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[Tython]

The longer the wait, the more time we have to speculate. Sadly, I still think they are trying to figure out the story which is why we haven't heard anything yet. Building suspense is one thing but this seems more like the last game; wrote themselves into a corner and don't know what to do. Only thing the suits at Bioware can agree on is they want to milk this cash cow called Mass Effect some more.

 

Stepping back, it's hard for anyone to support a race of robots or their creator that systematically exterminates all sentient life in the galaxy every 50,000 years. They could be 100% right but it's just not something any sane person could agree with. Now if you are indoctrinated like TIM...

 

My hope is the ME:Next will be similar to DAI. Wow I love that game!

[Ajensis]

The Catalyst is faulty proper way is to turn it off permanently. Legion and EDI also agrees

 

Sure I always pick Destroy myself.

 

Sadly, I still think they are trying to figure out the story which is why we haven't heard anything yet. Building suspense is one thing but this seems more like the last game; wrote themselves into a corner and don't know what to do. Only thing the suits at Bioware can agree on is they want to milk this cash cow called Mass Effect some more.

 

I see no reason to think they've written themselves into a corner. I mean, that would be pretty impressive considering they're basically starting with a clean slate with no ties to the original trilogy it's much more likely they're simply waiting for the green light from whatever marketing analysist people have power over these matters.

I imagine there aren't that many "suits" at Bioware, by the way. It's my impression they're mostly just passionate people who see the same opportunities in the Mass Effect universe that most of us players do if the money people at EA rub their hands because "Mass Effect" has gained some popularity, then that's fine by me. No reason to suspect they're creatively bankrupt at Bioware juuuust yet.

 

Stepping back, it's hard for anyone to support a race of robots or their creator that systematically exterminates all sentient life in the galaxy every 50,000 years. They could be 100% right but it's just not something any sane person could agree with. Now if you are indoctrinated like TIM...

 

Not sure what this is relevant to. Have you seen someone express genuine support for the Reapers lately? Or ever?

 

My hope is the ME:Next will be similar to DAI. Wow I love that game!

 

My hope is it won't be too similar. DAI had many strong points, but I wasn't all that thrilled with wandering region after region that had little to do with the main story. I hope ME4 will look closer to its ancestors for its narrative.

But definitely some good things to take away from the latest Dragon Age, too

[Iakus]

 "Extrapolation"

 

Only if "The sky is falling" can be considered extrapolation

 

 

 

A source that doesn't have much reason to lie or twist the truth.

It has every reason to twist the truth.

 

The Reapers to justify their existence, the Leviathans to maintain their superiority as an apex species.  In their own minds at least

 

 

Logical if it's true. The Reapers are in no way bringing about the the very thing they're supposed to prevent.

 

Big "if"

 

ANd yes, they are synthetics wiping out organic species.  Something they were designed to prevent.

[The Arbiter]

The longer the wait, the more time we have to speculate. Sadly, I still think they are trying to figure out the story which is why we haven't heard anything yet. Building suspense is one thing but this seems more like the last game; wrote themselves into a corner and don't know what to do. Only thing the suits at Bioware can agree on is they want to milk this cash cow called Mass Effect some more.

 

Stepping back, it's hard for anyone to support a race of robots or their creator that systematically exterminates all sentient life in the galaxy every 50,000 years. They could be 100% right but it's just not something any sane person could agree with. Now if you are indoctrinated like TIM...

 

My hope is the ME:Next will be similar to DAI. Wow I love that game!

whatever they are planning I sure hope if and only if it's a reboot or a restart... we get to see something unfamiliar... new crew has to be 100% different from the trilogy. If I see a single Quarian female on board I can't help but think about Tali same goes to others... unless if the new Quarian is Male then that would be interesting to see

 

Also since the main protagonist is wearing an N7 commissioned armor I can't stop thinking about Earth or what happened to the milky way altogether after 3. If nothing has happened in the new game then it's definitely a restart of the franchise

[katamuro]

whatever they are planning I sure hope if and only if it's a reboot or a restart... we get to see something unfamiliar... new crew has to be 100% different from the trilogy. If I see a single Quarian female on board I can't help but think about Tali same goes to others... unless if the new Quarian is Male then that would be interesting to see

 

Also since the main protagonist is wearing an N7 commissioned armor I can't stop thinking about Earth or what happened to the milky way altogether after 3. If nothing has happened in the new game then it's definitely a restart of the franchise

 

I would not put much stock into the pictures they have revealed so far, especially such old ones. All those pictures are basically exploration of what could be. They were released quite a long time ago. By now they could have nothing to do with the game.

As for squad members, why not? And genderswapping them is not a solution they would still fill the same roles just for a different gender. 

