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[goishen]

Well, for all of you people saying that it was bad ending...    Let me tell ya.  BioWare has ruined me for games.  A game can have the most kickass ending in the existence of mankind.  The history of the universe.

 

If the story can't carry it, and most of the games that are coming out today uhhhhhhhhh can't, then it's not worth my time.  I'll usually give it a fair shot...  I'll play it for a hunk of time.  Maybe 3 hours (like The Stick Of Truth), maybe 20 hours (like Shadow Of Mordor).  But after that?  It's gone.  Gone from my memory and gone from HDD.  And most of all, gone from my wallet is the money that I've spent on it. 

 

I dunno.  I want to be entertained.  Not go to something akin to a history class and be quizzed when the next game comes out.  Shepard's tale did that.

[TMA LIVE]

The difference is that they're destroyed. Gone. Not around anymore. Good riddance.

 

But you only know that after the ending. Before that, you had to believe it was telling the truth that shooting a tube would destroy the Reapers.

 

What does been the galaxy have to do with me not wanting to work with them?

 

Because the galaxy is what I'm talking about. I don't care if you don't want to work with them.

[goishen]

But you only know that after the ending. Before that, you had to believe it was telling the truth that shooting a tube would destroy the Reapers.

 

 

 

Heh, yah, talk about a way to really ****** off the crowd that hates the endings. 

 

"Yah, you know that tube you shot at the end of the last game?  lol  It killed ya, but it really did nothing.  We just made the reapers fly away.  See ya again in 50,000 years!"

 

EDIT :  And I wouldn't even mind that.

 

 

EDIT x 2 :  Or even better  ...   "As you shot the tube that blew up the reapers, part of the explosion forced your hand right off of your body going over to the control side, forcing it to latch on, and the force also blew some of your DNA down the synthesize hole causing everybody to become half robots half whatever races they were before.  lol, see ya!"

[themikefest]

But you only know that after the ending. Before that, you had to believe it was telling the truth that shooting a tube would destroy the Reapers.

True. But again the reapers are destroyed whereas with the others they still exist which is a no-go.
 
 

Because the galaxy is what I'm talking about. I don't care if you don't want to work with them.

And why should I care about the galaxy? I don't care if you don't care that I don't want to work with them

[Ardat-Yakshi Master Race]

Did anyone mention the indoctrination theory? (I did not want to read through 16 pages) If THAT theory went into play ANYTHING could have happened.... Possibly, it simply created a super-relay to a galaxy far far away that the reapers proceed to go through.....

 

EDIT: With a super-relay concept, it could be how the Normandy ends up on some obscure planet....

[The Arbiter]

 actually, after "new region of space", the article clearly states "prompting   some to suggest it would be set in a whole new galaxy". Meaning people such as yourself, speculating on the possibilities. 

 

 

 

 

Also, giving nods to fans of the past trilogy and past adventures, doesn't necessarily confirm a sequel either. It just means that we'll find something familiar to us in the next game, not that the next game takes place after said adventures. It's clear they are speaking of the players past experiences. Not necessarily the past of the fictional setting. For example, a side-quel can easily give nods to our past experiences in the Shepard trilogy.

 

 

Yes, I would also like to further explore the MEU with more freedom than ever before. However, the timeline doesn't affect my interest in journeying through the cosmos.

 

you mean the galaxy map and things we have been familiar with over the past? the normandy perhaps? codex and shiet UI interface? you mean the elements of the previous games? this is like my Final Fantasy Explanation earlier... so basically we are left in a LIMBO of not knowing whether this is a RESTART / REBOOT or A SEQUEL? WTF IS THIS? well I will attempt to explain the possibilities of approach which maybe taken by Bioware

 

Basically if they do decide a sequel they have to canonize one of the endings of ME3.

 

Since Humans and previous races are still existing we know that the REFUSE ending is not canon.

If and only if individuals in ME4 have green eyes then synthesis is canon but if no green eyes, then synthesis is out the window.

 

The only 2 left to speculate on how ME4 is connected is DESTROY AND CONTROL

If in ME4 there are few to 0 reaper remains then we will obviously know control is canon

 

if there are hundreds of thousand of Reaper remains scattered in the milky way galaxy then destroy is canon.

 

~When a fan asked one of the devs via twitter about "import saves" the devs replied it is not needed because ME4 is the best way to jump into the series. This can imply to two things: the game is a RESTART / REBOOT no explanation needed for new comers [which explains my restart/reboot approach], or the next game is a sequel which explains the past events in a nutshell. (however, someone told me that it would most certainly be like dragon age origins)

 

~The fan then asked if that ME3's destroy ending is canon but the devs refused everything saying that there is no canon ending.

