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[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[electricfish]

Not sure about the qunari, but the dwarves brand their casteless and now we know that the vallaslin were slave markings in Arlathan.  It does line up.

I'd like to put forth the motion that slave markings were imbued with some sort of power, or personal geas as well. Magic glyphs and wards have their own function, and the slave markings by both elf and dwarf are specifically styled to represent something about some higher power.

Dwarf runecrafting has innate power/magic that can either enchant weapons with fire, or ward buildings from crumbling. 

Elf slave markings acting as a personal geas would be super useful for the nobles who owned them as a means of controlling through fear of retribution, or simple compulsion if a particular person got too uppity.

 

Qunari practice painting themselves as well. Their modern purpose is more for practical reasons due to the benefits, but it's interesting that they even have a tattooing method that causes armor skin and stuff in the first place. How would they have stumbled onto the ingredients that specifically react to their skin type? Why have the specific designs and not just slather the Vitaar haphazardly?

 

Could be a holdout from a time when they were just Kossith, and not Qunari. If they really were bred, or magically combined with a dragon as Kossith, then perhaps the specific ingredients required to create Vitaar were required due to scaly skin or another property that rejected traditional tattooing. This is an especially crazy idea when combined with the theory that they were used by Elgar'nan in some fashion. Raging half-dragons with warpaint that acts like poison to non-Kossith/Qunari? That seems like a fitting army for a god of vengeance, and was spiteful enough to bury his sun dad in the earth.

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[laurelinvanyar]

Here you go, Caddius:

http://dragonage.wik...arven_Runecraft

 

The shaperate forges runes that contain "the memories", which include actual thoughts of the shapers (much in the same way veilfire runes can convey thoughts and emotions). The runes themselves are NOT a written language, and the few dozen that ARE known are only truly known by the shaperate. 

 

"They are not, as many surface-folk believe, the written language of the modern dwarves, but rather are remnants of a lost language that predates Orzammar, the dwarven kingdom, and even the tens of thousands of years of history recorded in the Memories. "

 

AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH! *dances frenetically*

 

So 10,000 years is only a minimum estimate! And that's not all. The memories in Orzammar may or may not be the oldest memories. After all, Kal-Sharok was the original capital of the Dwarven Empire. The move from Kal-Sharok to Orzammar occured about 6500 years after the founding of Arlathan, and about 1000 years before the first blight. 

[AryBoBary]

I'd like to put forth the motion that slave markings were imbued with some sort of power, or personal geas as well. Magic glyphs and wards have their own function, and the slave markings by both elf and dwarf are specifically styled to represent something about some higher power.

 

Perhaps our little Fenris is running around with the most original form of Vallaslin?  What a hipster. 

[BoscoBread]

I'd like to put forth the motion that slave markings were imbued with some sort of power, or personal geas as well. Magic glyphs and wards have their own function, and the slave markings by both elf and dwarf are specifically styled to represent something about some higher power.

Dwarf runecrafting has innate power/magic that can either enchant weapons with fire, or ward buildings from crumbling. 

Elf slave markings acting as a personal geas would be super useful for the nobles who owned them as a means of controlling through fear of retribution, or simple compulsion if a particular person got too uppity.

 

Qunari practice painting themselves as well. Their modern purpose is more for practical reasons due to the benefits, but it's interesting that they even have a tattooing method that causes armor skin and stuff in the first place. How would they have stumbled onto the ingredients that specifically react to their skin type? Why have the specific designs and not just slather the Vitaar haphazardly?

 

Could be a holdout from a time when they were just Kossith, and not Qunari. If they really were bred, or magically combined with a dragon as Kossith, then perhaps the specific ingredients required to create Vitaar were required due to scaly skin or another property that rejected traditional tattooing. This is an especially crazy idea when combined with the theory that they were used by Elgar'nan in some fashion. Raging half-dragons with warpaint that acts like poison to non-Kossith/Qunari? That seems like a fitting army for a god of vengeance, and was spiteful enough to bury his sun dad in the earth.

I don't want to like this idea because....ABELAS....BUT I LOVE THIS IDEA.

 

I wonder if it was also a way to control magic in the population since everybody was pretty much a mage.

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[laurelinvanyar]

I'd like to put forth the motion that slave markings were imbued with some sort of power, or personal geas as well. Magic glyphs and wards have their own function, and the slave markings by both elf and dwarf are specifically styled to represent something about some higher power.

Dwarf runecrafting has innate power/magic that can either enchant weapons with fire, or ward buildings from crumbling. 

Elf slave markings acting as a personal geas would be super useful for the nobles who owned them as a means of controlling through fear of retribution, or simple compulsion if a particular person got too uppity.

There's also the practicality of trying to control a population entirely of mages. Even without formal training, a magic-weilding slave population would be hard to pacify without some sort of binding. Also, the binding could prevent those same untrained slaves from accidentally destroying everything around them (it's made pretty clear that the only thing more dangerous than a trained mage is an untrained one)

[Caddius]

Here you go, Caddius:

http://dragonage.wik...arven_Runecraft

 

The shaperate forges runes that contain "the memories", which include actual thoughts of the shapers (much in the same way veilfire runes can convey thoughts and emotions). The runes themselves are NOT a written language, and the few dozen that ARE known are only truly known by the shaperate. 

 

"They are not, as many surface-folk believe, the written language of the modern dwarves, but rather are remnants of a lost language that predates Orzammar, the dwarven kingdom, and even the tens of thousands of years of history recorded in the Memories. "

 

AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH! *dances frenetically*

 

So 10,000 years is only a minimum estimate! And that's not all. The memories in Orzammar may or may not be the oldest memories. After all, Kal-Sharok was the original capital of the Dwarven Empire. The move from Kal-Sharok to Orzammar occured about 6500 years after the founding of Arlathan, and about 1000 years before the first blight. 

