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[BoscoBread]

Not important, but I just realized that the 5 reeds mythal is depicted with probably represents her 5 children: Falon'din, Sylaise, Andruil, Dirthamen and June (who somehow "created himself" in legends)

 

I wonder if they were really her children.  I don't think they were.  I wonder if they were the first that she and elgarnan raised up from "mortals" thus becoming her first and most beloved.  June, I still maintain, is a dwarf. He's often depicted with an anvil and BW has been very careful to clarify that elves do not blacksmith.  He's also usually seen much bigger and rounder - jolly dwarf sized. The creation of himself - much like a paragon - they raise themselves up to godhood through great works.  They create something spectacular and society says you are worthy of godhood. 

[BoscoBread]

What I dont like about swevenfox's renderings is that he makes them look like demons...they're not. They are elven gods. Flemythal doesn't have smoke hair...and she dresses super fabulously. Even if they weren't "gods" in the term, they were deemed so by their followers for a reason. They would be adorned with gold and jewels and anything remotely valuable and fantastic to reinforce their position as gods. 

 

gods are fabulously and lavishly dressed. end rant because i'm still stuck on my painting of falon'din....

Oh Nikki!  Take a break. DRAW ME A JUNE. A BEAUTIFUL JUNE. Or do the color prompts. 

[nikki-tikki]

Oh Nikki!  Take a break. DRAW ME A JUNE. A BEAUTIFUL JUNE. Or do the color prompts. 

 

Color prompts HA HAH AHAHAHA HA HA AHHAHAH...... :| 

 

maybe. 

[MoonDrummer]

I think that whenever Solas says that the Elven gods are either spirits, powerful mages or something never seen before, what he means is that they are all 3 of those things. 

 

Mythal and Elgar'Nan, being the first gods to exist I think are just spirits. Fen'Harel, Ghilain'Nein and possibly June, are just very powerful Elves, as they seem to have been raised to Godhood. Something never seen before, I think could be the children of spirits (half-spirits?), so this includes Andruil, Sylaise, Falon'Din and Dirthamen. Din and Dirt are said to be brothers whilst Sylaise and Andruil and said to be sisters, yet there isn't any mention of all 4 being related to eachother, so the five reed thing that Myahele mentioned is interesting.

 

June is strange though, his story sounds a bit like Cole's to me so I stumped. 

 

-I'm terrible at this.

Modifié par MoonDrummer, 01 avril 2015 - 05:59 .

[MoonDrummer]

I wonder if they were really her children.  I don't think they were.  I wonder if they were the first that she and elgarnan raised up from "mortals" thus becoming her first and most beloved.  June, I still maintain, is a dwarf. He's often depicted with an anvil and BW has been very careful to clarify that elves do not blacksmith.  He's also usually seen much bigger and rounder - jolly dwarf sized. The creation of himself - much like a paragon - they raise themselves up to godhood through great works.  They create something spectacular and society says you are worthy of godhood. 

If June is a dwarf the whole creating himself thing, could be describing Dwarves coming from the stone. June is the stone!

[BoscoBread]

If June is a dwarf the whole creating himself thing, could be describing Dwarves coming from the stone. June is the stone!

Well i think it's more a proto-paragon.  you "create" your own godhood through hard work and skill(along with savvy political maneuvering).  that's how i view it.  i tend to be more pragmatic about my theories so they aren't any fun or mystical like yours.  

[Giton]

I wonder if they were really her children.  I don't think they were.  I wonder if they were the first that she and elgarnan raised up from "mortals" thus becoming her first and most beloved.  June, I still maintain, is a dwarf. He's often depicted with an anvil and BW has been very careful to clarify that elves do not blacksmith.  He's also usually seen much bigger and rounder - jolly dwarf sized. The creation of himself - much like a paragon - they raise themselves up to godhood through great works.  They create something spectacular and society says you are worthy of godhood. 

Yeah, I agree. I am definitely not on the Mythal as literal mother train. Figurative mother, yes. But literally? No.

[Delphine]

Falon'Din has a different outfit to fit each beautiful owl.  The top one is made by falon'din and it's cloak pin for the most hideous light blue cape.

 

I... Am I Falon'Din? I feel weird right now.

 

Spoiler

Yeah, I have very owly&girly taste, I guess. Not enough glitter for the Falon'Din, though.

 

 

I would love this. I definitely would love this. But you know how Bioware is with hair in their games. 

 

I don't know, I quite love Mythal's style! So I still have expectations, but there's a voice in the back of my head still warning me that this is Bioware, and that these expectations are gonna get crushed, but oh well.

