable long enough to defeat Corypheus, not necessarily choosing the next ruler to the throne.

 

And since pretty much all the epilogue cards end with the peace lasting "for now," it's quite possible Orlais falls into chaos in the next game anyway. With that in mind, my Dalish Elf Inquisitor decided to go with Briala to create change for the elves. If Orlais falls after that, whatever, at least some change happened.

 

That said, I really think this is a quest that there's no right or wrong answer to (as with most quests) and I'm just curious with who other people chose and why. I like hearing other perspectives.

[ManchesterUnitedFan1]

All three of them >: )

 

My elven Inquisitor had a blast outplaying every single one of them at the game they've based their life around.

[Poledo]

I've done every scenario currently. If I had to choose my most preferred choice - I would say Celene/Briala ruling together or Gaspard with Briala pulling the strings.

[Chardonney]

All three working together in all playthroughs. Though after epiloque cards, Celene/Briala combo might actually be better because Caspard doesn't seem to be satisfied with the situation. No surprise there, really.

[Heidirs]

All three of them >: )

 

My elven Inquisitor had a blast outplaying every single one of them at the game they've based their life around.

 

I can definitely see the appeal of outplaying all of them... If only I could roleplay an inquisitor who likes the intrigue of The Game.

 

 

I've done every scenario currently. If I had to choose my most preferred choice - I would say Celene/Briala ruling together or Gaspard with Briala pulling the strings.

 

Those are my favorite two as well... I think I lean more toward Briala, though...

 

I think in current playthrough as human, I might do Celene with Briala exiled...

[Darkly Tranquil]

Sandal.

Wait, did you ask who I wanted to rule Orlais, or who I chose?

Meh.

[ManchesterUnitedFan1]

I can definitely see the appeal of outplaying all of them... If only I could roleplay an inquisitor who likes the intrigue of The Game.

 

My inquisitor loathed it! That's why she took pleasure in ****** them up completely

[Heidirs]

Sandal.

 

I approve.

[ThreeF]

If you want to be kingmaker,  Celene alone is a more logical choice, you have better chances to control her than Briala and Gaspard. Gaspard especially may be unpredictable.

 

Them all working together is a good choice if you want for the whole thing to crumble.

[ManchesterUnitedFan1]

If you want to be kingmaker,  Celene alone is a more logical choice, you have better chances to control her than Briala and Gaspard. Gaspard especially may be unpredictable.

 

Them all working together is a good choice if you want for the whole thing to crumble.

 

Or if you essentially want the Inquisition ruling Orlais!

[Fireheart]

I just left Celene on the throne because she's been ruling for how many years now, and she's been doing a great job, it seems. They don't really give you much info about the other candidates. Even in Origins I left Anora on the throne, but I had her marry Alistair. If Celene and Gaspard weren't related I would've told them to get married too. However when the Keep opens up for Dai, I'll put it so that I got the three way truce. That way I get Celene and Gaspard alive. Idk, I just like Gaspard for some reason.

[ThreeF]

Or if you essentially want the Inquisition ruling Orlais!

You will be able to take advantage of the bickering to an extend as long as it last, but you better to be working on a plan B once it all go to hell.

[Poledo]

If you want to be kingmaker,  Celene alone is a more logical choice, you have better chances to control her than Briala and Gaspard. Gaspard especially may be unpredictable.

 

Them all working together is a good choice if you want for the whole thing to crumble.

 

Celene alone eventually forgets her vows to the inquisition it seems. If Briala is with her she holds true.

[Patchwork]

Gaspard's expansionist attitude makes me nervous so he's out as a solo ruler. One way or another he's going to wiggle out from under Briala's thumb and then I'll have very p.o.'d emperor on my hands. 

 

Putting aside Gaspard's inevitable retaliation, Briala on her own pushes for too much change too quickly for the elves, it'll end with a lot of dead elves.

 

Celene isn't a bad choice but her words and promises are cheap so you always need something to hold over her.  

 

My preferred outcome is Celene ruling with Marquise Briala at her side and blackmail material being kept safe with the Inquisition.   

[Heidirs]

Gaspard's expansionist attitude makes me nervous so he's out as a solo ruler. One way or another he's going to wiggle out from under Briala's thumb and then I'll have very p.o.'d emperor on my hands. 

