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[KaiserShep]

We can now sit back in the knowledge that the new game they're making will not have any romances.

Or they will, but it all ends in tears.

[Ieldra]

Hm... What do you mean?

Consider the character development of Mordin and Miranda. I think Weekes has a rather conventional outlook when it comes to morality. This works well for characters like Cole (while it didn't for Mordin and Miranda), and I think Weekes has a gift for writing characters with a degree of "otherness", but I don't think we'll see controversial ethical viewpoints given their due with him, and I don't think we'll see a return to the darker tone of the previous games. 

 

Will Tevinter lose its status as the Evil Empire, which is only fit to be fought, and never admired for anything it ever did, regardless of whether it was admirable from a reasonable viewpoint, just because it was associated with evil? IMO the chances of that have just taken a downturn.

[Grieving Natashina]

This is pretty sad, but I'm curious to see what's going forward.  A few things came to mind though:

 

1) I wonder if this is why he shutdown his Tumblr blog.  If he's going forward with a new IP, he probably doesn't want tons of questions about it.  I would also imagine that he wouldn't be talking about Dragon Age for now so he can focus his energy towards a new project.

 

2) When it comes to characters like Maevaris, DG seems like the type to leave an outline or at least a template.  He may be working on another project, but I'm betting that he is going to have creative input on her.  David won't be the author, but I don't think he'd leave Mae just hanging like that.  He's leaving DA behind, however I think he still wants Mae in the next game.

 

3) Here's the hardest part personally.  This is melancholy for me, because David actually talked to the fans outside of Twitter.  He was interactive on Twitter, but (more) importantly to me, he was active on the forums and on Tumblr.  He was the only reason why I ever went there.

 

 I've become certain that most of the writers don't post due to some of the toxicity of the forums.  I'm not trying to give anyone a hard time, so please don't mistake me there.  However, this is not a friendly place towards the authors and devs.  

 

"Why didn't you make Vivienne a romance?  You're racist!"

"Why didn't let us romance a female elf? You hate elf fans!"

"Why didn't you make Scout Harding a companion?   You hate dwarf fans!"

"Why didn't you let me kill all the mages?  You hate templar fans!"

"EA sucks!  Quit your job!"

 

And so on, and so on.  We all know that's not the worst of it.  

 

The writers don't have to even be around to get harassed about their characters.  David was the only one that could dish it out as well as take it.  He's also been the most willing to engage us about lore subjects.  Now that he's moved on from the franchise...I don't know.  I can completely understand and agree that he should move on if DA is getting stale for him.  Also, as much as I love his writing, the franchise could use some fresh eyes.

 

I guess the writers will post on rare occasion, and hopefully Mike Laidlaw and Patrick Weekes will actually talk to the fans.  I have my doubts, but I suppose we'll just have to see.  

 

It's a little depressing that all we have is snippets on Twitter.  Inside jokes between the VAs and the writers.  Announcements on patches.  Chitchat.  And little else.   I know that the writers have every right not to be here and I can't blame them.  I know I'll miss actually talking to a writer about the lore and getting more than 140 characters of an answer.  

 

Edited out some spoilers.  Sorry about that.  

[Hazegurl]

So where did he ever say he was sick of the franchise?

Usually bringing up wanting to try something fresh means you're sick of whatever it was you were doing before.  And before you get all defensive, it's not a bad thing to get tired of doing something for over a decade. I've worked on a project for years and was thankful when it was over cause as much as I loved it I was sick of it and needed to move on.

[(Disgusted noise.)]

Consider the character development of Mordin and Miranda. I think Weekes has a rather conventional outlook when it comes to morality. This works well for characters like Cole (while it didn't for Mordin and Miranda), and I think Weekes has a gift for writing characters with a degree of "otherness", but I don't think we'll see controversial ethical viewpoints given their due with him, and I don't think we'll see a return to the darker tone of the previous games. 

 

Will Tevinter lose its status as the Evil Empire, which is only fit to be fought, and never admired for anything it ever did, regardless of whether it was admirable from a reasonable viewpoint, just because it was associated with evil? IMO the chances of that have just taken a downturn.

Weekes wrote Miranda? That's the first I'm hearing of that. (She wasn't mentioned on the wiki with the rest of his characters.)

[Ieldra]

Weekes wrote Miranda? That's the first I'm hearing of that. (She wasn't mentioned on the wiki with the rest of his characters.)