 

- The question now is HOW WILL ME4 BEGIN, It's execution, it's lore, "nods to past adventures" what is it? a codex entry about the past? a comic series about shep and co after the reaper war? will the citadel be back? will it be like Skyrim referencing the Oblivion crisis with books scattered throughout the gameworld? or is it too familiar that everything is there including all the elements of the previous games but it is independent from ME3 which would be similar to Final Fantasy new titles... a Restart / Reboot of the entire franchise or a re-telling of the same story involving the same heroes, the same elements and core mechanics but no connection to previous titles... the tradition of Square-Enix that I know too well which is not the tradition of Bioware nor Mass Effect. Since the devs keeps on insisting that there is no canon ending then we can certainly not move forward without a canon beginning influenced by the canon ending if we are taking the route of a sequel... the only way to move forward without a canon beginning influenced by the canon ending is to restart the franchise.

 

well we know for certain that ME3 does not have a canon ending according to Bioware so how do they execute ME4 without a canon beginning influenced by 3? some suggest that it takes place 800 years later that the effects of 3 can just be "hand waived" but still go back to my first explanations about the canon beginning... no canon ending yes but the possibility of a canon beginning is likely if it is influenced by 3 AT ALL... to neglect the ending of 3 and to move forward for the sake of moving forward would mean a huge plot hole if it is a sequel or it could indicate a total restart of the franchise hence my theory the ALTERNATE + REBOOT / RESTART will come into mind.

 

others then speculated that everything in ME3 was just a dream so yeah lol

 

the NEXT GAME will tell us if it is a sequel or a restart.. either way I wish Bioware luck

[Mcfly616]

 

the NEXT GAME will tell us if it is a sequel or a restart.. either way I wish Bioware luck

 a sequel or reboot aren't the only possibilities.

[The Arbiter]

 a sequel or reboot aren't the only possibilities.

you mean a prequel and an alternate universe? Bioware does not want the next mass effect to be a spin off or sidelined... they want it to be "Mass Effect" to the core with its own unique and similar lore and core elements. My question now is the method of approach they will take. Because the method used will indicate if it is a prequel, a spin off or alternate universe, a sequel or my theory... a Reboot / Restart which is not necessarily a bad thing.

 

I AGREE AND I ADMIT moving on will be difficult since we have been accustomed to the past installments especially with our favorite characters but this is not new to me. Square Enix hell even Rockstar games forces me to move forward. I sincerely believe the next game is a RESTART or REBOOT of the franchise even without CONFIRMATION from Bioware I may be right or horribly wrong but this is the most logical approach in my own understanding for Bioware to take for the future of Mass Effect. Will there be angry fans because of the cliff hanger of ME3? Yes there will always be opposition no matter what but I agree with you that it has to END ONCE AND FOR ALL. We can't keep going around in circles...

 

Rockstar with VICE CITY same core elements -> Steal a car -> rob people -> kill people -> criminal life -> gangsta life.

GTA V -> Steal a car -> rob people -> kill people -> criminal life -> gangsta life BUT NO CONNECTION TO VICE CITY.

 

similar to final fantasy... it has worked very well people love them! so why shouldn't I love the next ME4? it would have

similar weapons -> returning species -> exploration and feel of MASS EFFECT 1 -> Core elements -> music -> same elements BUT NO CONNECTION TO 1 2 AND 3.

 

 

Bioware from multiple reports and interviews stated again that the next game must stand on its own they do not want it perceived by the public as a spinoff... it is a game of its own which may spawn a trilogy of its own.

[katamuro]

Yeah but that's the thing if its not a spinoff, if its still within the same MEU and not a prequel or sidequel then its a sequel, and they have to deal with the things that happened before. It would be as if Master chief defeated the flood and the covenant and then the next game starts with no mention at all of anything that happened in the previous games. Like at all, no covenant, no flood, nothing apart from the same UNSC fighting someone else this time, set after the massive war but with no mentions of it or the aliens.( I am not very sure what happens in the Halo games since I dont own an xbox but I think that is the general direction they were heading in Halo 1).

So I do not believe that side-stepping the issues made by people previously managing the game would work out well. 

[The Arbiter]

Yeah but that's the thing if its not a spinoff, if its still within the same MEU and not a prequel or sidequel then its a sequel, and they have to deal with the things that happened before. It would be as if Master chief defeated the flood and the covenant and then the next game starts with no mention at all of anything that happened in the previous games. Like at all, no covenant, no flood, nothing apart from the same UNSC fighting someone else this time, set after the massive war but with no mentions of it or the aliens.( I am not very sure what happens in the Halo games since I dont own an xbox but I think that is the general direction they were heading in Halo 1).

