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[Vader20]

I find exploits negatively affect my gameplay experience.  Stereotypically, many of those users become prone to an escalating game of forwarding narcissistic how-to links on Youtube about how to use the exploit effectively in a twenty minute video that actually fills thirty seconds on content merit, I find an immersive experience to be compromised.

 

*waits for loading screen, opens chest*

 

Exploits are a bug in the game and in the game design.  To protect game integrity, one player or no, you have a fiduciary responsibility to your shareholders to patch a game and have it playing at a level of consistency, quality, and balance that has passed through your testers and represents what your game designers had in mind, or at least what they expected for the customer.  

 

*oops, not a good schematic, hits f5*

 

But that's my opinion.  Yours may be to keep the exploits.

Why do you even care if someone wants to use exploits ? It's a single player game. Every player chooses his or her style of playing...

 

You can still farm schematics.

 

I kind of think they should allow exploits if there were a way to turn off achievements/trophies.  Otherwise, it wouldn't be much of an "achievement" to finish nightmare if you duped dragonbone for all of your companions' weapons and armor, duped infinite amounts of essence of perfection, or filled out all of your skill trees by farming amulets of power. 

 

It's kind of like past consoles with the gameshark and other cheat devices.

 

Thank god I can do that, right ? How nice of them to fix the dupes, but not the damn RNG loot system..... Wasting hours for some item must be really exciting, like I did for the Dalish Warrior armor and still didn't get it.

 

Still can't believe that this system was designed like this on purpose. I would understand the logic behind it if the game had a LOT of armors, but sadly there aren't many armors in this game.

 

Having lots of armors would also increase the chance of finding something worthy, but no... most of the items are just trash. Not even worth some decent gold.

[Bigdawg13]

Did they fix stonefist detonator?

[Vader20]

I read here that somebody said that PC users can use the console for getting items, gold etc.... Is this true ?

[MyKingdomCold]

Oh, I agree about  the RNG system.  I think it should at least be tweaked to less random.  Maybe have set areas where random items might appear. Like in Unadin Grotto I don't expect to find qunari vitaar.  Is there a qunari buried in an elven tomb?

[MikeFL25]

Actually, there is another huge thread on the topic, so I don't really understand why would OP like to start it all over.

 

 

there are always console commands and mods at your disposal. There is no need to keep any glitches or exploits in vanilla gameplay for that.

 

I didn't know there was already a topic on this, sorry.  Also, I was primarily referring to console players in my main post.  PC users have the luxury of a great modding community and console commands, so exploits (while "convenient") are not necessary.  Console players do not have this luxury, and exploits are the closest things we will get to mods that lets us power up our characters.  

 

"Please stop patching exploits." Too late. They already did. 

 

You're right, by this point it is probably too late, and I doubt they will "un-patch" the exploits.  

[Teddie Sage]

I read here that somebody said that PC users can use the console for getting items, gold etc.... Is this true ?

Dunno, but LadyAshe posted a video on youtube about cheating engines you can download to help yourself with those tasks, if you're a PC player.

[kalasaurus]

I read here that somebody said that PC users can use the console for getting items, gold etc.... Is this true ?

There are console commands, but they don't work.  However, it is possible to dupe items, gold and gain schematics via Cheat Engine.

[berelinde]

I read here that somebody said that PC users can use the console for getting items, gold etc.... Is this true ?

No, it isn't true. Unlike previous Dragon Age titles where you could use the developer console to get items, gold, or experience points, the developer console for DAI just lets you set the frame rate or adjust video settings. Useful for diagnostics, but it isn't going to change your game.

 

I'm told you can use the Cheat Engine to get gold or items, but all I've ever gotten from it is a CTD, so not all PC users can benefit form it.

 

The latest patch disables mods.

[ZeroDragon980]

All I can say is with the exploits being a concern towards the single player part of the game, only matters as long as you the player is affected by the outcome of said exploit used, be it positively or negatively. Any exploit that is a result of a bug or error that no longer exists because the bug or error was fixed can to me only affect me if it was of any use to me in the first place.

 

As I am at the moment going through my 4th play through and still playing with only minor issues after the patch. I am still not caring much about those exploits. 

I do admit that the addition of the storage chest is a great idea, but they forgot the key idea of it. Outside storing weapons and armor and mods for the weapons and armor, they should have allowed us to store our crafting ingredients as well as all of our other inventory items.

 

There is also the fact that the patch messed with a few of the missions as I can not access them again. 

[Pantalaimon]

Yeah, I really don't wanna make a new playthrough without the ability to duplicate certain items (Essence of perfection, dragon materials etc)

It's a shame because I reaaaallllyyyy wanna redo a playthrough of mine =(

 

 

But sure, PC players can go ahead with their master race and enjoy everything that was ripped from our weak peasant console owner hands. 

[turuzzusapatuttu]

Microtransactions incoming. That's why they fixed those exploits.

[Shadow Fox]

I haven't been on these boards for a long time. Do the developers really read these and respond? Has anything meaningful come out of these suggestions? I am in full agreement of leaving single player exploits in the game. I want to do a 3rd and even 4th playthrough but I really don't want to grind it out every single time.

