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[Han Shot First]

If we ever get a Mass Effect that takes place post ME3, I think either it'll be a hundred years into the future, where everyone beside EDI and Liara are dead. So if Shepard lived or not doesn't matter. They'll either pick the Destroy Ending as the canon for the new series, similar to Infamous Second Son or Legacy of Kain, or ME3's intro, where Shepard dying in ME2 is non-canon in that timeline. Or they'll merge that canons, where we'll become more synthetic in the future, and Reapers are servants of the galaxy, making whatever ending you pick get us to the same direction.

 

Grunt would still be kicking as well. So long as they avoid being eaten by predators or killed in a fight, Krogan have longer natural life spans than the Asari. The Asari live longer on average only because Krogan lead such violent lives, and call a hellhole home.

[Iakus]

If we ever get a Mass Effect that takes place post ME3, I think either it'll be a hundred years into the future, where everyone beside EDI and Liara are dead. So if Shepard lived or not doesn't matter. They'll either pick the Destroy Ending as the canon for the new series, similar to Infamous Second Son or Legacy of Kain, or ME3's intro, where Shepard dying in ME2 is non-canon in that timeline. Or they'll merge that canons, where we'll become more synthetic in the future, and Reapers are servants of the galaxy, making whatever ending you pick get us to the same direction.

If EDI lives, Shepard canonically cannot have survived. In addition, Destroy would also be canonically impossible.

 

Also, if Destroy were canon, we'll never see the geth again.  At best we'd get a race of Padok Wiks "totally not geth" geth.

[TMA LIVE]

If EDI lives, Shepard canonically cannot have survived. In addition, Destroy would also be canonically impossible.

 

Also, if Destroy were canon, we'll never see the geth again.  At best we'd get a race of Padok Wiks "totally not geth" geth.

 

No it's not. EDI could get rebuild in Destroy ending. Same with the Geth. They're machines after all, which can be repaired.

 

Oh so they won't be the same? Well, in 100 years, that wouldn't surprise me, even if they were alive. In 100 years, they "should" be different.

 

Like I said, you can get the same outcome with time.

 

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Speaking of Ark theory. What would people think if the Normandy crew was also shot to this new Galaxy? Because in the Extended Cut, we still don't know what planet they're on, or how they go there. What if ME4 has you go to a new Galaxy, and we end up finding the Normandy there, and help that crew get back to the Milky Way?

[Heimdall]

No it's not. EDI gets rebuild in Destroy ending. Same with the Geth.

As far as I know, that's fan headcanon, nothing more.

Besides, the geth are pure software. Rebuilding their physical shells won't bring them back and even if EDI is recoverable I doubt her memories are.

[TMA LIVE]

As far as I know, that's fan headcanon, nothing more.

Besides, the geth are pure software. Rebuilding their physical shells won't bring them back and even if EDI is recoverable I doubt her memories are.

 

I meant it was a possibility. And in the situation that they aren't the same after being rebuilt like Legion, that doesn't matter, since I don't expect them to be the same if we meet them 100 years later.

[von uber]

As I said earlier, any ending which still has the Reapers around makes the actions of the protagonist (who are likely to face a physical threat) pointless, as a 2km long death machine can just come along and blow it to hell; that's not even counting the complications of having a Banshee as a squadmate.

[TMA LIVE]

As I said earlier, any ending which still has the Reapers around makes the actions of the protagonist (who are likely to face a physical threat) pointless, as a 2km long death machine can just come along and blow it to hell; that's not even counting the complications of having a Banshee as a squadmate.

 

Actions we've done in past games have become pointless where the same thing happens no matter what. So "it being pointless" is indeed a possibility.

[Iakus]

No it's not. EDI could get rebuild in Destroy ending. Same with the Geth. They're machines after all, which can be repaired.

 

Oh so they won't be the same? Well, in 100 years, that wouldn't surprise me, even if they were alive. In 100 years, they "should" be different.

