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[Giton]

Falon'Din looks like an emo goth reject who tries too hard.

 

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[MTC]

Chaucer! I'm a medievalist, that is what I actually do. I study Chaucer, and I love you. I would love to talk about "Troilus and Criseyde"--it's my favorite.

 

In terms of the fall of Troy, it is really interesting because is takes the great tragedy of the city and focuses it on the drama between Troilus and his lover. So it goes from wide-angle tragedy to close-up. (Troilus means "little Troy")

 

In Chaucer, Hector is a BAMF. When the Trojan threatened to sell Criseyde as a hostage he basically is the only one to try to shut it down, "We usen no wommen for to selle!" (We aren't savages, we aren't going to trade our women like that even if it is for a warrior.") 

 

Other highlights:

 

The love scene between Troilus and Criseyde is the most erotic scene in Middle English.

 

Troilus gets to laugh at the gods.

 

And Pandarus, a creepy uncle character, subverts the courtly love paradigm.

 

I'm not going to lie, it is difficult but worth it. If you have questions and I have time, I will be happy to help. Because anyone reading that poem is awesome.

 

(Chaucer does Troilus and Criseyde better. Truth.)

 

I read the Chaucer years ago and loved it (and agreed that is was better, although the snarky, manipulative Shakespeare-Cressida is pretty fascinating all on her own, I'm now remembering), and I'll no doubt find a million things to pick your brain about when I read it again. I was an English major for a minute, before I became an artist. So no matter what happens, remember that what we have is real.

 

On topic: Fen'Harel's orb: probably full of glitter?

[MoonDrummer]

I have a dyptych, I want to make it triptych. Suggestions, guys?

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Is it just me, or does he look like Christopher Walken?

[Bad King]

If the creators and the old gods are connected, what are everyone's thoughts on which creators are equivalent to which old gods? In my opinion:

 

Dumat (dragon of silence) - Elgar'nan (god of vengeance) - both are the leaders of their respective pantheons.

 

Toth (dragon of fire) - Sylaise (the hearthkeeper) - both relate to fire.

 

Razikale (dragon of mystery) - Dirthamen (keeper of secrets) - both relate to secrecy.

 

Andoral (dragon of slaves) - June (god of the craft) - both relate to production.

 

Lusacan (dragon of night) - Falon'Din (friend of the dead, the guide) - both relate to the night (the latter in dreaming).

 

Zazikel (dragon of chaos) - Andruil (the hunter) - both bringers of chaos with the latter being driven insane by 'the void'.

 

Urthemiel (dragon of beauty) - Ghilan'nain (mother of the halla) - both relate to things of beauty.

 

Draconis (potentially a forgotten, serpentine old god) - Mythal (the great protector) - both took the shape of serpents according to legend.

 

Then we're left with only Fen'Harel who seems to lack an equivalent at this time.

[vierrae]

Is it just me, or does he look like Christopher Walken?

It's just you, he's supposed to be Madds Mikkelsen's look-alike 

[MoonDrummer]

It's just you, he's supposed to be Madds Mikkelsen's look-alike 

*googles Madds Mikkelsen*

Yeah I can see that now xD

[electricfish]

If the creators and the old gods are connected, what are everyone's thoughts on which creators are equivalent to which old gods? In my opinion:

 

Dumat (dragon of silence) - Elgar'nan (god of vengeance) - both are the leaders of their respective pantheons.

 

Toth (dragon of fire) - Sylaise (the hearthkeeper) - both relate to fire.

 

Razikale (dragon of mystery) - Dirthamen (keeper of secrets) - both relate to secrecy.

 

Andoral (dragon of slaves) - June (god of the craft) - both relate to production.

 

Lusacan (dragon of night) - Falon'Din (friend of the dead, the guide) - both relate to the night (the latter in dreaming).

 

Zazikel (dragon of chaos) - Andruil (the hunter) - both bringers of chaos with the latter being driven insane by 'the void'.

 

Urthemiel (dragon of beauty) - Ghilan'nain (mother of the halla) - both relate to things of beauty.

 

Draconis (potentially a forgotten, serpentine old god) - Mythal (the great protector) - both took the shape of serpents according to legend.

 

Then we're left with only Fen'Harel who seems to lack an equivalent at this time.

I'm digging these connections. I think there's a codex entry where the writer theorizes the existence of an "unknown ninth god," which could relate to Fen'Harel if the Old Gods have more of a connection to the pantheon than simply antagonists.

 

One of the speculations regarding the Old Gods is that they were the most favored disciples of each god and were either allowed to be, or had their souls planted into dragons. They would be Avatars of the gods, representing a facet of their "portfolio," so to speak. Unfortunate corruption after trying to garner influence to control humans, and what not.

 

There is also an interesting one that describes the Old Gods as the Forgotten Ones, who were in opposition of the pantheon.  We know of only four, but surely there was an "opposite" for each god. Really, the main difference between the Forgotten Ones and the Elven Pantheon is that the Pantheon were protective of The People, and the Forgotten Ones were uncaring of them.

