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[Tython]

Drone- if people were indifferent about the ending, then why was there a class action lawsuit about it? Why was there such a demand for the expanded cut? Why did one of the writers of the game bash Casey and Walters for not giving the ending it's proper peer review?

 

The fact is, endings do matter and Bioware learned a valuable lesson from ME3. It's just sad that they didn't go back and fix it completely; the fans gave them a second chance they didn't take. Instead the extended cut only put a band aid on a gaping wound.

 

However, I think people will see what the next ME game has to offer and will make a decision whether to give the franchise another chance once they learn the details. If there's no legitimate effort to mend fences from Bioware with the community, I believe sales will suffer. But I feel they are trying they just needed to get rid of Walters along with Casey.

[The Arbiter]

It is interesting, we go around and around on this thread (and others) voicing our different opinions, hoping that bioware is listening and most of these decisions have already been made. I haven't liked a lot of the decisions bioware has made in the past and I have voiced my opinion on these forums. It didn't get me anywhere. One thing we can all agree on is that we all love the Mass Effect series and we want a good game going forward. So does bioware.

Which means they should listen... or they are only concerned about profit. Like what the other forumer above has recently stated "majority of people has already moved on, the forums only represents a minority group i.e. the hardcore fans, majority of people buying MASS EFFECT NEXT will have no idea of the previous trilogy or just don't care anymore as long as they are entertained"... in which I agree lol considering how many devs and publishers or businesses in general are so obsessed with profits and loses *cough *cough 2014 year of broken games.

 

This is why I am patiently waiting for GTA:V and Bman Arkham Knight also Harley Quinn! what a woman! even if it gets delayed a hundred times as long as it is well written and polished my money will be well spent.

[TMA LIVE]

Drone- if people were indifferent about the ending, then why was there a class action lawsuit about it? Why was there such a demand for the expanded cut? Why did one of the writers of the game bash Casey and Walters for not giving the ending it's proper peer review?

 

The fact is, endings do matter and Bioware learned a valuable lesson from ME3. It's just sad that they didn't go back and fix it completely; the fans gave them a second chance they didn't take. Instead the extended cut only put a band aid on a gaping wound.

 

However, I think people will see what the next ME game has to offer and will make a decision whether to give the franchise another chance once they learn the details. If there's no legitimate effort to mend fences from Bioware with the community, I believe sales will suffer. But I feel they are trying they just needed to get rid of Walters along with Casey.

 

Though I wish Bioware had more time to work on Extended Cut to work out a better way for doing the Normandy scene, and maybe even add more to Priority Earth, the reality was, because of that Lawsuit, because of harassments, and because other developers and press (like this guy) wanted them to never change the ending, they were forced to get us the Extended Cut 3 months later instead of maybe developing it overtime, and making the future DLCs have more impact to it. And it being free also impacted the budget of Extended Cut.

 

In reality, ME3 should've been delayed another 6 months. But again, that wasn't going to happen, because we were at the end of the PS3 and Xbox 360's life. They'd just end up spending more money (even more then what they spent on Extended Cut). And pushing it back more would've made less sales, because people would be moving on to new gen, and new games coming out.

[The Arbiter]

Though I wish Bioware had more time to work on Extended Cut to work out a better way for doing the Normandy scene, and maybe even add more to Priority Earth, the reality was, because of that Lawsuit, because of harassments, and because other developers and press (like this guy) wanted them to never change the ending, they were forced to get us the Extended Cut 3 months later instead of maybe developing it overtime, and making the future DLCs have more impact to it. And it being free also impacted the budget of Extended Cut.

it's never too late to patch the game. Lol ME3 is just sitting in my hard drive... but I guess Bioware gave up with 3 a long time ago and decided to move on. It would take time, money, and effort to fix Mass Effect 3's rushed ending... possibly even research is needed... I don't even know how they will move forward anymore

[TMA LIVE]

it's never too late to patch the game.

 

Yeah, but even a patch cost money. Microsoft used to charge publishers $40,000 for every patch that was put out. It was only a year ago that Microsoft lifted the charge.