 

Like I said, you can get the same outcome with time.

 

Be rebuilt physically?  SUre.  But they would not be the same.  Any more than a person and their great-grandkids are the same.  Look at Legion vs not-Legion.  

[TMA LIVE]

Be rebuilt physically?  SUre.  But they would not be the same.  Any more than a person and their great-grandkids are the same.  Look at Legion vs not-Legion.  

 

And like I said, in 100 years, that won't matter. An alive EDI now will be different from EDI 100 years later in the future. Same with a new EDI turned on from scratch. Give her Joker, and 100 years with him before he dies, and I bet she'll be similar.

 

Also, keep in mind, we don't know if the bluebox of EDI is destroyed. We don't know the specifics. If it was just random tech being destroyed, Kaidan and Jack should be dead. But they're not. It's left vague and open ended. We only know the Reapers, Geth, and EDI are considered "damaged and down". And that no one was interested in fixing them after the credits. That's all we know, and the writers can take advantage of that.

[Heimdall]

I meant it was a possibility. And in the situation that they aren't the same after being rebuilt like Legion, that doesn't matter, since I don't expect them to be the same if we meet them 100 years later.

Sure they would.  Geth with 300 years of independent evolution at peace with their creators (Or having killed most Quarians) wouldn't be the same as that-new-AI-they-installed-in-the-old-geth-chassis.

 

Not to mention the whole idea sounds disturbingly similar to the way they handled the Rachni in ME3. 

[Iakus]

And like I said, in 100 years, that won't matter. An alive EDI now will be different from EDI 100 years later in the future. Same with a new EDI turned on from scratch. Give her Joker, and 100 years with him before he dies, and I bet she'll be similar.

 

Also, keep in mind, we don't know if the bluebox of EDI is destroyed. We don't know the specifics. If it was just random tech being destroyed, Kaidan and Jack should be dead. But they're not. It's left vague and open ended. We only know the Reapers, Geth, and EDI are considered "damaged and down". And that no one was interested in fixing them after the credits. That's all we know, and the writers can take advantage of that.

That's like saying who you were ten years ago doesn't matter because you are who you are now.  The experiences you had aren't important in what you eventually become.  An EDI with a randomized personality and no memories of the Normandy, Shepard, and Joker will be a very, very different EDI.

 

If EDI is "dead enough" to go on the memorial wall, but the Normandy is still functional, then it's a fair bet that her bluebox is gone.  destroyed or irreparably damaged.  Yes, by all logic Kaidan, Jack, and most other biotics should be dead or brain damaged as well.  But who says logic plays any role in the endings?  I might as well say.  Sadly, their fates are really just a punishment for not choosing Synthesis.  If Bioware decides for ME4 "oh, the synthetics do get repaired, just not right away" I will be very, very surprised, as it would go against their "art".

[Mcfly616]

As I said earlier, any ending which still has the Reapers around makes the actions of the protagonist (who are likely to face a physical threat) pointless, as a 2km long death machine can just come along and blow it to hell

 Not necessarily. The Reapers may guard us from full-scale galactic war or world eating threats. But it's hard to imagine they would get involved in the more personal affairs of individual people. All Bioware needs to do is to craft a more personal/smaller scale narrative. Something a great deal of fans are hoping for.

[TMA LIVE]

That's like saying who you were ten years ago doesn't matter because you are who you are now.  The experiences you had aren't important in what you eventually become.  An EDI with a randomized personality and no memories of the Normandy, Shepard, and Joker will be a very, very different EDI.

 

If EDI is "dead enough" to go on the memorial wall, but the Normandy is still functional, then it's a fair bet that her bluebox is gone.  destroyed or irreparably damaged.  Yes, by all logic Kaidan, Jack, and most other biotics should be dead or brain damaged as well.  But who says logic plays any role in the endings?  I might as well say.  Sadly, their fates are really just a punishment for not choosing Synthesis.  If Bioware decides for ME4 "oh, the synthetics do get repaired, just not right away" I will be very, very surprised, as it would go against their "art".