He wrote her for ME2. Jay Watamaniuk took over for ME3, but more or less wrote along the lines set by his predecessor. (Hmm....I do recall that right, do I?)

 

Oh, and he actually wrote three books, not two. I overlooked that "The Palace Job" has a sequel.

[Silcron]

I think this is great news. DAI seemed to have been made by a cracked team, in the sense that the DA2 hate, the ME3 hate, Bioware put on the spotlight on many feminism in games talks...and all the hate and vitriol flying around those conversations got to them. DAI's story and characters appear to be going somewhere and then stopped. Something like:

"We could have Cory attack the Inquisition's HQ in the end, trashing the whole thing while the PC works hard to beat him."

"BUT HOW WILLL THE PLAYERS REACT?! THEY HAVE SPENT THE GAME UPGRADING THAT BASE! WE CAN'T TRASH THAT!"

From his tweets and work on DAI I get the feeling that Weekes is really confident in what he is doing while Gaider, well, he was constantly exposed to internet hate from tumblr to twitter, I think that was burning him.

So all in all this may revitalize DA, which it desperately needs in my opinion and it gives Gaider an opportunity to put his talent to work away from all the stress, which in my opinion he needs.

So yeah, good news and I wish the best of luck to both of them

[Elfyoth]

I think this is great news. DAI seemed to have been made by a cracked team, in the sense that the DA2 hate, the ME3 hate, Bioware put on the spotlight on many feminism in games talks...and all the hate and vitriol flying around those conversations got to them. DAI's story and characters appear to be going somewhere and then stopped. Something like:

"We could have Cory attack the Inquisition's HQ in the end, trashing the whole thing while the PC works hard to beat him."

"BUT HOW WILLL THE PLAYERS REACT?! THEY HAVE SPENT THE GAME UPGRADING THAT BASE! WE CAN'T TRASH THAT!"

From his tweets and work on DAI I get the feeling that Weekes is really confident in what he is doing while Gaider, well, he was constantly exposed to internet hate from tumblr to twitter, I think that was burning him.

So all in all this may revitalize DA, which it desperately needs in my opinion and it gives Gaider an opportunity to put his talent to work away from all the stress, which in my opinion he needs.

So yeah, good news and I wish the best of luck to both of them

Idc if we would get the Desire Demons back and Idc if they would have clothes, feminism or not, the jokes on Desire Demons are classical. 

[kyles3]

I'm a fan of Gaider's writing, but I found DA:I's plot disappointing and uninspired. I think this move will be good for everyone. I have faith that Weekes will do good work in his new role and that Gaider will benefit from working on something fresh and new.

[Farangbaa]

Why the long and sad faces?

He's working a new project. To me, that sounds like a new IP.

Bioware needs IPs. I need new IPs.

I'm happy.

[Giubba]

after so many years following every single lore/story subject of an entire franchise it's pretty normal desire a change

[SomberXIII]

Why the long and sad faces?

He's working a new project. To me, that sounds like a new IP.

Bioware needs IPs. I need new IPs.

I'm happy.

We, too, are happy to know that he's working on a new project. On the other hand, we are deeply saddened because he no longer works on the project which makes us happy.

[NRieh]

I'm worried, and also sad. Whatever happens to DA from now on, it'll never be the same without DG. Probably that's one of the reasons they had involved Patrick in DAI that much, to make it feel more 'seamless'. I hope DG took his part in the DLC writing. 

 

Mr. Gaider, if you're  reading this - Good luck with your new project and with other things too! Ignore the haters. I'm going to miss your DA and your characters. Thanks for everything.

[Felya87]

Consider the character development of Mordin and Miranda. I think Weekes has a rather conventional outlook when it comes to morality. This works well for characters like Cole (while it didn't for Mordin and Miranda), and I think Weekes has a gift for writing characters with a degree of "otherness", but I don't think we'll see controversial ethical viewpoints given their due with him, and I don't think we'll see a return to the darker tone of the previous games. 

 

Will Tevinter lose its status as the Evil Empire, which is only fit to be fought, and never admired for anything it ever did, regardless of whether it was admirable from a reasonable viewpoint, just because it was associated with evil? IMO the chances of that have just taken a downturn.

 

He wrote Jack, not Miranda...

[goofyomnivore]

Wasn't Miranda written by two or three people in ME2. I haven't thought of ME2 in ages, but I remember it being discussed as to why her character was sometimes all over the place personality wise. And lots of people were happy she was going to have just one writer in ME3. I remember Weekes on Twitter vouching for the new guy, and saying what parts of Miranda he wrote. This was years ago, so I could be remembering wrong. 

