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Next game, can we have elven companions that don't hate other elves?


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Okay BioWare, you made your point.

 

You hate elves. You hate elves that like other elves. You hate elves that like being elves. You hate the Dalish!

 

You've done everything in your power to punish the Dalish every chance you get. You've done everything in your power to try to shame and punish a Dalish PC for being Dalish. You make it absurdly easy to get our clan wiped out in the war table missions. You retconned Dalish culture to having a strict "3 mages per Clan" rule in which most clans abandon excess mage children to die--despite how the previous game stating that magic is dying among them and they're trying to encourage magic as part of their elven heritage. Something which most characters (and the narrative) jump to condemn the entire culture for. You present a people desperate to hold onto their dying culture as backwards and pretentious (unless they say "It's all p!ss! Let's sh!t on it and walk away" like Sera), and you reveal many horrible "truths" about ancient elven religion and history and present it as a poor reflection on the Dalish for not knowing instead of an honest mistake that anyone could have made in their position.

 

And, of course, our two and only elven companions hate the Dalish and pull no punches telling the Dalish PC why. Not only that, but they aren't fond of other elves in general. They try to distance themselves from other elves, put down an Elven PC that tries to claim kin, and jump at the chance to say why modern elves suck any time the topic gets brought up. Sera hates any elf she considers "too elfy" (which is anyone that doesn't actively look down on other elves like her), and Solas makes it clear he doesn't think well of modern city or Dalish elven culture. Both of them don't want to be judged as "just another elf," but each of them freely judges every other elf they come across, and the game doesn't let us call them out on this hypocrisy. Instead, we're made to look like the racists for noticing that they are, in fact, by all appearances, elves.

 

Despite my complaints, I still want race selection to come back next game. I still want to play as an elf (and dwarf and Qunari) despite the lengths you go to try to make all non-human cultures look detestable in the audience's eyes. (Unless they act like Andrastian humans who happened to be born with different racial features, like Varric or Sera. Then they're "likable" to you.)

 

However, next game, could we please get at least one elven companion that doesn't hate other elves?? One who doesn't do everything in his or her power to distance his/herself from other elves, or jump on the flaws of the PC's heritage every chance they get? That'd be lovely, kthnxbai.


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Okay BioWare, you made your point.

 

You hate elves. You hate elves that like other elves. You hate elves that like being elves. You hate the Dalish!

 

:rolleyes:


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However, next game, could we please get at least one elven companion that doesn't hate other elves??

Merrill? Velanna?

 

Edit: Next game ok. I don't see why they wouldn't.


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Hopefully there's someone. There were...really no people to give a more traditionally pro-elf viewpoint this game besides potentially Lavellan themselves, and even then you were usually cut off before you could even try or given no opportunity at all. They decided to make the Dalish their plot punching bag and made it so there was basically no one to express things from their side.

 

Was quite happy when my Lavellan could admit to Solas that her people 'aren't perfect, but have something worth holding onto.' Thank you, me. Finally someone could say it. 


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Hopefully. There were...really no people to give a more traditionally pro-elf viewpoint this game besides potentially Lavellan themselves, and even then you were usually cut off before you could even try or given no opportunity at all. They decided to make the Dalish their plot punching bag and made it so there was basically no one to express things from their side.

 

Was quite happy when my Lavellan could admit to Solas that her people 'aren't perfect, but have something worth holding onto.' Thank you, me. Finally someone could say it. 

 

But I like the Dalish punching bag :(


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But I like the Dalish punching bag :(

 

I don't. 

 

They're trying way too hard to get me to dislike them nowadays. It shows. 


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Well in fairness, elves don't count as people.

So hard to find good servants these days :D


Nah just kidding, one of my wardens was a city elf and he just HATED humans. Fought Leliana at the urn of sacred ashes, she was very vocal about it in inquisition.

My other was a dalish elf, she was nice to everybody. Was weirded out when her clan turned irish in DA2.



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What?

 

Solas doesn't hate the Dalish he hates the fact that they are basing their entire culture on an idealized view of their past and their arrogance.

 

Sera only hates people trying to force a culture she doesn't want and idea of what an elf should be on her.

 

Also Bioware isn't hating the Dalish by making them just as bad as everyone else they're just being consistent.


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Excuse me Faerunner, but human characters hate other human characters as well as some qunari hate other qunaris and dwarves hate other dwarves. It's not elven exclusive. 


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Excuse me Faerunner, but human characters hate other human characters as well as some qunari hate other qunaris and dwarves hate other dwarves. It's not elven exclusive. 

Yup.


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Despite my complaints, I still want race selection to come back next game. I still want to play as an elf (and dwarf and Qunari) despite the lengths you go to try to make all non-human cultures look detestable in the audience's eyes. (Unless they act like Andrastian humans who happened to be born with different racial features, like Varric or Sera. Then they're "likable" to you.)

 

...surely, you must be joking. Neither Sera nor Varric act like the Andrastian humans you so vehemently abhore. Also, different racial features? What, Varric's lack of beard? Cause that so definitely makes him a complete aberration for dwarves. Heaven forbid he look a bit different than other dwarves.

And what was Sera born with that's so different?

 

The more I read this topic, the more I start laughing. Some of these points are ridiculous.

 

You also make it sound like we have never seen evil Andrastians (Petrice) or evil humans at all (Alrik).


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...surely, you must be joking. Neither Sera nor Varric act like the Andrastian humans you so vehemently abhore. Also, different racial features? What, Varric's lack of beard? Cause that so definitely makes him a complete aberration for dwarves. Heaven forbid he look a bit different than other dwarves.

And what was Sera born with that's so different?

 

The more I read this topic, the more I start laughing. Some of these points are ridiculous.