[Vazgen]

it's never too late to patch the game. Lol ME3 is just sitting in my hard drive... but I guess Bioware gave up with 3 a long time ago and decided to move on. It would take time, money, and effort to fix Mass Effect 3's rushed ending... possibly even research is needed... I don't even know how they will move forward anymore

It's a matter of interest and cost. After three years since ME3 release, adding new content on it will not interest large enough audience. Sure, hardcore fans will be interested (and I assume most, if not all of us, are) but we are not as many as you'd think. To put things in perspective: there are 511,386 members on this site. During March 2012, Mass Effect 3 sold over 1.5 million copies (Link). That's one month, the month of release. Most people moved on, either satisfied or not and Bioware is right to look in the future without dwelling on the past

[TMA LIVE]

It's a matter of interest and cost. After three years since ME3 release, adding new content on it will not interest large enough audience. Sure, hardcore fans will be interested (and I assume most, if not all of us, are) but we are not as many as you'd think. To put things in perspective: there are 511,386 members on this site. During March 2012, Mass Effect 3 sold over 1.5 million copies (Link). That's one month, the month of release. Most people moved on, either satisfied or not and Bioware is right to look in the future without dwelling on the past

 

Yeah. As much as some might want a new ending, a large majority don't care either way, and would never even download it, because they lost interest in finishing the game. Even if the ending was largely acceptable from the beginning, this same group would never finish the game, because only 50% of buyers finish these kind of games based on data. This leaves only the other half, which was already a mixed bag on what they wanted. Some wanted the entire ending removed. Some wanted it exactly the same with no changes. Some wanted Indoctrination theory. Some just wanted the current endings expanded. Some wanted to win by fleet. Some wanted Dark Energy back. You were never going to please everyone. And that's just the fans. Inside Bioware, it was probably just as split. I really wish we'd get a documentary on it, so we can know who really did what, and who thought what.

[Iakus]

Yeah. As much as some might want a new ending, a large majority don't care either way, and would never even download it, because they lost interest in finishing the game. Even if the ending was largely acceptable from the beginning, this same group would never finish the game, because only 50% of buyers finish these kind of games based on data. This leaves only the other half, which was already a mixed bag on what they wanted. Some wanted the entire ending removed. Some wanted it exactly the same with no changes. Some wanted Indoctrination theory. Some just wanted the current endings expanded. Some wanted to win by fleet. Some wanted Dark Energy back. You were never going to please everyone. And that's just the fans. Inside Bioware, it was probably just as split. I really wish we'd get a documentary on it, so we can know who really did what, and who thought what.

I find this depressing.

 

I mean, logically, why bother to put out a quality story/ending at all, if all that matters is how many people you can convince, cajole, or trick into buying the game in the first couple of weeks?

 

I mean, yeah people had all sorts of theories and idea that they wanted for the ending.  But as long as there were one or more different options added, they probably would have converted some more angry fans.  Instead we get more of the same.  And now three years later ME3 still casts a shadow over MENext.

[goishen]

If even 50% of people finish a game.  I've seen some games that are sitting at maybe 10%.

 

I think it's just the fact that people like me just say, "Sure, it's fun...   But do I wanna really sit here and grind out these levels (doing the same thing over and over again until I reach max level) simply to find a 'Congrats!  You've won!' at the end of the story?"

 

That has no impact.  TWD had an impact.  ME (the entire trilogy) had an impact.  DA had an impact.  SR (even though it was pedantic and made fun of itself) had an impact.  There I didn't mind playing until max level, because it didn't feel like a grind at all.

[Tython]

I understand where you're coming from TMA LIVE but if they wanted a future for the franchise, and ME: Next is a clear indication they do, then having an ending that lends itself to future installments is a must. I'd say the future of their arguably #1 franchise deserves whatever budget they need and whatever timeline it takes. However, there's certainly a lot of cooks in the kitchen so to speak that have their own opinion, they also hid behind creative license, etc.

