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[MikeFL25]

I understand in advance that this will probably be an unpopular post.  However, this is the feedback section and this is my (hopefully constructive) feedback after the most recent patch.

 

Please, please stop patching exploits, especially on consoles.  

 

I played through the game twice legitimately, no exploits or anything. It was awesome, challenging, beautiful, and everything I hoped Dragon Age Inquisition would be. But now I would like to play as a mage who has every talent unlocked, has tons of Inquisition points, has all the exact Tier 3 armor I like...an Inquisitor who can defeat enemies in more ways than can be hotkeyed to the controller. But now that is impossible. Bioware has patched out all of the "features" that would allow players to do so.  PC players have access to the developer console, where they can give themselves as many Inquisition Perks, skill points, gold, etc. as they would like.  This happens all the time, and is the exact same thing as exploits.  Console users to not have this luxury, and leaving exploits in the game allows players who wish to use them to do so, while also allowing players to ignore them if they so choose.  

 

Don't get me wrong, I don't condone cheating. However, this is a SINGLE PLAYER GAME.  Dragon Age Inquisition is all about the single player experience. If the players wish to play through the game legitimately, as I did and as most people do on their first/second playthroughs, that's great, and the game should be experienced that way. But if players decide they want to be a wealthy demi-god on their third playthrough, they should have that option thanks to the exploits that Bioware left in the game upon release.  Its not like I am asking for exploits to be added in.  They already existed.

 

First the item dupe was patched.  Next the Reputation Vendor exploit was patched, which was upsetting.  Now the last significant exploit was the respawning loot, and even then we needed to put in significant time grinding just to get Deft Hands, Fine Tools so we could even use the exploit. And now that is taken from us as well. Not just for the Amulets of Power. The loot system in this game is not friendly to players who are looking for specific armor/armor upgrades they want their Inquisitor to have, and often players do not get the armor/upgrades or schematics they are looking for because loot is completely random. The loot exploit was the only reliable way for players who had done almost everything the game has to offer to find the loot they really wanted. And now  that has been taken from us, too.

 

Again, I don't condone cheating or ever unfairly tipping the scales in one's favor in a multiplayer environment. All multiplayer and competitive events (whether its video games, sports, academic competition, etc) should be a fair environment to all parties involved. But this is a single player game. A lengthy, RPG single player experience in which the players should have the ability to use methods that existed in the game since launch to their benefit. Who is the player hurting by doing so?  Its no different than when PC users access the developer console to give themselves skill points, gold, Inquisition levels, etc.  And you know it happens all the time.  Should this not be patched as well?  Console players do not have the luxury of the developer console.  What harm does leaving exploits in the game have?

[maia0407]

I have the patch and I'm still able to farm schematics.

[Dai Grepher]

I came here to make this topic myself, but then saw this. You are right.

 

Exploits do not anger the players. There is no need to patch exploits.

 

Patch the bugs and errors that cause crashes and broken quests. At least, do that FIRST.

 

We understand exploits can undermine the way in which BioWare wants us to play, but we can choose to avoid exploits. Bugs and errors prevent us from playing the game as intended much more than exploits ever can.

[MikeFL25]

I came here to make this topic myself, but then saw this. You are right.

 

Exploits do not anger the players. There is no need to patch exploits.

 

Patch the bugs and errors that cause crashes and broken quests. At least, do that FIRST.

 

We understand exploits can undermine the way in which BioWare wants us to play, but we can choose to avoid exploits. Bugs and errors prevent us from playing the game as intended much more than exploits ever can.

 

Agreed 100%.  There are still many game-breaking bugs in the game.  There have also been really cool things added in (this patch specifically adds in the Inventory Chest and Armor Tinting, and future updates will include the Black Emporium).  But what harm is there in leaving in exploits that give players the option to dupe items or raise their Inquisition level?  Its not game breaking, they are completely optional, and just give the player added ability to customize their experience.

