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It's official: All future Dragon Age games will suck.


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Let's be honest, very few of those setups belong to them. 90% of Mass Effect was just Babylon 5, recycled. (It never ceases to amaze me how many people still think Morden's singing was somehow original... They even used the same damn song, ffs.)

 

and Revelation Space.



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Everything changes, he did put together a solid team of writers I'm sure things will carry on just fine and look foreward to seeing what the new project is.


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Everything changes, he did put together a solid team of writers I'm sure things will carry on just fine and look foreward to seeing what the new project is.

 

Something with "Call of" or "Battlefield" in the main title.



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Spoiler

 

I think the logical course is first see results and then panic, rather than panic and then see results. (unless you are a pessimist and generally think that the world is black, but then you would long accept the fact and wouldn't panic)



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I think this is a good thing. He was at his best with some of the companion characters he has created, but overall story, retcons and plot holes in DA2 and DA:I are hardly impressive. I think it's high time someone new takes the lead. 


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For all we know it could end up being even better with a fresh perspective on the team.



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It's official all future pronouncements on BSN will be hyperbole

 

Spoiler


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#183
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*Sigh* I knew some thread like this would pop up... DUDE, Patrick Weeks is a good writer, let him try at least before you say the next DA game will suck, what if its better? 

 

 

because they are 1.5/3 for good games in the series?



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As i said, Im more worried about the lack of Dwarves for the next game. With Turner and Hepler gone, who will continue writing them?
 
Playing as a dwarf in Origins was some of the most fun I've ever had in an RPG. Both origins were fantastic; playing a stoic Noble who backed Harrowmont to stop my conniving brother from taking the throne and destroying our traditions was great, while going from petty criminal to kingmaker (and killing my boss and former best friend along the way) as a Commoner was an absolute blast. Oghren was a sound deconstruction of the "drunken dwarf barbarian" trope while Sigrun's suicidal streak was a great way of showing the unique spin Dragon Age has on dwarves.
 
Fast-forward to DA2. Varric is a surfacer, whose character has nothing to do with dwarven culture. The Orzammar choices led to a whopping one possible side quest. You deal with nothing but the Carta. The one bit of neat dwarf lore - the implications of the primeval thaig - are quickly brushed off, in favor of the human-centric plot.
 
Inquisition lets us play as a dwarf... a surfacer assumed to be an Andrastian, whose background ties into nothing but a couple War Table missions. Varric comes back and continues to have nothing to do with "real" dwarven culture. Scout Harding may as well be human (being from Redcliffe and having no culturally ties to the dwarves) while Dagna is a willing outcast who only talks about magic. More of the Carta, more humans taking red lyrium, blah blah blah.
 
Why does Orzammar never come up, or Kal-Sharok for that matter? Why do we hear nothing about the lost dwarf empire while we drown in exposition about the ancient elves? Where are the dwarves who aren't from the surface? It's a huge letdown, and I doubt it's something we'll see change. I hope someone else is upset by this. 

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#185
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Dude Patrick Weekes is a very good writer. Remember the parts in ME3 that didn't suck? Weekes was one of those writers.


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Dude Patrick Weekes is a very good writer. Remember the parts in ME3 that didn't suck? Weekes was one of those writers.

 

Didn't he write Mordin in ME3? I know he did in ME2.



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As i said, Im more worried about the lack of Dwarves for the next game. With Turner and Hepler gone, who will continue writing them?

Playing as a dwarf in Origins was some of the most fun I've ever had in an RPG. Both origins were fantastic; playing a stoic Noble who backed Harrowmont to stop my conniving brother from taking the throne and destroying our traditions was great, while going from petty criminal to kingmaker (and killing my boss and former best friend along the way) as a Commoner was an absolute blast. Oghren was a sound deconstruction of the "drunken dwarf barbarian" trope while Sigrun's suicidal streak was a great way of showing the unique spin Dragon Age has on dwarves.

Fast-forward to DA2. Varric is a surfacer, whose character has nothing to do with dwarven culture. The Orzammar choices led to a whopping one possible side quest. You deal with nothing but the Carta. The one bit of neat dwarf lore - the implications of the primeval thaig - are quickly brushed off, in favor of the human-centric plot.

Inquisition lets us play as a dwarf... a surfacer assumed to be an Andrastian, whose background ties into nothing but a couple War Table missions. Varric comes back and continues to have nothing to do with "real" dwarven culture. Scout Harding may as well be human (being from Redcliffe and having no culturally ties to the dwarves) while Dagna is a willing outcast who only talks about magic. More of the Carta, more humans taking red lyrium, blah blah blah.