So I do not believe that side-stepping the issues made by people previously managing the game would work out well. 

it would bring more problems or plot holes if they decide a sequel. You're also spot on about them sucking it up and deal with the ME3 ending if they are planning a sequel... if ever they are planning a sequel.

[Mcfly616]

you mean a prequel and an alternate universe? Bioware does not want the next mass effect to be a spin off or sidelined... they want it to be "Mass Effect" to the core with its own unique and similar lore and core elements. 

 

 

 if it's set in the same fictional universe with the same species and lore, it is still a Mass Effect game. Whether it's a prequel, side-quel or sequel is irrelevant. As long as it tells it's own story, it isn't a spin-off.

[The Arbiter]

 if it's set in the same fictional universe with the same species and lore, it is still a Mass Effect game. Whether it's a prequel, side-quel or sequel is irrelevant. As long as it tells it's own story, it isn't a spin-off.

Yes it is still a Mass Effect game with all the elements and core mechanics in place, the plot on the other hand is not continuous of the previous Mass Effect game which may indicate a prequel, side-quel or alternate universe or a Restart of the franchise. The issue of "not being a Mass Effect game" is not relevant here... the plot is.

[Iakus]

Is Neverwinter Nights a sequel to Baldur's Gate?

[katamuro]

Is Neverwinter Nights a sequel to Baldur's Gate?

 

If it follows in the same timeline and still mentions the things that happened even if in passing then more or less yeah.

[Iakus]

If it follows in the same timeline and still mentions the things that happened even if in passing then more or less yeah.

Same timeline, same general region of Faerun (the Sword Coast).  But no mention of past events, no returning characters.

[Drone223]

Same timeline, same general region of Faerun (the Sword Coast). But no mention of past events, no returning characters.

But as katamuro mention's it exists in the same continuity as Baldur's gate and doesn't remove/change the any part of the canon. In a reboot/AU the canon is changed significantly that the two canons are significantly different from each other.

[goishen]

Yes it is still a Mass Effect game with all the elements and core mechanics in place, the plot on the other hand is not continuous of the previous Mass Effect game which may indicate a prequel, side-quel or alternate universe or a Restart of the franchise. The issue of "not being a Mass Effect game" is not relevant here... the plot is.

 

 

No, you're misunderstanding.  Mass Effect Universe isn't the same as Shepard Universe.  The same way that Hawke isn't the same as the inquisitor who also isn't the same as the warden.

[katamuro]

No, you're misunderstanding.  Mass Effect Universe isn't the same as Shepard Universe.  The same way that Hawke isn't the same as the inquisitor who also isn't the same as the warden.

 

Yeah but you have agree that if the next DA game does not mention the blight, the war between mages and templars, the huge hole in the sky or the inquisition that was clearly there to stay then its NOT the same universe or at least not the same timeline. And since most of these events hinged pretty heavily on the main characters then you cannot just move on in ME universe without at least some acknowledgement of what happened. 

[goishen]

Yeah but you have agree that if the next DA game does not mention the blight, the war between mages and templars, the huge hole in the sky or the inquisition that was clearly there to stay then its NOT the same universe or at least not the same timeline. And since most of these events hinged pretty heavily on the main characters then you cannot just move on in ME universe without at least some acknowledgement of what happened. 

 

 

Right, but I think that you're putting too much weight on them.  I would expect maybe a paragraph.  Maybe seven sentences.  I think that's all that the warden got. Maybe less, maybe even a couple'a sentences.   Hawke, well, Hawke was a little different.

 

I mean, it just seems to me that you all seem to be pushing so hard for BioWare to make an ending canon that none of you will be justified until one is.  That called a self-defeating prophecy.  I'm gonna stand here on this street corner with a sign that's labeled "The End Is Near!" until the end of time.  One day I'll be correct.  But who knows when that'll be.

 

Sorry for the mixed metaphors, but y'all know where I'm going with this.

[katamuro]

Right, but I think that you're putting too much weight on them.  I would expect maybe a paragraph.  Maybe seven sentences.  I think that's all that the warden got. Maybe less, maybe even a couple'a sentences.   Hawke, well, Hawke was a little different.

 

I mean, it just seems to me that you all seem to be pushing so hard for BioWare to make an ending canon that none of you will be justified until one is.  That called a self-defeating prophecy.  I'm gonna stand here on this street corner with a sign that's labeled "The End Is Near!" until the end of time.  One day I'll be correct.  But who knows when that'll be.