[Mirielle]

Apologies if someone has mentioned this before, but in the mosaic depiction of Mythal...don't you think she looks heavily pregnant? You know, heavy breasts and swollen belly? This would ring true with traditional depictions of "Earth Mother" types IRL.

 

[myahele]

 

Apologies if someone has mentioned this before, but in the mosaic depiction of Mythal...don't you think she looks heavily pregnant? You know, heavy breasts and swollen belly? This would ring true with traditional depictions of "Earth Mother" types IRL.

 

 

 

She is portrait how a woman would her her child in a painting:

 

 

 

I don't think she's pregnant in the mosaic. Rather, she's holding her "children" which are represented as those 5 reeds (or whatever plant they are.)

 

Edit: Ok, I just noticed that she has breast

[legbamel]

She definitely looks...well-endowed.  I can't really tell if the curve at her belly is baby belly or just the leaves and stones following those lines.  Perhaps she was Reubenesque, a zaftig beauty in glittering muumuus?

[Rhoxi]

I've been away for a bit, and now it appears that the g-chat has changed. Anyone got a link for the new channel? BECAUSE I MISS YOU GUYS.

[MoonDrummer]

 

Apologies if someone has mentioned this before, but in the mosaic depiction of Mythal...don't you think she looks heavily pregnant? You know, heavy breasts and swollen belly? This would ring true with traditional depictions of "Earth Mother" types IRL.

 

 

Yeah actually, I can see it. 

[Raeona]

Yeah, I agree. I am definitely not on the Mythal as literal mother train. Figurative mother, yes. But literally? No.

 

For all that she screwed up Morrigan she certainly acts the part. The way she acts in the first two games, she's pretty much the mother of both the protagonists, going around making sure they all clean their rooms and get to work on time. She even stops to rudely tell them she thinks their friends are all losers. 

[nikki-tikki]

For all that she screwed up Morrigan she certainly acts the part. The way she acts in the first two games, she's pretty much the mother of both the protagonists, going around making sure they all clean their rooms and get to work on time. She even stops to rudely tell them she thinks their friends are all losers. 

 

That is actually pretty accurate...

[Arcanista]

This seems like the place to take my wondering, but it's a little bit mechanical as yet.

 

To wit: the ravens of Dirthamen. Fear and Deceit strike me as demon names. Fear would obviously be a fear demon of some sort, but what would that make Deceit? I'm kind of inclined to desire, actually, if only because if you invert it into something positive (pencilled in for fic purposes as Mellifluence) for a 'spirit' form, pretty much everything I can think of seems like it would go with a purpose/desire entity, just going by the other names for them that we've seen in canon.

 

I think that works, but I'm veeeery open to second opinions on this, 'cause I need to fic stuff involving them and it's up next on my slate once I finish an unrelated keme fill, lol.

[Raeona]

To wit: the ravens of Dirthamen. Fear and Deceit strike me as demon names. Fear would obviously be a fear demon of some sort, but what would that make Deceit? I'm kind of inclined to desire, actually, if only because if you invert it into something positive (pencilled in for fic purposes as Mellifluence) for a 'spirit' form, pretty much everything I can think of seems like it would go with a purpose/desire entity, just going by the other names for them that we've seen in canon.

 

I think that works, but I'm veeeery open to second opinions on this, 'cause I need to fic stuff involving them and it's up next on my slate once I finish an unrelated keme fill, lol.

 

 

It could be desire but there's no reason why deceit couldn't just a regular demon in its own right that we haven't met yet. There had been no mention of spirits of wisdom or compassion (if my memory serves me) until Inquisition. Perhaps the deceit demons are super rare? Or maybe they're so overwhelmingly common nobody notices them anymore. 

 

Alternatively, it could be sloth, who is said to among the most cunning and powerful, crafting vast elaborate illusions just to get you to give up and stay home.  

[Giton]

This seems like the place to take my wondering, but it's a little bit mechanical as yet.

 

To wit: the ravens of Dirthamen. Fear and Deceit strike me as demon names. Fear would obviously be a fear demon of some sort, but what would that make Deceit? I'm kind of inclined to desire, actually, if only because if you invert it into something positive (pencilled in for fic purposes as Mellifluence) for a 'spirit' form, pretty much everything I can think of seems like it would go with a purpose/desire entity, just going by the other names for them that we've seen in canon.

 

I think that works, but I'm veeeery open to second opinions on this, 'cause I need to fic stuff involving them and it's up next on my slate once I finish an unrelated keme fill, lol.