 

Putting aside Gaspard's inevitable retaliation, Briala on her own pushes for too much change too quickly for the elves, it'll end with a lot of dead elves.

 

Celene isn't a bad choice but her words and promises are cheap so you always need something to hold over her.  

 

Sounds like we should just get rid of all three of them and be done with it... oh, wait.

 

 

 

My preferred outcome is Celene ruling with Marquise Briala at her side and blackmail material being kept safe with the Inquisition.   

 

My main problems with this outcome is it doesn't seem from the epilogue card that Celene is willing to make any real changes for the elves - which is what my Dalish Inquisitor wanted.

[ManchesterUnitedFan1]

You will be able to take advantage of the bickering to an extend as long as it last, but you better to be working on a plan B once it all go to hell.

 

I am, once Gaspard gets too antsy I'm gonna kil lhim Just need him to be a strong military figure while we need the soldiers to throw away at the breach.

[ThreeF]

Celene alone eventually forgets her vows to the inquisition it seems. If Briala is with her she holds true.

Depends.

 

I got this:

 

"Fortunately for Celene, her gratitude towards the Inquisition has remained strong.
Some claim she clings too tightly to the alliance - others know it is all that stands between her and defeat.
Her subjects approve of the alliance even if some claim it is the only reason she yet clings to power."

 

Even better is this:

 

"The empire's ties to the Inquisition remain strong, both sides benefiting from the ongoing relationship.
Some resent this, calling Celene the Inquisitor's puppet - though they do not do so openly.
Orlais prospers, and soon forgets that it could very easily have been otherwise."

 

Briala is sneaky. They are both sneaky actually, but without Briala Celene is more vulnerable (assuming that Briala cares for Celene that is) You could say that keeping Briala can provide leverage, but I don't  know .....too  much work.

[keesio74]

 

Really, the quest seems to be more about choosing your best poison than deciding who will be a good ruler.

 

That is pretty much all of DA:I in a nutshell

 

From what I read, Gaspard alone is the strongest and stable ruler. Celene and Briala together sounds ok too.

[ManchesterUnitedFan1]

Even better is this:

 

"The empire's ties to the Inquisition remain strong, both sides benefiting from the ongoing relationship.
Some resent this, calling Celene the Inquisitor's puppet - though they do not do so openly.
Orlais prospers, and soon forgets that it could very easily have been otherwise."

 

 

How do you get that?

[Boost32]

I get the truce. I didnt want to get Celene killed (because my Inquisitor was there to prevent the assassination and not doing it seems like a failure), Gaspard was the reason the Inquisition was there, he was friendly and did not against me and Briala only want to help the elves who I dont care about. My Inquisitor was a marcher so he didnt have any motivations for any candidates, so the blackmail was the best option, he would control them and Orlais would bom to him. The epilogue was very rewarding, could not be better.

[ThreeF]

How do you get that?

No idea.

[Boost32]

How do you get that?

I think you need Celene alone, both Briala and Gaspard dead and high court approval.

[Patchwork]

Celene turning her back on the Inquisition might depend on court approval. 

 

 

Sounds like we should just get rid of all three of them and be done with it... oh, wait.

 

 

 

My main problems with this outcome is it doesn't seem from the epilogue card that Celene is willing to make any real changes for the elves - which is what my Dalish Inquisitor wanted.

 

I've read TME I would have happily got rid of all of them but alas...

 

Making Briala a noble is big and when you talk to Celene about Briala she admits she was perhaps too cautious about making changes. With them together I think the changes are steadier rather than the grand sweeping changes Briala makes on her own. Briala has her opening I'm confident she'll take full advantage of it to make things better for the elves. 

[AxholeRose]

I think you need Celene alone, both Briala and Gaspard dead and high court approval.

 

Yep, that's what I got in my first run, I killed both Gaspard and Briala.  Celene never gave me the impression of being treacherous and I needed high court approval to stop Florianne's murder attempt.  I chose this path because it was how the Game was meant to be played, and I hate meddling elves in the background.

[Adanu]

Expecting no intrigue or backstabbing in an Empire like Orlais is like expecting water to not get everywhere during a storm. It just doesn't compute.

 

A good mix of stability and intrigue along favors owed is Briala puppeteering Gaspard. Celene herself has too much pride and forgets loyalties too easily to keep political power.