But I am against a complete reboot, I have no wish to see a complete blank slate with ME badge on top. 

[The Arbiter]

I would not put much stock into the pictures they have revealed so far, especially such old ones. All those pictures are basically exploration of what could be. They were released quite a long time ago. By now they could have nothing to do with the game.

As for squad members, why not? And genderswapping them is not a solution they would still fill the same roles just for a different gender. 

But I am against a complete reboot, I have no wish to see a complete blank slate with ME badge on top. 

we have to wait and see my friend.

[themikefest]

Could they do a reboot by bringing back the same characters, but change some parts of the story?

 

I'm not saying the next game is a reboot, since I don't believe it will be

 

Could the game after the one that is currently being developed be a reboot?

[katamuro]

we have to wait and see my friend.

I know, I know. And its probably not going to be here for a year. I just wish they said something that would either confirm our fears or give us hope once more. So far all they have said is only bringing more doubts.

[WillieStyle]

I wasn't around however many million years ago when the Leviathans ruled. How do you expect me to answer this?

And again, you're mocking the idea of inevitability with the short-sightedness of humans. Think about it from the perspective of a computer. It might be a matter of the likelihood increasing by .1 % every x amount of years and it might seem ridiculous to us, but to a computer those .1 % might mean the difference between a 0 and a 1.

I'm not saying the Catalyst was right and that it would definitely happen. I wouldn't even say it would probably happen. What matters is that the Catalyst saw it as inevitable in a way we might not be able to fully understand, but that doesn't make it wrong. Characters in stories aren't always right, but what matters is that their motivation makes sense. Applying human logic to a computer doesn't make sense, though, which (to me) seems to be the main reason so many people complain about the Catalyst's logic.

I'm not mocking the Catalyst out of shortsightedness. I'm mocking it out of a sense of epistemological modesty. Take your 0.1 % chance every X years. What are the error bars on that estimate? Keep in mind that this is a highly nonlinear, almost certainly chaotic system the Catalyst is attempting to model. Even a slight error in its probability estimates could be the difference between "inevitable" and "extremely unlikely". And we know that its model must have error bars because it failed to predict Shepherd making it to the Citadel. So a logical being familiar with Baysian statistics would have to rethink the notion of "inevitability" especially if it is far-sighted: forever is a really long time.

The only way to justify the extinction cycles - even by the Catalyst's own reasoning - is if the even greater evil (the extinction of all organic life) was all but inevitable. But there was simply no way the Catalyst could be sure of that. So choosing the extinction cycles was irrational; insanely so.

And again, that's fine. Insane AI make for some awesome stories. Just don't expect me to tak the insane AI's arguments at face value.

[katamuro]

Could they do a reboot by bringing back the same characters, but change some parts of the story?

 

I'm not saying the next game is a reboot, since I don't believe it will be

 

Could the game after the one that is currently being developed be a reboot?

 

Well they could and for a while there I kinda hoped that is what they would do, completely remaster a trilogy with a different ending. However its too soon to do that kind of reboot. Plus it would be hard to make it its own game without basically being ME+

 

Also could be but its going to really depend on how the one that is currently in development sells and is received by the public. If it doesn't sell it could kill the franchise. And I think if they do a restart with different story and characters or some kind of pre/mid-quel then its also has high probability of killing the franchise.

[themikefest]

Well they could and for a while there I kinda hoped that is what they would do, completely remaster a trilogy with a different ending. However its too soon to do that kind of reboot. Plus it would be hard to make it its own game without basically being ME+

 

Also could be but its going to really depend on how the one that is currently in development sells and is received by the public. If it doesn't sell it could kill the franchise. And I think if they do a restart with different story and characters or some kind of pre/mid-quel then its also has high probability of killing the franchise.

If the next game doesn't sell well, and I like for it to sell well, would it be enough for EA to have Bioware to bring Shepard back?

[The Arbiter]

Hah I love your reactions guys about the unknown of the franchise. If they do decide a Restart for the franchise come on! at-least we had our ride and it was the best... shame that the founders left Bioware so yeah there's that. Anyway I realized one thing during the end of ME3 no matter what choice you picked... one thing always remained intact and that is moving on which is my canon.

 

If ME 4 is a complete restart I will surely move on and have an end once and for all. Can't say about you guys but I would completely stop posting here and abandon this account once I get closure.

 

So here's to the epic Trilogy and crew!

[katamuro]

If the next game doesn't sell well, and I like for it to sell well, would it be enough for EA to have Bioware to bring Shepard back?

 

I don't know. What I do know is that EA is ruthless, EA has killed game developer companies before, burning them out until nothing is left and then simply closing them. They killed off Maxis just recently and they have killed Westwood, Pandemic, Mythic, Origin. 