Yay! Another person writing about the Pantheon. Dirthamen! Yes!

 

Anyhoo, I think those ideas are perfectly valid. You may even consider Deceit as some form of pride, in that deceit is, at it's core, a maneuver of intellect, and you have to have some degree of cunning and confidence to be able to trick someone. So you might consider that as a possible option. Perchance.

[nikki-tikki]

This seems like the place to take my wondering, but it's a little bit mechanical as yet.

 

To wit: the ravens of Dirthamen. Fear and Deceit strike me as demon names. Fear would obviously be a fear demon of some sort, but what would that make Deceit? I'm kind of inclined to desire, actually, if only because if you invert it into something positive (pencilled in for fic purposes as Mellifluence) for a 'spirit' form, pretty much everything I can think of seems like it would go with a purpose/desire entity, just going by the other names for them that we've seen in canon.

 

I think that works, but I'm veeeery open to second opinions on this, 'cause I need to fic stuff involving them and it's up next on my slate once I finish an unrelated keme fill, lol.

 

I think that they may have been really powerful demons (enough to try and tempt a god) and Dirthamen knew exactly how to counter them. It's the greatest thing. And now I have to make Fear and Deceit a thing...

[Arcanista]

Yeah, it could very easily be a new sort of demon, though I think that's not my first choice of direction. Theory-fic is tricky because I know it's gonna end up in la-la land but at least the basics I want anchored in canon.

 

Pride works. Hmmmm. I might avoid that though if only because pride has a surface connection to Solas, and I'm definitely setting up an opposition here that I want big and blatant.

 

Sloth though... ****, thaaaat's worth considering. Like, I need a proactive force, yeah, but in spirit form Sloth could easily speak to long-game planning; the endless setup phase, and given the encounter occurs during the Blight to set up for things that won't occur for seventeen years... yeah, yeah that might do. And given the lady making deals with these beings (the lovely lady to the left of my post) is absolutely terrified of the things embodied by sloth... yeah, that might do, that might do very well for why the tag team were specifically attracted to her... And Sloth goes very well with the things that Deceit legendarily said to Dirthamen... yeah, yeah, that's the ticket. Just need to think of a good spirit name, but for once that's a problem solved, rather than created, with a thesarus.

 

Yeah. Yeah, that's the stuff. Hoo boy now that I've got the Well stuff written and out of the way, it's just so nice knowing I'm fully ready to descend straight into Elf Hell.

[nikki-tikki]

 

Yeah. Yeah, that's the stuff. Hoo boy now that I've got the Well stuff written and out of the way, it's just so nice knowing I'm fully ready to descend straight into Elf Hell.

 

Join us....

[Giton]

 

Yeah. Yeah, that's the stuff. Hoo boy now that I've got the Well stuff written and out of the way, it's just so nice knowing I'm fully ready to descend straight into Elf Hell.

Yes, join us in the den of glittery iniquity.

 

[Arcanista]

I've never been one to say no to dens of iniquity!

[Raeona]

Sloth though... ****, thaaaat's worth considering. Like, I need a proactive force, yeah, but in spirit form Sloth could easily speak to long-game planning; the endless setup phase, and given the encounter occurs during the Blight to set up for things that won't occur for seventeen years... yeah, yeah that might do. And given the lady making deals with these beings (the lovely lady to the left of my post) is absolutely terrified of the things embodied by sloth... yeah, that might do, that might do very well for why the tag team were specifically attracted to her... And Sloth goes very well with the things that Deceit legendarily said to Dirthamen... yeah, yeah, that's the ticket. Just need to think of a good spirit name, but for once that's a problem solved, rather than created, with a thesarus.

 

I always liked that despite the name Sloth was such a go-getter. There seems to be a bit more thought and cunning to his approach, and he's definitely playing the long con. His slow and meticulous ways would undoubtedly serve the keeper of secrets admirably.

 

Not to mention, sloth is inaction, resignation. Dirthamen isn't like Elgarnan or Andruil with their loud and extravagant violence. He's quietly watching, waiting, planning, while others thunder about and pay no mind to the schemer in the corner who probably isn't very dangerous looking. Nope, nothing to see here. Move along citizen.

[Arcanista]

Yeah, and when you look at the ways fear can entice someone to inaction, the teamup makes perfect sense. Some sort of symbiotic relationship there, and when they get turned to Dirthamen's ends? Brrr.

 

There's an elf-like being who's always, always going to come up on top. Eventually.