[Iakus]

I understand where you're coming from TMA LIVE but if they wanted a future for the franchise, and ME: Next is a clear indication they do, then having an ending that lends itself to future installments is a must. I'd say the future of their arguably #1 franchise deserves whatever budget they need and whatever timeline it takes. However, there's certainly a lot of cooks in the kitchen so to speak that have their own opinion, they also hid behind creative license, etc.

This is why I'm positive they hadn't intended to continue the series past ME3 until the Suits told them "milk it"

[Tython]

Iakus- that's a damn good point sir!

 

I just find it weird since Dragon Age is essentially a similar franchise just a different setting and they are milking that. There has to be more to the story.

[The Arbiter]

This is why I'm positive they hadn't intended to continue the series past ME3 until the Suits told them "milk it"

yeah which is weird now that you have mentioned it. I remembered mcfly if I am not mistaken told me that Bioware intended to end Mass Effect with 3? atleast for Shepard? this is why so many of us are confused now compared to say a year ago or two when the EC came out most of the people where satisfied how the trilogy ended and with the Citadel DLC and all. But now they are planning a new Mass Effect if they are even calling it that, and makes us wonder if its... a sequel, prequel, alternate universe, a ark theory, or a restart/reboot... dunno EA

[Iakus]

Iakus- that's a damn good point sir!

 

I just find it weird since Dragon Age is essentially a similar franchise just a different setting and they are milking that. There has to be more to the story.

Dragon Age I believe was intended to be an open-ended series.  WIth different protagonists and settings with each game, it's easier to continue without worrying too much about baggage .  Though yeah at some point even that will get too unwieldy.

[The Arbiter]

Iakus- that's a damn good point sir!

 

I just find it weird since Dragon Age is essentially a similar franchise just a different setting and they are milking that. There has to be more to the story.

so basically? ->  Shepard's story is done... time to restart the milky way galaxy and milk mass effect... or abandon the milky way galaxy altogether to avoid the Shepard ending and move forward?

[Tython]

I hope they resolve the Shepard ending issue but I feel it's too polarized of a subject and Bioware wants a clean start and forget about it.

 

I truly wish for a time travel type story where you go back and fix ME3's ending. You maybe see in the future the consequences of destroying the Reapers or the other endings and go back to change things. It would be too complicated to pull off with the 4 different endings but would make for one hell of a modern Chronotrigger.

 

Who knows, perhaps in the ARC type game if they go that route, you may uncover an alien race with the power to change things in the milky way galaxy. Reset time or otherwise wipe out the Reapers before they wake up for this most recent cycle. Good writers can create good possibilities.

[Guanxii]

The best, simplest (occum's razor) scenario IMO: New canon set in the milky way galaxy 1000 years later.

In the new canon Shepard (& co) existed and defeated the reapers in an unspecified manor - the details of which are forever lost to historians. It's a new canon so the old rules no longer apply but you can cherry pick whatever you like from the old canon - cos reasons.

No alternate galaxy / universe / time travel handwave bs required.

[The Arbiter]

I hope they resolve the Shepard ending issue but I feel it's too polarized of a subject and Bioware wants a clean start and forget about it.

 

I truly wish for a time travel type story where you go back and fix ME3's ending. You maybe see in the future the consequences of destroying the Reapers or the other endings and go back to change things. It would be too complicated to pull off with the 4 different endings but would make for one hell of a modern Chronotrigger.

 

Who knows, perhaps in the ARC type game if they go that route, you may uncover an alien race with the power to change things in the milky way galaxy. Reset time or otherwise wipe out the Reapers before they wake up for this most recent cycle. Good writers can create good possibilities.

i don't know man... Bioware in that ign video for E3 reveal thingy mentioned a "clean state" "baby steps" it is either they are restarting the franchise or talking about a whole new world

 

[Tython]

I agree Guanxii. Although I like the fact that space travel was relatively new to the human race in ME, a future environment has its possibilities. It would fit the exploration hint the developers stated and would keep a lot of previous games choices intact. Even if the player did not cure the genophage, it could've been cured in the future by someone else. Same goes for the other major choices in the 3rd game. Now you've got hoping for this one over an arc storyline!

 

Imran911- I hope whichever way they go, it helps rehabilitate the franchise. Fans from the previous games should be rewarded for sticking it out. Cool points for that video. My kids watched that for the first time recently!