[Realmzmaster]

It could also be when the bugs or errors were fixed it fixed the exploit along with it. The exploit may have existed because of a bug or error.

[TracyJackson]

I noticed the patch note saying they fixed a loot exploit. Is that the one inside a locked house in Crestwood? Hopefully not, lol.

[berelinde]

I noticed the patch note saying they fixed a loot exploit. Is that the one inside a locked house in Crestwood? Hopefully not, lol.

Yes, it is. And the Amulet of Power is gone from Broken Window.

[DarkAmaranth1966]

I noticed the patch note saying they fixed a loot exploit. Is that the one inside a locked house in Crestwood? Hopefully not, lol.

Yep, now that AoP is the only thing there, so can't dupe it anymore.

[Semyaza82]

I'm with you on this Mike. I would completely understand removing something that people might do inadvertently, but the things removed don't fit that. I would also be fine with removing an exploit from multi-player where it could conceivably affect other players. But for the single-player campaign? If people want to use an exploit who does it harm? 

[Teddie Sage]

I'm with you OP.

[Cloud43]

I haven't been on these boards for a long time. Do the developers really read these and respond? Has anything meaningful come out of these suggestions? I am in full agreement of leaving single player exploits in the game. I want to do a 3rd and even 4th playthrough but I really don't want to grind it out every single time.

 

Can they really go back and undo these particular fixes? Has it ever happened before in another game?

 

 

 

Simply put, are we wasting our time asking them to undo these patches?

[Darkly Tranquil]

I don't use them myself, but I can see no reason to patch exploits in a single player game; they aren't hurting anyone.

[mkonrad6288]

I find exploits negatively affect my gameplay experience.  Stereotypically, many of those users become prone to an escalating game of forwarding narcissistic how-to links on Youtube about how to use the exploit effectively in a twenty minute video that actually fills thirty seconds on content merit, I find an immersive experience to be compromised.

 

*waits for loading screen, opens chest*

 

Exploits are a bug in the game and in the game design.  To protect game integrity, one player or no, you have a fiduciary responsibility to your shareholders to patch a game and have it playing at a level of consistency, quality, and balance that has passed through your testers and represents what your game designers had in mind, or at least what they expected for the customer.  

 

*oops, not a good schematic, hits f5*

 

But that's my opinion.  Yours may be to keep the exploits.

[Teddie Sage]

I find exploits negatively affect my gameplay experience.  Stereotypically, many of those users become prone to an escalating game of forwarding narcissistic how-to links on Youtube about how to use the exploit effectively in a twenty minute video that actually fills thirty seconds on content merit, I find an immersive experience to be compromised.

 

*waits for loading screen, opens chest*

 

Exploits are a bug in the game and in the game design.  To protect game integrity, one player or no, you have a fiduciary responsibility to your shareholders to patch a game and have it playing at a level of consistency, quality, and balance that has passed through your testers and represents what your game designers had in mind, or at least what they expected for the customer.  

 

*oops, not a good schematic, hits f5*

 

But that's my opinion.  Yours may be to keep the exploits.

*fart sound*

[hoechlbear]

"Please stop patching exploits." Too late. They already did. No more exploits left to "fix" now.

 

 

I find exploits negatively affect my gameplay experience.

 

How so? Does your hand have life of its own and accidentally completes each step that is required to successfully use an exploit? If not, then I don't see how it could affect gameplay on a single player game.

[Semyaza82]

I haven't been on these boards for a long time. Do the developers really read these and respond? Has anything meaningful come out of these suggestions? I am in full agreement of leaving single player exploits in the game. I want to do a 3rd and even 4th playthrough but I really don't want to grind it out every single time.

 

Can they really go back and undo these particular fixes? Has it ever happened before in another game?

 

 

 

Simply put, are we wasting our time asking them to undo these patches?