 

We're not talking about 10 years, we're talking about 100. When she's so different, she'll be a stranger to us either way. With 100 years worth of new experiences.

 

And I'm willing to assume they might be able to save her. Maybe even her memories as well. You think they can make a big assumption that she's beyond saving on a jumble planet, and never try anything else after getting back to Earth? And you admit it yourself, logic is whatever Bioware wants it to be. And if they want to make my scenario happen, they very well can.

 

You're starting to sound like the Catalyst, man. Repeating the same illogical pattern over and over about some conflict between you and Bioware I really don't care about, and not expecting things to ever be different. That things are doom no matter what. Have some hope will yeah? "They're listening to your feedback".

[Mcfly616]

"Soon, your children will create synthetics, and then the chaos will come back"

[TMA LIVE]

Sure they would. Geth with 300 years of independent evolution at peace with their creators (Or having killed most Quarians) wouldn't be the same as that-new-AI-they-installed-in-the-old-geth-chassis.

Not to mention the whole idea sounds disturbingly similar to the way they handled the Rachni in ME3.

Hey, it's how Bioware works. You got Ash and Kaidan, completely different people, and yet say the same lines of dialogue, call you a traitor, and aim a gun at you.

And about them being software, remember, they're Ais now because of the Reaper program they downloaded. It'd what legion did to them.

[katamuro]

I am I the only one that thinks that Synthesis is basically indoctrinating everyone in the galaxy? Because the whole concept of the Reaper is exactly what you turn the galaxy into, a bio-synthetic fusion and everyone is a bit too ready to accept that. 

Control simply cannot be permanent, its just a stopgap measure. 

Destroy is pretty much the only option, but again the Crucible should not have destroyed Geth or EDI, even if they have bits of reaper code they are purely synthetic(in EDI's case she is basically a computer) and the energy wave(because that is what it is) clearly is not a simple EMP, the only way to destroy Reapers once and for all is for the energy wave to be tuned precisely to the Reaper hardware, that is the organic-synthetic hybrid thing that the Reapers are and the huskified ground forces. The logical way to destroy them is to destroy the bond between the two, making the field act on hardware not software. 

So since EDI's hardware and geth hardware are not based on Reaper parts the only one at risk was Shepard since some of his cybernetics were a bio-synthetic fusion.

 

Hence, Destroy is really the only sensible option for a canon choice and seems to me only needs a minor alteration(as in geth and EDI were shut down for a while but were reactivated later) and it would satisfy the most people. 

And it gives a better choice of continuing with the universe than anything else. Rebuilding the mass relays and the galaxy would take quite a while giving us a lot of options for the next main character. Explorer/mercenary/former n7 operative who is out in the galaxy opening new relays, finding new species and doing his best to beat the slavers, mercenaries and pirates that always spring up after a major war. That sets us both in the best position where we can both explore, fight and yet have a big problem that needs solving without a massive, nearly unbeatable enemy like the Reapers. 

[wright1978]

I am I the only one that thinks that Synthesis is basically indoctrinating everyone in the galaxy? Because the whole concept of the Reaper is exactly what you turn the galaxy into, a bio-synthetic fusion and everyone is a bit too ready to accept that. 

Control simply cannot be permanent, its just a stopgap measure. 

Destroy is pretty much the only option, but again the Crucible should not have destroyed Geth or EDI, even if they have bits of reaper code they are purely synthetic(in EDI's case she is basically a computer) and the energy wave(because that is what it is) clearly is not a simple EMP, the only way to destroy Reapers once and for all is for the energy wave to be tuned precisely to the Reaper hardware, that is the organic-synthetic hybrid thing that the Reapers are and the huskified ground forces. The logical way to destroy them is to destroy the bond between the two, making the field act on hardware not software. 