THANK YOU!  

[Giton]

Here you go, Caddius:

http://dragonage.wik...arven_Runecraft

 

The shaperate forges runes that contain "the memories", which include actual thoughts of the shapers (much in the same way veilfire runes can convey thoughts and emotions). The runes themselves are NOT a written language, and the few dozen that ARE known are only truly known by the shaperate. 

 

"They are not, as many surface-folk believe, the written language of the modern dwarves, but rather are remnants of a lost language that predates Orzammar, the dwarven kingdom, and even the tens of thousands of years of history recorded in the Memories. "

 

[snip]

I wonder if the Memories are necessarily dwarven. Perhaps the memories were stored through the use of some magical artifact a la the Well of Sorrows, and the dwarves grew to be the keepers of those memories.

 

I don't know. 

[Mims]

I definitely think the vallaslin might have had some sort of compulsory power to them. Remember Fenris? It seems too much of a coincidence that his markings are very similar to June's vallaslin. It could be that Tevinter has some old scrolls they collected to Arlathan, and someone happened to check it out.

 

If the pantheon was blighted, then their servants would likely get infected too through the lyrium. Also worth noting- the Forgotten One cultists are described as having 'red' vallalsin. 

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[laurelinvanyar]

Fascinating thorough-thread here is that BOTH the ancient Elvhen and Dwarf societies had magical ways of communicating past thoughts, experiences, and ideas. The dwarves through their runic language by the shapers and the Elvhen from their wells.

Also veilfire. I really don't buy Solas' whole "What? Never seen it before!" speil. Especially since those things are frigging everywhere in elven ruins, which he claims to frequent. 

[Sable Rhapsody]

I'd like to put forth the motion that slave markings were imbued with some sort of power, or personal geas as well. Magic glyphs and wards have their own function, and the slave markings by both elf and dwarf are specifically styled to represent something about some higher power.

Perhaps our little Fenris is running around with the most original form of Vallaslin?  What a hipster. 

 

I don't want to like this idea because....ABELAS....BUT I LOVE THIS IDEA.
 
I wonder if it was also a way to control magic in the population since everybody was pretty much a mage.

 
The word "vallaslin" does mean "blood writing." And the codex entry on modern Dalish vallaslin talks about ritual purification of the self and focusing on the gods. Does that sound suspiciously like Cassandra's seeker rite of initiation and Tranquility to anyone else?

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[laurelinvanyar]

I wonder if the Memories are necessarily dwarven. Perhaps the memories were stored through the use of some magical artifact a la the Well of Sorrows, and the dwarves grew to be the keepers of those memories.

 

I don't know. 

Remember Dagna's little lyrium trip? What she's seeing is a wall of memories on a Titan-sized scale. I do agree that the memories aren't dwarven in origin. But I'm like 99.99% convinced that they're TITAN in origin. 

[Giton]

Remember Dagna's little lyrium trip? What she's seeing is a wall of memories on a Titan-sized scale. I do agree that the memories aren't dwarven in origin. But I'm like 99.99% convinced that they're TITAN in origin. 

YES! 

[Sable Rhapsody]

Huh. So perhaps the type of vallaslin/ which god it was dedicated to determined which type of spirit was to touch you? This I like.

 

Or you could simply be kept Tranquil if you were particularly troublesome.  Crystal White has wound up informing a lot of my headcanon on Arlathan (though not necessarily the pantheon itself) and it seems reasonable that in a world where everyone had magic, forced Tranquility would be a very effective way of keeping slaves from rebelling.

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[Sable Rhapsody]

While I'm not necessarily onboard for mass-tranquility of the population, I do think tranquility in some form existed, and it would explain Solas' interest in getting Cassandra to be open about the practice and to seek out a cure.

 

Is this a banter?  Don't think I ever got it.  Of course, Solas could just be opposed to Tranquility on principle.

 

I also don't think mass-tranquility would be necessary.  Remember what Fenris says about the mentality of a slave back in DA2.  Fenris can phase-punch through people's chests, and it took getting abandoned by Danarius through an accident AND living with Fog Warriors for months to break him of that mindset.  You'd only need to Tranquil the people who were going to cause problems.

[laurelinvanyar]

I'm gonna need a clap gif STAT. Completely, 100% agree. If the "memories" are capable of conveying the thoughts of the shaper, that's much like a hive mind if the wall was large enough and the dwarves around them capable of reading/ experiencing the runes both in the past and in the present as they are written.

It's still interesting to me that so much is NOT in the memories (like the meanings of runes). Perhaps they're in the memories in Kal-Sharok (how does one move a magical wall of runes, after all?). 

 

BIOWARE Y U DO DIS???? I wanna go to Kal Sharok and nom all that lore!!!

[laurelinvanyar]

Also, holy nibblets guys. 

How the heck am I going to get all this onto the Solas thread? (I promised I'd post it there too...)

[nikki-tikki]

Holy ****, Liz!!! I was thinking about Skyhold and now I'm wondering if it was also Tyrdda Bright-Axe's stronghold. There's something weird with the forge according to Dagna. 
 
Well great. Now on top of a hidden eluvian, I'm worried about a connection to the deep roads as well.

I think morrigan brought the eluvian to skyhold. If you play TLC she comes to serault to fix it.


  

Perhaps our little Fenris is running around with the most original form of Vallaslin?  What a hipster. 

Omg Fenris' body tattoos....HHHHNNNNNNNNN *NOSEBLEED*