[laurelinvanyar]

If the creators and the old gods are connected, what are everyone's thoughts on which creators are equivalent to which old gods? In my opinion:

 

Dumat (dragon of silence) - Elgar'nan (god of vengeance) - both are the leaders of their respective pantheons.

 

Toth (dragon of fire) - Sylaise (the hearthkeeper) - both relate to fire.

 

Razikale (dragon of mystery) - Dirthamen (keeper of secrets) - both relate to secrecy.

 

Andoral (dragon of slaves) - June (god of the craft) - both relate to production.

 

Lusacan (dragon of night) - Falon'Din (friend of the dead, the guide) - both relate to the night (the latter in dreaming).

 

Zazikel (dragon of chaos) - Andruil (the hunter) - both bringers of chaos with the latter being driven insane by 'the void'.

 

Urthemiel (dragon of beauty) - Ghilan'nain (mother of the halla) - both relate to things of beauty.

 

Draconis (potentially a forgotten, serpentine old god) - Mythal (the great protector) - both took the shape of serpents according to legend.

 

Then we're left with only Fen'Harel who seems to lack an equivalent at this time.

The codex entries for the constellations Silentir and Tenebrium connect Dumat with Mythal and Lusacan with Falon'din. All other old gods/elven gods are either unconnected or not mentioned entirely. 

 

I'm certain there IS a connection. I just can't say what. 

[vierrae]

The codex entries for the constellations Silentir and Tenebrium connect Dumat with Mythal and Lusacan with Falon'din. All other old gods/elven gods are either unconnected or not mentioned entirely. 

 

I'm certain there IS a connection. I just can't say what. 

I have an impression, that after the fall of Arlathan Old Gods just took elven pantheon's portfolio and presented themselves this way

[Sable Rhapsody]

Really, the main difference between the Forgotten Ones and the Elven Pantheon is that the Pantheon were protective of The People, and the Forgotten Ones were uncaring of them.

 

At least, according to Dalish lore.  From the updates we've gotten in Inquisition, I think it's more like the Pantheon interacted with the People and governed them to some extent, and the Forgotten Ones just lurked in the abyss.  In fact, it's even possible that some of the less savory elements of the Pantheon's behavior got tacked onto the Forgotten Ones in Dalish stories.  Merrill mentions the Forgotten Ones preying on the People, but it was in fact Andruil who hunted elves and beasts alike.

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[deedylovescake]

While I think it most certainly was full of envy-green glitter, I've been throwing around the idea that it might actually be.. google fiber but for the Fade. A conduit that allows the user to pull larger portions of the fade at faster speeds from across the veil to "reality."

 

Also going to be that stickler who insists that it was Mythal's orb, not Fen'Harel's as per the dev notes. But perhaps those were incorrect? Totally open to that possibility.

 

Wait what I've never heard this bit before?

[Zarro-Morningstar]

I oddly want to read some fanfictions about Falon'Din and Dirthamen. I'm writing my own fic and I'd like to see other portray them in different situations. *braces for the several sexual situations* XD

[Hellion Rex]

My theory is this: the taint got loose in the world (perhaps at the behest of the Old Gods) infecting some of the Elven gods and their people, leading to Solas sealing them all away, maybe? And then the black city was forged to contain the Taint and keep it at bay within a construct permanently anchored in the Fade.

[MTC]

While I think it most certainly was full of envy-green glitter, I've been throwing around the idea that it might actually be.. google fiber but for the Fade. A conduit that allows the user to pull larger portions of the fade at faster speeds from across the veil to "reality."

 

Also going to be that stickler who insists that it was Mythal's orb, not Fen'Harel's as per the dev notes. But perhaps those were incorrect? Totally open to that possibility.

Oh, you're right, I forgot about that note! I recall she says, at the end, something like, "you should not have given your orb to Corypheus", but that might just be for grammatical clarity or whatever. I'm open to either possibility too - I just want to knooooow, already.

 

I also like your conduit theory (as much as I want glitter to be deadly serious and lore-relevant). Edit: In fact, you should describe it at more length, if you feel like it, because I want to know how (or if) you think it relates to the anchor, etc.

[nikki-tikki]

I oddly want to read some fanfictions about Falon'Din and Dirthamen. I'm writing my own fic and I'd like to see other portray them in different situations. *braces for the several sexual situations* XD

 

if you haven't read this one. You'd better. 

 

https://archiveofour...view_adult=true

[Zarro-Morningstar]

if you haven't read this one. You'd better. 

 

https://archiveofour...view_adult=true

The first tag I see is "Disco Hell"...I am in love already. Thank you!

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[MTC]

Okay, we had a lengthy discussion about this, I've put it under spoiler tags so I don't fill up the whole thread:
 

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IT BEGINS HERE.

SECOND POST.

THIRD POST.