So since EDI's hardware and geth hardware are not based on Reaper parts the only one at risk was Shepard since some of his cybernetics were a bio-synthetic fusion.

 

Hence, Destroy is really the only sensible option for a canon choice and seems to me only needs a minor alteration(as in geth and EDI were shut down for a while but were reactivated later) and it would satisfy the most people. 

And it gives a better choice of continuing with the universe than anything else. Rebuilding the mass relays and the galaxy would take quite a while giving us a lot of options for the next main character. Explorer/mercenary/former n7 operative who is out in the galaxy opening new relays, finding new species and doing his best to beat the slavers, mercenaries and pirates that always spring up after a major war. That sets us both in the best position where we can both explore, fight and yet have a big problem that needs solving without a massive, nearly unbeatable enemy like the Reapers. 

That was always the only interpretation of Synthesis that made any sense to me.
Only way i could see control working is via mass regular killing of any opposition and oppression in order to keep organics docile.

Personally I gave up on the nonsense of Bioware's endings and went with MEHEM which gave a simplistic but at least workable ending.

[Iakus]

We're not talking about 10 years, we're talking about 100. When she's so different, she'll be a stranger to us either way. With 100 years worth of new experiences.

 

But lacking crucial experiences and memories.  THings that make her "EDI".  As I said, look at Legion's replacement.  

 

 

 

And I'm willing to assume they might be able to save her. Maybe even her memories as well. You think they can make a big assumption that she's beyond saving on a jumble planet, and never try anything else after getting back to Earth? And you admit it yourself, logic is whatever Bioware wants it to be. And if they want to make my scenario happen, they very well can.

 

They were convinced enough to add her to the War Memorial.  And having a flashback of her (as well as a picture of an abandoned Rannoch if the quarians are dead) is a pretty clear indication of what one is supposed to think.  EDI didn't get a breath scene, or Joker a Force-Sensitive moment...

 

 

You're starting to sound like the Catalyst, man. Repeating the same illogical pattern over and over about some conflict between you and Bioware I really don't care about, and not expecting things to ever be different. That things are doom no matter what. Have some hope will yeah? "They're listening to your feedback".

 

I had hope.  back when they said "We are listening" as EC was announced.  Now what I have is morbid fascination at how they think they're going to unfrak this mess. 

[katamuro]

Yeah rebuilding her if she was truly destroyed or geth would really not be an option, there is no doubt that it could be done but it would not be EDI or the geth, memories is what makes them them. 

Which is why I think that the Destroy ending is not really what we saw anyway. They only need to retcon it slightly anyway, considering the retcons they have done in between ME1-3 then retconning something like that is really minor. And I have already explained why the other ending choices cannot be chosen. 

[SolNebula]

Tbh if they want to make a direct sequel the only thing that make sense to me is a canon-Destroy ending. But as people keep telling me I lack imagination.

[katamuro]

Tbh if they want to make a direct sequel the only thing that make sense to me is a canon-Destroy ending. But as people keep telling me I lack imagination.

 

No that is right, destroy is logical, with minor alterations of course. And wild imagination without restraint is what got us into this mess so its not a handicap to be a bit more grounded. In fact I wish a few writers were a bit more grounded. 

[Manc4life7]

**If the gist of my post has already been stated by others previously in this thread, then please just ignore - I haven't had time to read all 26 pages, but I would like to still throw in my $0.02.**

 

 

The more I think about all the comments made so far by BW folks regarding Next Mass Effect, the more I am convinced we are going to get a continuation of the MEU we already know - the Milky Way, post-Reaper invasion, Shep & the crew existed and saved the day.  I just can't see them going with a reboot, an alternate universe, a new galaxy (Ark Theory), or a pre/side-quel.  