 

Sorry for the mixed metaphors, but y'all know where I'm going with this.

I would be fine with a paragraph. I am not saying that I want to import my whole save file total for ME1-3. I just want them to continue on without making up new deus ex machinas just so that the slate is blank for the new game. Thats it. 

[The Arbiter]

No, you're misunderstanding.  Mass Effect Universe isn't the same as Shepard Universe.  The same way that Hawke isn't the same as the inquisitor who also isn't the same as the warden.

Tell that to Bioware. Shepard's story is over... it seems with all the clues they are showing they are intending to restart the entire franchise with a new hero but with the same core elements, Weapons, settings, exploration, vehicles, galaxy maps, alien species... it's the "cool idea to move the franchise forward and making the new game separate" that's what Bioware wants [atleast the way how I see it]. I apologize but I might have to agree with mcfly with this one, it is still a Mass Effect game maybe hardcore fans would re-brand it as a re-skin of the entire original trilogy or a "Shepard wanabee" but it's Bioware's game... their intellectual property like it or not if they do decide to move forward without a single codex pointing back to the reaper war there is nothing we can do about it.

[katamuro]

Tell that to Bioware. Shepard's story is over... it seems with all the clues they are showing they are intending to restart the entire franchise with a new hero but with the same core elements, Weapons, settings, exploration, vehicles, galaxy maps, alien species... it's the "cool idea to move the franchise forward and making the new game separate" that's what Bioware wants [atleast the way how I see it]. I apologize but I might have to agree with mcfly with this one, it is still a Mass Effect game maybe hardcore fans would re-brand it as a re-skin of the entire original trilogy or a "Shepard wanabee" but it's Bioware's game... their intellectual property like it or not if they do decide to move forward without a single codex pointing back to the reaper war there is nothing we can do about it.

 

Doesnt mean I have to like it or support their decision. Yes its their idea but they are making money on our attachment to the franchise, as a customer of their product I believe that I can at least try and reach them about what I want in the product. 

[The Arbiter]

Doesnt mean I have to like it or support their decision. Yes its their idea but they are making money on our attachment to the franchise, as a customer of their product I believe that I can at least try and reach them about what I want in the product. 

yes indeed... a forumer told me recently about the ark theory kinda like noah's ark. But that just complicated everything more... which is another plausible method which may be used by Bioware

 

There is still a huge question that looms over if we take the ark theory... what the hell happened to the milky way galaxy? I mean the faith of the galaxy was literally put into Shepards hands!

 

ME1 had a canon beginning and canon ending - Story of a commander, then Saren dies no matter what you do in between

 

ME2 had a canon beginning and ending - Saren dies and the collectors attacked! collectors defeated then the reapers attacked! no matter what you do in between

 

ME3 even had a canon beginning but NO CANON ENDING - The reapers attacked! but the outcome is unknown  BIG QUESTION MARK

 

okay Granting arguendo we take the ARK THEORY... this could work but only temporarily unless if Bioware decides to scrap the milkyway galaxy from the franchise permanently. What if.. in ME5 OR ME6 the people of the Ark who came from the milky way galaxy 2,000 years later came in contact with radio chatter from the milky way... then they posses the technology to traverse back to their home galaxy... wouldn't that create another problem? because we have no idea what happened after the Reaper war? unless if Bioware decides to canonize every ending of Mass Effect 3 via our import saves? depending on what we have chosen in the past? or canonize one ending of the 3 choices? Milky-way post reaper invasion 2,000 years later?

 

[but all of these are only important if and only if we want the lore of 1,2, and 3 to continue connect with 4, 5, and so on and so forth]

 

Again, Bioware could make another ME game which is entirely new not related to the original trilogy mcfly even branded it as a ME game even if it is somewhat a restart of the franchise but yes... you are one of the many who would be concerned about this. I guess we have to wait for further information from Bioware themselves

[katamuro]

Yeah, ark theory like many other theories dealing with alternate possibilities of continuing the MEU without actually continuing it are all quite bad. 

[Balsam Beige]

Doesnt mean I have to like it or support their decision. Yes its their idea but they are making money on our attachment to the franchise, as a customer of their product I believe that I can at least try and reach them about what I want in the product.

It is interesting, we go around and around on this thread (and others) voicing our different opinions, hoping that bioware is listening and most of these decisions have already been made. I haven't liked a lot of the decisions bioware has made in the past and I have voiced my opinion on these forums. It didn't get me anywhere. One thing we can all agree on is that we all love the Mass Effect series and we want a good game going forward. So does bioware.