 

Anyways I've loved almost everything Weekes has written, so I'm happy he is the new Lead, but man I'm gonna miss David Gaider. He was probably my favorite developer to read/listen to when it came to fan interaction. Mr. Gaider has also made many of my favorite video game characters ever, but I'm happy he is getting to work on a new IP, and I wish him the very best.

[Draining Dragon]

Press F to pay respects.

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[Kulyok]

That's great and incredible news. I love Patrick Weekes' writing, and his Solas romance was simply the best, so yay DA4, and yay all DAI story DLCs(which I hope are coming!)

[Lebanese Dude]

 

 

Will Tevinter lose its status as the Evil Empire, which is only fit to be fought, and never admired for anything it ever did, regardless of whether it was admirable from a reasonable viewpoint, just because it was associated with evil?

 

The outlook of the Tevinter Imperium has already changed after the events of the temple. The next installment will very likely continue this trend, irrelevant of Weekes' input.

[Lee T]

Seems like a good news altogether.

It's better to see David Gaider leave before he gets bored, and it will be interesting to see him working on a fresh project.

It'll be interesting to see what Patrick Weekes does know that he's in charge and has to prove himself.

[Ieldra]

The outlook of the Tevinter Imperium has already changed after the events of the temple. The next installment will very likely continue this trend, irrelevant of Weekes' input.

We'll see. The thing is, Weekes has written fascinating characters, but with the exception of Cole they often had a thematic slant I didn't like. Meanwhile, Gaider wrote my all-time-favorite with Morrigan, and two other favorites with Cassandra and Dorian, and he managed to create a character whose thematic slant I don't like and turn her into one of my favorites because it was handled so well. 

 

But as I said, whatever else you can say about him, Weekes knows how to write and his range is wide enough given how different "The Masked Empire" is from "The Palace Job". So I'm not worried about DA. it's in good hands. Whether it will remain one of my favorite fictional settings, that remains to be seen.

[Xilizhra]

Consider the character development of Mordin and Miranda. I think Weekes has a rather conventional outlook when it comes to morality. This works well for characters like Cole (while it didn't for Mordin and Miranda), and I think Weekes has a gift for writing characters with a degree of "otherness", but I don't think we'll see controversial ethical viewpoints given their due with him, and I don't think we'll see a return to the darker tone of the previous games. 

 

Will Tevinter lose its status as the Evil Empire, which is only fit to be fought, and never admired for anything it ever did, regardless of whether it was admirable from a reasonable viewpoint, just because it was associated with evil? IMO the chances of that have just taken a downturn.

Given the redemptive arcs of Miranda and Mordin, I think the odds for Tevinter being redeemed in a similar way are actually quite a bit higher.

[Ieldra]

Given the redemptive arcs of Miranda and Mordin, I think the odds for Tevinter being redeemed in a similar way are actually quite a bit higher.

I think I mentioned I hated the redemptive arcs of Miranda and Mordin. Why? Because they were tied to rejecting things that should not be regarded as evil in principle. It's exactly the reason why I said that Weekes appears to have a rather conventional outlook on morality.

 

I don't want Tevinter conventionally redeemed. Well, ok, I'm not at all against it, but my primary desire is to disassociate the "push the boundaries of magic" theme from its unfair association with evil. You could say I want to challenge the ideological core of Andrastianism, rather than having Tevinter back under its umbrella in spirit.

[Xilizhra]

I think I mentioned I hated the redemptive arcs of Miranda and Mordin, because they were tied to rejecting things that should not be regarded as evil in principle. It's exactly the reason why I said that Weekes appears to have a rather conventional outlook on morality.

 

I don't want Tevinter conventionally redeemed. Well, ok, I'm not at all against it, but my primary desire is to disassociate the "push the boundaries of magic" theme from its unfair association with evil.

Miranda's arc wasn't really about opposition to genetic enhancement, just about not being defined by it. I also don't think that Tevinter is really associated with that theme anymore; they're basically just all-mage Orlais now.

[Akrabra]

This saddens me greatly. He wrote my favourite characters for these games. Alistair, Morrigan, Cassandra and Dorian. So unqiue approach to character writing, totally different feel. He had depth in his work. Also he has been instrumental in giving us this fantastic lore to play around with. So thanks for your work on the Dragon Age series Gaider, you will be sorely missed.