I think the chances of them unpatching a previously patched exploit are pretty much zero - but who knows, for the next game maybe they'll leave a few in there. Personally duplicating skill tomes added massive replay value for me with DA:O - after several regular playthroughs I kind of like to do semi God-mode plays just to take different story paths etc

[Zulfurlubak]

*fart sound*

 

Very... convincing arguments.

 

Actually, there is another huge thread on the topic, so I don't really understand why would OP like to start it all over.

And again, I'd rather prefer seeing developers taking care of their game and fixing bugs and glitches rather than not doing so. If you are bored after yours 5th/6th/7th walkthrough and want to play it somewhat differently - there are always console commands and mods at your disposal. There is no need to keep any glitches or exploits in vanilla gameplay for that.

[mkonrad6288]

Patching exploits isn't the lone method of shoring up a game that has been mentioned on some forums here as a combination of "unstable",  "unplayable", "lied to" or whatever.  It's part of a larger policy of quality and having your software do what it is supposed to do and was designed to do; it's not just to make things boring.

 

From a balance standpoint in a 1P game, of course it's meaningless.  The modders just have to work harder, and cheat engine still works.

 

Yeah, as a general customer I am affected by them.  Exploits go hand in hand with coding errors and design flaws.

[berelinde]

"Please stop patching exploits." Too late. They already did. No more exploits left to "fix" now.

 

 

 

How so? Does your hand have life of its own and accidentally completes each step that is required to successfully use an exploit? If not, then I don't see how it could affect gameplay on a single player game.

It's the internet so we'll never be 100% certain, but I think the parenthetical farming interspersed throughout the post is intended to show sarcasm.... or maybe not.

 

It's a single-player game, folks. Why in the name of the Maker does anybody else care how I play it? You aren't in my living room getting your sensibilities offended by my blatant cheating (I'm on my 7th playthrough, so I've fluffed my e-peen as much as it's likely going to be fluffed by beating a game). FFS, let folks play how they want. If they wind up to over-powered to enjoy it, well, that's too bad.

 

Also, you can't use the dev console for anything other than setting your frame rate or other graphics issues. The latest patch seems to disable any mods applied.

[Teddie Sage]

The exploits weren't ruining the game, if you believe you had to use it to enjoy it, you were only ruining your own fun. If seeing other people being frustrated by the lack of exploits pleases you, well, you're sick so go get some help. Sadists ruin our fun as well.

[stop_him]

All I care about is the ability to farm schematics. Was that "patched?" Because that's total BS. I get so many lousy, effing dagger schematics in every playthrough. If they patch that, Bioware needs to at least add a vendor to both Haven and Skyhold who sells ALL of the schematics available for a reasonable price. There is no reason my mages, archers and warriors should be stuck with a bunch of stupid dagger schematics because the random loot system keeps rolling up crap for me.

[MyKingdomCold]

You can still farm schematics.

 

I kind of think they should allow exploits if there were a way to turn off achievements/trophies.  Otherwise, it wouldn't be much of an "achievement" to finish nightmare if you duped dragonbone for all of your companions' weapons and armor, duped infinite amounts of essence of perfection, or filled out all of your skill trees by farming amulets of power. 

 

It's kind of like past consoles with the gameshark and other cheat devices.

[Drasanil]

You can still farm schematics.

 

I kind of think they should allow exploits if there were a way to turn off achievements/trophies.  Otherwise, it wouldn't be much of an "achievement" to finish nightmare if you duped dragonbone for all of your companions' weapons and armor, duped infinite amounts of essence of perfection, or filled out all of your skill trees by farming amulets of power. 

 

It's kind of like past consoles with the gameshark and other cheat devices.

 

Please, you can do nightmare perfectly fine with out any exploits. Just farm snoufleur and silverite for healing and/or guard generation materials. It's really just a question of saving time. 

[Exalus]

Wow, when did they fix respawning chest exploit?

 

I never had a need to use them but I saw no issue with others using them in SP game.

[MyKingdomCold]

I know you can.  It's just that if the ability to dupe infinite dragonbone or have infinite amulets of power, it'll make a lot easier.