 

My reasoning behind this is simple - look at what BioWare has already done with their other major franchise, DA.  I know the Dragon Age series and Mass Effect don't make for a true apples to apples comparison, but enough similarities exist that I think it still applies.  Inquisition was not a direct sequel to the previous game in the series, but it is still built upon the world already established in the previous games.  To achieve custom world starting states without being able to import saves, BioWare developed the Keep, an app that lets players tailor the starting state of their game world how ever they want in just a few easy minutes by reviewing key player choices from the previous games. 

 

By making just a few simple assumptions about the state of the MEU - nothing more difficult to accept or "hand-wavy" than things BW & Mass Effect have already asked us to accept in the original trilogy - it would be fairly straightforward for BioWare to do to Mass Effect exactly what they have already done to Dragon Age.  That being, bridge the console generation gap with a new entry in the series, one that is a continuation of the previously existing game world, but not a direct sequel.  To start, just place the setting 100-150 years in the future; any more and the you would start to expect major technological advancements that would render the setting less familiar to the player.  The major player choices everyone keeps yelling about, things like race-outcomes such as the Geth vs Quarians, or the genophage cure, could be reflected in NME via the same mechanic used for the VS in the original trilogy.  Don't make any of the key, core NPCs one of the potentially non-existent races, and for all other less important NPCs just have an alternate-race NPC ready to fill in and deliver the dialog/quest/action in question.  Even if you make a major companion/NPC from one of the potentially non-existent races, it would be easy to incorporate their absence, so to speak.

 

The three ending choices will be slightly harder to incorporate (in particular, synthesis) into a single world-start point, but again, I don't see it as impossible.  As a quick example:

 

- Destroy - Reapers defeated, Shep & most of the crew are dead/gone (Krogan & Asari companions still possibly alive due to their longevity, and available for possible limited cameos), the galaxy is still wrapping up the rebuilding/repopulating efforts.  In rebuilding the relays, new parts of the galaxy are opened up for exploration via the rebuilding of previously unused relays (of which there are/were many).  No geth.  Quarians possibly alive, but as a race/faction, not a major player.  Krogan around in limited numbers, and if genophage cured, more robust numbers.

 

- Control - Reapers controlled, Shep compels Reapers to help rebuild, then the Reapers (and Reaper-god Shep) disappear into dark space and have not been seen/heard from again.  Galaxy is still wrapping up the rebuilding/repopulating efforts.  In rebuilding the relays, new parts of the galaxy are opened up for exploration via the rebuilding of previously unused relays (of which there are/were many).  Geth possibly alive, but as a race/faction, not a major player.  Quarians possibly alive, but as a race/faction, not a major player.  Krogan around in limited numbers, and if genophage cured, more robust numbers.  

 

- Sythensis - Reapers help rebuild, then the Reapers disappear into dark space and have not been seen/heard from again.  Fundamental changes to life (organic & synthetic) from Synthesis are very subtle, and still being studied (they are little understood since, you know, everyone kind of needed to help rebuild the galaxy).  Galaxy is still wrapping up the rebuilding/repopulating efforts.  In rebuilding the relays, new parts of the galaxy are opened up for exploration via the rebuilding of previously unused relays (of which there are/were many).  Geth possibly alive, but as a race/faction, not a major player.  Quarians possibly alive, but as a race/faction, not a major player.  Krogan around in limited numbers, and if genophage cured, more robust numbers.

 

 Now those possible summaries aren't perfect, or even anywhere close.  But is the hand-waving around the long term effects Synthesis (or any item, really) any worse than what ME has already asked us to accept in the original trilogy?  In my opinion, no.

 

Wow.  Sorry for the novel.

[The Arbiter]

"Soon, your children will create synthetics, and then the chaos will come back"

Now you sound like casper, big fan of him?

 

 

[WillieStyle]

Tbh if they want to make a direct sequel the only thing that make sense to me is a canon-Destroy ending. But as people keep telling me I lack imagination.

Ugh! I came back to this thread ready to argue. But all I find is a bunch of people I agree with.

[Mcfly616]

Now you sound like casper, big fan of him?

 

 

 Not a fan per se. But its logic is sound.