 

Can they really go back and undo these particular fixes? Has it ever happened before in another game?

 

 

 

Simply put, are we wasting our time asking them to undo these patches?

No.

 

Yes.

[Mushashi7]

It's pretty simple:

If you don't want to use an exploit - don't do it!

It is a free world. You can leave it or not.

Besides, the exploits are not easy to use. Not at all.

Like the 'duplicate item glitch' in the shop windows. You have to practise a lot before you get the grip of it. And even then there's no 100% proof of success. Using the glitch is like playing the lottery. Add the time spend to this as well. It takes loads of time.

It also depends on your hardware as well. If you have a bad controller or keyboard you will have difficulties to use it properly.

I've use this glitch for my last playthroughs. I simply CBA collecting any more herbs, metals and cloth. It's completely idiotic and devastating boring. So UENDLESSLY boring. But I don't get lucky every time I use it. You have to be in the mood and awake. The timing of your reactions has a very narrow margin.

I can understand they removed it if the same glitch can be used in multiplayer. I don't know if it is the same function?

I can hardly imagine that they made two different shop windows for both single- and multiplayer? This would be a fully acceptable reason for removing it.

If multiplayer is the main concern regarding exploits I find it ok. I wouldn't like to play online while everyone else around me is using exploits. But in singleplayer I get mad if they remove them. It's my game. I paid for it. And I am not harming anyone with it. None at all.

My suggestion is Bioware leave the exploits in singleplayer, and find a solution that prevents them to be used in multiplayer only. Some kind of security filter, or whatever. The server could run this security check?

I haven't played multiplayer. Do you create your character while connected to the server, or can you import a character from singleplayer?
If you create it online there should be a security filter avoiding use of exploits?

Can you import a character from a saved singleplayer game? And can this be checked thoroughly by the server?

[Nomen Mendax]

Microtransactions incoming. That's why they fixed those exploits.

I very much doubt it - if they were going to have micro-transactions in the SP game it would make sense to have them from day 1 (make sense from the perspective of them trying to maximize revenue that is).

[Bigdawg13]

I very much doubt it - if they were going to have micro-transactions in the SP game it would make sense to have them from day 1 (make sense from the perspective of them trying to maximize revenue that is).

 

This is Bioware we're talking about.  O_o  They had the dupe glitch in DA:O and DA2, and finally got around to fixing it.  I think adding micro-transactions to the game as an afterthought would be par for the course.

 

Oh yeah, and I'd like to re-ask...anyone with patch 5 can you confirm if stonefist detonator is fixed or not?  

[KBomb]

It's pretty simple:

If you don't want to use an exploit - don't do it!

It is a free world. You can leave it or not.

Besides, the exploits are not easy to use. Not at all.
Like the 'duplicate item glitch' in the shop windows. You have to practise a lot before you get the grip of it. And even then there's no 100% proof of success. Using the glitch is like playing the lottery. Add the time spend to this as well. It takes loads of time.
It also depends on your hardware as well. If you have a bad controller or keyboard you will have difficulties to use it properly.
I've use this glitch for my last playthroughs. I simply CBA collecting any more herbs, metals and cloth. It's completely idiotic and devastating boring. So UENDLESSLY boring. But I don't get lucky every time I use it. You have to be in the mood and awake. The timing of your reactions has a very narrow margin.

I can understand they removed it if the same glitch can be used in multiplayer. I don't know if it is the same function?
I can hardly imagine that they made two different shop windows for both single- and multiplayer? This would be a fully acceptable reason for removing it.

If multiplayer is the main concern regarding exploits I find it ok. I wouldn't like to play online while everyone else around me is using exploits. But in singleplayer I get mad if they remove them. It's my game. I paid for it. And I am not harming anyone with it. None at all.

My suggestion is Bioware leave the exploits in singleplayer, and find a solution that prevents them to be used in multiplayer only. Some kind of security filter, or whatever. The server could run this security check?

I haven't played multiplayer. Do you create your character while connected to the server, or can you import a character from singleplayer?
If you create it online there should be a security filter avoiding use of exploits?
Can you import a character from a saved singleplayer game? And can this be checked thoroughly by the server?

No. The dupe glitch, Influence glitch or the power glitch can't be utilized in MP. It is a single-player glitch only and even then the only way it can impact your game is to manipulate it. It would ruin no one's experience.

Except the ones who claim they don't want to use any exploits, but having it present is too much temptation-- so it should be removed. That is silly logic, but there it is.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Yep, now that AoP is the only thing there, so can't dupe it anymore.

Wait, are you saying they simply made it so the amulet is the only thing in the chest, without the other item(s)?

 

If so, then that doesn't sound like 'fixing' to me.

[Auztin]

People complain about too much farming making it an MMO & yet WANT to farm for schematics?Ok.People are wanting a patch reversed?No wonder the world is going to hell.

[BSpud]

People complain about too much farming making it an MMO & yet WANT to farm for schematics?Ok.People are wanting a patch reversed?No wonder the world is going to hell.