 

You also make it sound like we have never seen evil Andrastians (Petrice) or evil humans at all (Alrik).

Or sympathetic Dalish.*oh hai Merrill*


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Excuse me Faerunner, but human characters hate other human characters as well as some qunari hate other qunaris and dwarves hate other dwarves. It's not elven exclusive.

And Varric's right about dwarven culture sucking. The Warden can attest to how sh*tty Orzammar is.
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There's two things I can't stand in this world. People who are intolerant of other people's cultures and the Dalish!
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There's two things I can't stand in this world. People who are intolerant of other people's cultures

 

 

...and the Dalish!

 

*blinks*


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...surely, you must be joking. Neither Sera nor Varric act like the Andrastian humans you so vehemently abhore. Also, different racial features? What, Varric's lack of beard? Cause that so definitely makes him a complete aberration for dwarves. Heaven forbid he look a bit different than other dwarves.
And what was Sera born with that's so different?
 
The more I read this topic, the more I start laughing. Some of these points are ridiculous.
 
You also make it sound like we have never seen evil Andrastians (Petrice) or evil humans at all (Alrik).


They meant different racial features than humans.

Basically a veiled way of calling a character a fantasy banana, oreo, etc.

As to the OP; I don't see how they want me to hate other races so desperately unless I'm for some reason obliged to agree with everything my companions say. (maybe it's conditioned thinking from the approval system :rolleyes: )


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Okay BioWare, you made your point.

 

You hate elves. You hate elves that like other elves. You hate elves that like being elves. You hate the Dalish!

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I don't. 

 

They're trying way too hard to get me to dislike them nowadays. It shows. 

 

Get with the program brah :P



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Keep the elfenfreude coming, Bioware.


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My elven inquisitor boned had a good relationship with Sera. She doesn't hate elves.

 

Assuming that BioWare hates elves because you didn't get a story that fit with your headcanon is... lots of words that I'm not allowed to use because of site rules.


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Excuse me Faerunner, but human characters hate other human characters as well as some qunari hate other qunaris and dwarves hate other dwarves. It's not elven exclusive. 

 

Pretty much this.

 

Although... I must admit, in future games it would be a good idea for a character that is very pro Dalish, to the point of hating on every other race and being vocal about it.

 

And I know we've had Merrill.. so I'm thinking maybe a male, who's good with a bow and makes very racist statements, particularly about humans.

 

Think.. Sera, in reverse.


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I can see a lot of your point Fae, but you lost me pretty quickly when you said, "BioWare hates elves."  They don't, and I don't think they ever have.  This game was all about breaking a lot of illusions.  Varric realizing that he couldn't keep his adventures separate from Bianca while keeping her informed, to disastrous results.  Iron Bull has to decide (with the player's help of course) whether or not to drop his illusion of being a Tal-Vasoth, or to drop his idea of still being a part of the Qun.  "Blackwall" winds up not being able to hide what he did out of honor.  The list goes on.

 

In the case of Solas, I don't think he hates the elves.  I think he's frustrated by them more than anything else.  I feel like he also served to uncover a truth, much like most of the rest of the party.  I could easily imagine him walking the Fade trying to find elven Keepers and possible Dreamers to speak to.  He'd be the type to tell someone the truth through dreams, imho.

 

If anything, I found myself liking the elves more than before.  I like that the guardians of the Well are freed and maybe can finally start spreading the real truth about the race.  My opinion of the modern Dalish hasn't changed very much.  While they are clinging to scraps, and certainly getting the details wrong, they are trying to hold onto their culture in any distorted fashion.  That doesn't make them right, but I can respect that.  I'd like to think that we might see some changes among the elves going forward.   While Sera may not care, I can see her passing the information along about the Guardians to her other "Jennies," and I could see word of mouth spreading that way as well.

 

In short, the elves have hit rock bottom, up to and including that their half-remembered culture was largely a lie.  Now that the truth has been revealed, and those alive to spread it, I honestly think that we'll see the elves slowly improving after this.  Remember, the city elves haven't been inactive either.  They are big players in the Orlesian civil war, which is now barely over.  As far as I could tell from reading The Masked Empire, city elves (in particular) throughout Orlais have been getting very fed up and frustrated.  So I think we'll see more of an active role of them in future games.  To be honest, while I like the Dalish, I've always found the city elves more compelling.  I know I wasn't the only one that wasn't thrilled when they didn't have them as the playable race, but I would like to see the city elves return in a future game.

 

So now we've got the Dalish on one side, with a means to the truth about the People getting out.  We've got the city elves on the other, that are focused on what to do about their situation.  It's only a matter of time before those groups come into conflict with each other.  Whether or not they'll be allies I think remains to be seen.  It seems like to me, the city elves want to be accepted for who/what they are now.  The Dalish want to rise up by reclaiming the past and it's glory.  Two conflicting goals within the same race.  Neat, and they aren't even my favorite race of the game.

 

Regardless of the player's choice, there is still those two camps to contend with.  Sometimes, the best way to rebuild something is to tear down all of it.  BioWare doesn't hate the elves of Thedas and I think that will show more and more going forward.   :)


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I can see your point about Sera being a hypocrite but not Solas. Solas is one of the Elven gods of legend and tradition and he's been around for eons. Since this is the case, I don't think his opinions about Dalish Elves are all that hypocritical or wrong. In his case, his opinions of the Elves should be considered fact.



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I expect an announcement any day now that DA4's working title is Dragon Age: Everyone Hates Elves Except Tumblr and BSN Posters.


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I want Lavellan Inquisitor burning down dirty shemlen villages for case of heresy.
I want elvish witchhunters go ransack that useless Redcliffe for every mage they could find.

I want Durgenlens chained and working 24/7 to equip my Inquisition with the best possible gear.

 

I can't get that.

WHY?