[The Arbiter]

The best, simplest (occum's razor) scenario IMO: New canon set in the milky way galaxy 1000 years later.

In the new canon Shepard (& co) existed and defeated the reapers in an unspecified manor - the details of which are forever lost to historians. It's a new canon so the old rules no longer apply but you can cherry pick whatever you like from the old canon - cos reasons.

No alternate galaxy / universe / time travel handwave bs required.

If humans still exists... refuse is not canon

If in ME4 no green eyes, synthesis is not canon

 

that leaves us with... control and destroy?

[Vazgen]

If humans still exists... refuse is not canon

If in ME4 no green eyes, synthesis is not canon

 

that leaves us with... control and destroy?

Refuse is a failure and should not be addressed. It's like Shepard's death in ME2

Synthesis visual effects can be written to wear off with time

[AlanC9]

I find this depressing.
 
I mean, logically, why bother to put out a quality story/ending at all, if all that matters is how many people you can convince, cajole, or trick into buying the game in the first couple of weeks?
 
I mean, yeah people had all sorts of theories and idea that they wanted for the ending.  But as long as there were one or more different options added, they probably would have converted some more angry fans.  Instead we get more of the same.  And now three years later ME3 still casts a shadow over MENext.

Enough more angry fans converted to justify the cost of the project?

Remember, we already got a different ending added which made some folks even more upset than they were. Including you.

[AlanC9]

The best, simplest (occum's razor) scenario IMO: New canon set in the milky way galaxy 1000 years later.

In the new canon Shepard (& co) existed and defeated the reapers in an unspecified manor - the details of which are forever lost to historians. It's a new canon so the old rules no longer apply but you can cherry pick whatever you like from the old canon - cos reasons.

No alternate galaxy / universe / time travel handwave bs required.

This sounds similar to the awful KotOR 2 start. OTOH, KotOR 2 recovered OK from that.

[Iakus]

so basically? ->  Shepard's story is done... time to restart the milky way galaxy and milk mass effect... or abandon the milky way galaxy altogether to avoid the Shepard ending and move forward?

Well, Shepard's story is done (badly) and the galaxy is left in a number of mutually exclusive states.

 

The best, simplest (occum's razor) scenario IMO: New canon set in the milky way galaxy 1000 years later.

In the new canon Shepard (& co) existed and defeated the reapers in an unspecified manor - the details of which are forever lost to historians. It's a new canon so the old rules no longer apply but you can cherry pick whatever you like from the old canon - cos reasons.

No alternate galaxy / universe / time travel handwave bs required.

Asari and krogan could still be alive in a thousand years who would remember.  Heck Liara and/or Grunt could still be around.

 

plus the whole new DNA/Reapers hanging around photobombing everything/potentially extinct races/potentially blown up relays, etc kinda complicates "no canon"

[Drone223]

Drone- if people were indifferent about the ending, then why was there a class action lawsuit about it? Why was there such a demand for the expanded cut? Why did one of the writers of the game bash Casey and Walters for not giving the ending it's proper peer review?
 

However, I think people will see what the next ME game has to offer and will make a decision whether to give the franchise another chance once they learn the details. If there's no legitimate effort to mend fences from Bioware with the community, I believe sales will suffer. But I feel they are trying they just needed to get rid of Walters along with Casey.

I wouldn't be surprised that most people who played it weren't really invested and just played it and moved on to another game, but there were enough people who wanted it changed and Wrev very vocal about it. That how people got the EC but that being said Bioware were pretty clear on their stance on the endings and were sticking with their guns. As for the class action lawsuit it was quickly turned down (for good reason), there are more productive ways of expressing displeasure such as returning said product for a refund and not buying their products again.

 

As for Casey and Walters the writer didn't bash them they just said they worked on the endings, and with thant in mind Walters is the creative director in the next game since he has the most experince in with the franchise (makes sense why). Not to mention Casey was one of the key people responsible for the creation of ME in the first place and when he left Bioware weren't happy about him leaving just PM any of the Bioware dev's on the forums.