 

Lolwut

[KBomb]

People complain about too much farming making it an MMO & yet WANT to farm for schematics?Ok.People are wanting a patch reversed?No wonder the world is going to hell.

Aww, hyperbole loves you, too!

[Mushashi7]

No. The dupe glitch, Influence glitch or the power glitch can be utilized in MP. It is a single-player glitch only and even then the only way it can impact your game is to manipulate it. It would ruin no one's experience.

Except the ones who claim they don't want to use any exploits, but having it present is too much temptation-- so it should be removed. That is silly logic, but there it is.

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Interesting. You want to decide what other people are supposed to handle?

Isn't that a bit too far? I mean, I am convinced that people should decide for them selves?

I would let you decide. That is common respect for another person. Isn't it nice that you can decide what you want and not?

You don't want me to have the same freedom?

How would you like if I took away your freedom?
Lets say I decided that you should not smoke or drink alcohol. It's too tempting?

And the reason I say this is that my morale is different than yours. In my world you should neither smoke or drink. So, I take away the tobacco and the booze from the shops. You wouldn't mind that, would you? I just decided it was a too big temptation for you.

Get out of here!

[Tfb5swim]

I hope they pay attention to our complaints about getting rid of these exploits and bring them back. I just can't enjoy Inquisition knowing I have to farm materials for hours when I have School and a social life.

[Alex475]

I understand in advance that this will probably be an unpopular post.  However, this is the feedback section and this is my (hopefully constructive) feedback after the most recent patch.
 
Please, please stop patching exploits, especially on consoles.  
 
I played through the game twice legitimately, no exploits or anything. It was awesome, challenging, beautiful, and everything I hoped Dragon Age Inquisition would be. But now I would like to play as a mage who has every talent unlocked, has tons of Inquisition points, has all the exact Tier 3 armor I like...an Inquisitor who can defeat enemies in more ways than can be hotkeyed to the controller. But now that is impossible. Bioware has patched out all of the "features" that would allow players to do so.  PC players have access to the developer console, where they can give themselves as many Inquisition Perks, skill points, gold, etc. as they would like.  This happens all the time, and is the exact same thing as exploits.  Console users to not have this luxury, and leaving exploits in the game allows players who wish to use them to do so, while also allowing players to ignore them if they so choose.  
 
Don't get me wrong, I don't condone cheating. However, this is a SINGLE PLAYER GAME.  Dragon Age Inquisition is all about the single player experience. If the players wish to play through the game legitimately, as I did and as most people do on their first/second playthroughs, that's great, and the game should be experienced that way. But if players decide they want to be a wealthy demi-god on their third playthrough, they should have that option thanks to the exploits that Bioware left in the game upon release.  Its not like I am asking for exploits to be added in.  They already existed.
 
First the item dupe was patched.  Next the Reputation Vendor exploit was patched, which was upsetting.  Now the last significant exploit was the respawning loot, and even then we needed to put in significant time grinding just to get Deft Hands, Fine Tools so we could even use the exploit. And now that is taken from us as well. Not just for the Amulets of Power. The loot system in this game is not friendly to players who are looking for specific armor/armor upgrades they want their Inquisitor to have, and often players do not get the armor/upgrades or schematics they are looking for because loot is completely random. The loot exploit was the only reliable way for players who had done almost everything the game has to offer to find the loot they really wanted. And now  that has been taken from us, too.
 
Again, I don't condone cheating or ever unfairly tipping the scales in one's favor in a multiplayer environment. All multiplayer and competitive events (whether its video games, sports, academic competition, etc) should be a fair environment to all parties involved. But this is a single player game. A lengthy, RPG single player experience in which the players should have the ability to use methods that existed in the game since launch to their benefit. Who is the player hurting by doing so?  Its no different than when PC users access the developer console to give themselves skill points, gold, Inquisition levels, etc.  And you know it happens all the time.  Should this not be patched as well?  Console players do not have the luxury of the developer console.  What harm does leaving exploits in the game have?

I completely agree, games for me is supposed to be for fun, but developers lately, "not just Bioware" seems to be forgetting that. There's a bunch of things that should or could be improved in the game, but they focus on harmless stuff. I like to feel overpower as much as possible in a game that offer leveling, (some people might not so it's their choice), it's in single player game than it shouldn't matter who use it or not, I loved to farm for plus 3 guard fade touched materials, since this type of materials are such a pain to find, now I guess I can't do that anymore. Sometimes people just want to have fun with their games, so if it's not in a competitive part of the game, exploits shouldn't be a concern.

[Patchwork]

I wouldn't care about them fixing the loot farming exploit if I could get schematics in a reliable way. Josie has a lot of merchant perks but they're near useless so fix that! Have the more uncommon schems appear in Skyhold, it would be a lot more useful than a vault you can't even Scrooge McDuck in. 

[Dio Demon]

*fart sound*

Such great maturity. *slow clap*

 

I hope they pay attention to our complaints about getting rid of these exploits and bring them back. I just can't enjoy Inquisition knowing I have to farm materials for hours when I have School and a social life.

You don't have to farm for materials. You can go through the game without crafting and I'd prefer the devs spending time on other things then reintroducing an exploit.