You might prefer reading the links, so I have those linked at the top of each post quote. Also, you could read through the thread discussion beginning at the first post!

YOU are a treasure.

Really fascinating stuff. And interesting point, about how Solas doesn't appear to go right for the Eluvians post-game (or care about them throughout the game as much you might expect, though that could just be his careful dissembling [which is what I originally assumed]) - I hadn't thought about that, and it's also supported by the fact that Corypheus isn't actually going to the Temple of Mythal for the Eluvian, either. Not just mobility, and maybe not even just power, but more specifically control?

I'll wade through the old pages, now. Thank youuuuu!

[esh1996]

The more I learn about Andruil the more I believe in the theory: Sera = Andruil.

Reasons:
- Sera Tarot Card and Andruil Mosaic similarities (http://i743.photobuc...ilVallaslin.jpg)
- Similar Appearance (unless the blonde hair in fan art is a creative choice)
- Similar Skills (godly archery skills)
- Andruil going mad and losing memories would explain why Sera might not know the truth about herself
- Solas' truth about Andruil hunting Elves would explain Sera's nature of disliking Elves
- We know nothing concrete about Sera's past, maybe what she's told us is a lie or a construct of her imagination to hide the truth
- Solas and Cole hint at a magical connection between Sera and the Fade
- Solas and Cole hint at there being something more to Sera than we can see
- Sera's greatest fear is 'the nothing' and the void drove Andruil insane
- both lesbian (or atleast bisexual), Sera with Inky and Andruil with Ghilan'nain (if you dismiss the Amdruil-Fen'Harel tale as either false or a one off)
- there is a lot more which I can't remember right now... check out this post for more info: http://forum.bioware...is-sera-really/

What do you guys think?

[nikki-tikki]

The more I learn about Andruil the more I believe in the theory: Sera = Andruil.

Reasons:
- Sera Tarot Card and Andruil Mosaic similarities (http://i743.photobuc...ilVallaslin.jpg)
- Similar Appearance (unless the blonde hair in fan art is a creative choice)
- Similar Skills (godly archery skills)
- Andruil going mad and losing memories would explain why Sera might not know the truth about herself
- Solas' truth about Andruil hunting Elves would explain Sera's nature of disliking Elves
- We know nothing concrete about Sera's past, maybe what she's told us is a lie or a construct of her imagination to hide the truth
- Solas and Cole hint at a magical connection between Sera and the Fade
- Solas and Cole hint at there being something more to Sera than we can see
- Sera's greatest fear is 'the nothing' and the void drove Andruil insane
- both lesbian (or atleast bisexual), Sera with Inky and Andruil with Ghilan'nain (if you dismiss the Amdruil-Fen'Harel tale as either false or a one off)
- there is a lot more which I can't remember right now... check out this post for more info: http://forum.bioware...is-sera-really/

What do you guys think?

 

Andruil = Bad ass. Sera = not. 

 

You're argument is invalid. 

 

 

jk. I'm just hoping that it is not the case. 

[Mims]

I remember that discussion! The orb is still a very interesting piece of the puzzle, considering how it works and how it is not innately tied to Fen'Harel's being. For whatever reason, it wasn't tailored to only be used by a singular entity.

 

Which means that:

 

A. Fen'Harel was so arrogant that he didn't think the orb would possibly fall into the hands of anyone else.

B. The orb did not originally belong to Fen'Harel, and it channels the power of someone else.

C. The orb is strictly a magical device with no "divine" properties at all. 

 

While we don't know if she has any connection to orbs, I think Ghilan'nain is also an interesting consideration. She was a mortal that petitioned for godhood and was granted it. If the orbs were basically exploitation devices, that would explain how such great powers could be passed on readily. 

[MTC]

I remember that discussion! The orb is still a very interesting piece of the puzzle, considering how it works and how it is not innately tied to Fen'Harel's being. For whatever reason, it wasn't tailored to only be used by a singular entity.

 

Which means that:

 

A. Fen'Harel was so arrogant that he didn't think the orb would possibly fall into the hands of anyone else.

B. The orb did not originally belong to Fen'Harel, and it channels the power of someone else.

C. The orb is strictly a magical device with no "divine" properties at all. 

 

While we don't know if she has any connection to orbs, I think Ghilan'nain is also an interesting consideration. She was a mortal that petitioned for godhood and was granted it. If the orbs were basically exploitation devices, that would explain how such great powers could be passed on readily. 

Yeah, Ghilan'nain! Really curious about how the godhood crossover happened (or if that's even how they viewed it, at the time).

 

It makes you wonder how the orbs were made, too - and by who. It would have to be either nearly impossible to create them because of the cost in power or materials, or an anvil of the void type of situation with one creator (June?) who knew the secret but refused to exploit it. Or both. (You guys may well have covered all this stuff already, of course). But at any rate, fashioning a replacement doesn't seem to be an option.

 

(Edited because ugh, grammar.)