Why does Orzammar never come up, or Kal-Sharok for that matter? Why do we hear nothing about the lost dwarf empire while we drown in exposition about the ancient elves? Where are the dwarves who aren't from the surface? It's a huge letdown, and I doubt it's something we'll see change. I hope someone else is upset by this.


There are some codex entries about Kal-Sharok and Orzammar (mostly about role surfacers play in the survival of the kingdom), some hints about dwarves from Cole and Solas and of course the surface thaig! Don't tell me you'd forgotten about that!

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There are some codex entries about Kal-Sharok and Orzammar (mostly about role surfacers play in the survival of the kingdom), some hints about dwarves from Cole and Solas and of course the surface thaig! Don't tell me you'd forgotten about that!

Codex entries mean nothing if you can't go to the said places. i'd rather meet more Dwarves and learn from them then some codex. I think dwarves in general are really unrepresented in Dragon Age 2 and Inquisition. Both games only have 1 dwarf companion where as they have 2 elves and a whole bunch of humans. Did inquisition really need 5 human companions? Sure Cole is a spirit, but he's basically human. Orzammar was also really cool. It's a shame they've abandoned Dwarven cities, people and politics.



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I doubt I will even notice that Gaider is gone.



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I doubt I will even notice that Gaider is gone.

Well since gaider wrote most of the characters like Alistair and Morrigan, i'm hopping Weekes doesn't end up butchering them just like with Anders when Hepler took over to write him and ended up butchering him.



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So a bit of news: I have decided leave Dragon Age and move onto a new, upcoming BioWare project (which I can't discuss).

 

Seriously, him and Patrick Weekes were 90% of what I liked about DA:I. I'm such a pessimist lol, but I just don't see future games being any good now. This is akin to Drew K leaving Mass Effect and then you got ME3 which by all means was good, but just not enough like ME1 or ME2.

 

 

 

Self fulfilling prophecy. Anything you dislike about future games you will now attribute to this. Where in fact if you played them without ever knowing he left you wouldn't even notice the difference.



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Well since gaider wrote most of the characters like Alistair and Morrigan, i'm hopping Weekes doesn't end up butchering them just like with Anders when Hepler took over to write him and ended up butchering him.

Weekes isn't Hepler, fortunately.



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Weekes isn't Hepler, fortunately.

We shall see how he does with it. If he does end up butchering them just as i feared, don't make me say "I told you so".


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Well since gaider wrote most of the characters like Alistair and Morrigan, i'm hopping Weekes doesn't end up butchering them just like with Anders when Hepler took over to write him and ended up butchering him.


They most likely won't even appear in the future

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ME Team =/= DA Team

That's what I told myself after DA2 came out and I was so disappointed with it but hopeful for ME3. Boy was there egg on my face when ME3 actually came out! :lol:

 

I like Patrick Weekes though and think he'll do a great job.



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I wonder if we can get anymore over-dramatic with our thread titles in the future; "ran out of Kool-Aid, earth explodes!", "Got a flat tire, the dinosaurs died...again." 

 

Char creator only has dismal hair models, aliens destroy America.



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Self fulfilling prophecy. Anything you dislike about future games you will now attribute to this. Where in fact if you played them without ever knowing he left you wouldn't even notice the difference.

I played ME3 not knowing anything about who wrote what and I had no clue who Drew Karpyshyn was, but I still noticed how a lot of major characters were written differently.

 

But that's beside the point... Like I said earlier I made this thread too early lol because I lit up when I saw Patrick Weekes is now lead and that is super fitting because of Solas and all that crap and he wrote a lot of things I liked in Mass Effect 3 (along with John Dombrow) whereas I'm less hot on most other writers at Bioware if I take into account what they wrote and what I think about those.



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The Masked Empire, AKA the most pointless piece of Dragon Age literature imaginable. Set up a huge civil war in Orlais that we see virtually none of in Inquisition, which is then wrapped up in a single main quest that had the premise of them starting peace talks already.

 

I haven't read TME, but I don't think it would be fair to blame the book for the disappointing portrayal of the civil war in the game. That's a flaw with how the game was written. 



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They most likely won't even appear in the future

i can see the outrage from fans if their beloved characters are written out of the series with no mention of their whereabouts if that happens. mark my words...



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They most likely won't even appear in the future

Yeah I don't think we will see much of Alistair, especially if he is the King and if the Abyss thing was what I think it was. Morrigan though might appear.