One good thing however is that BioWare also has Dragon Age. And DAI sold quite well. So we have hope that if the next one does do as well as they hope, they could still make another one. 

[Jaquio]

I don't know. What I do know is that EA is ruthless, EA has killed game developer companies before, burning them out until nothing is left and then simply closing them. They killed off Maxis just recently and they have killed Westwood, Pandemic, Mythic, Origin. 

One good thing however is that BioWare also has Dragon Age. And DAI sold quite well. So we have hope that if the next one does do as well as they hope, they could still make another one. 

 

David Gaider stepped down as lead writer on Dragon Age in order to start a new IP for Bioware.  Weekes took over as lead writer on DA.  It makes me wonder if ME4 will be the last because they're using it as a financial bridge between ME and the new IP, or if they plan on continuing to run with three IPs rolling simultaneously.

[Maniccc]

 Wars do come in many forms, however none is a constant like the organic/synthetic problem within the MEU. 

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.  Really?  Ever crack open a history book?

[Drone223]

The longer the wait, the more time we have to speculate. Sadly, I still think they are trying to figure out the story which is why we haven't heard anything yet.

They most likely have the story already sorted out, the reason why we've heard nothing about it is because they're waiting to reveal it at E3 were the game will be officially announced.

[katamuro]

David Gaider stepped down as lead writer on Dragon Age in order to start a new IP for Bioware.  Weekes took over as lead writer on DA.  It makes me wonder if ME4 will be the last because they're using it as a financial bridge between ME and the new IP, or if they plan on continuing to run with three IPs rolling simultaneously.

Considering the profits they have received so far I think they are quite likely to go ahead with three IP's. After all one of the reasons they shut down that coop game they were making was to focus more on what they already have in development. 

And despite what they have done to it MEU is still able to offer too much profit for them to simply discard it. And I think that it is good that a new team is working on ME, story wise that is. There are quite a few bitter feelings with the old team so giving it to someone who can take it in a fresh yet familiar direction would be advantageous to the game sales.

[Jaquio]

If the next game doesn't sell well, and I like for it to sell well, would it be enough for EA to have Bioware to bring Shepard back?

 

It's not even a matter of bringing Shepard back.  Almost all of the people who made Shepard and his world are gone.

 

It's like loving a band, and then because of creative differences the drummer leaves, and they replace him, then the lead singer leaves, and they replace him, then the lead guitarist leaves, and they replace him.  Soon, the only person left from the original lineup is the bassist, and now he's writing the music and "leading" the band.  Sure the band has the same name, but the creative output isn't the same at all.  And they're not going to make music like the music you first fell in love with.

[themikefest]

It's not even a matter of bringing Shepard back.  Almost all of the people who made Shepard and his world are gone.

Doesn't mean they can't If the writers come up with a good story, I don't see a problem
 

It's like loving a band, and then because of creative differences the drummer leaves, and they replace him, then the lead singer leaves, and they replace him, then the lead guitarist leaves, and they replace him.  Soon, the only person left from the original lineup is the bassist, and now he's writing the music and "leading" the band.  Sure the band has the same name, but the creative output isn't the same at all.  And they're not going to make music like the music you first fell in love with.

Not really.

Look at Ozzy Osbourne. He's had different drummers and guitarists over the years and his music still sells well

Def Leppard had a couple guys leave and one who died and he was replaced. The band is still performing and doing well

AC/DC lead singer died in 1980 and replaced. The group has done very well

I'm sure there are other bands out there that had band members replaced and still do well

[Iakus]

If the next game doesn't sell well, and I like for it to sell well, would it be enough for EA to have Bioware to bring Shepard back?

Bringing Shepard back won't fix the problem, imo.  I was ready to move on from Shep since well before ME3 was released.

 

The problem is how they ended Shepard's story, and what they did to the galaxy, in all the possible outcomes.

 

Heck if my Shepard came back, he'd probably eat a bullet for what he'd been forced to do.

[shepskisaac]

David Gaider stepped down as lead writer on Dragon Age in order to start a new IP for Bioware.  Weekes took over as lead writer on DA.  It makes me wonder if ME4 will be the last because they're using it as a financial bridge between ME and the new IP, or if they plan on continuing to run with three IPs rolling simultaneously.

No reason why couldn't they, they have the manpower to do it now. Edmonton has had enough people for 2 franchises running simultaneously for a while now, in the meantime Montreal has grown into full-fledged studio and since Shadow Realms was cancelled Austin will be providing support to Edmonton/Montreal like the latter used to do (multiplayer, DLC etc). EA would certinately be happy to have 3 hit franchises at Bioware they could be swapping yearly for guaranteed profits

[Mcfly616]

Only if "The sky is falling" can be considered extrapolation

 

It has every reason to twist the truth.

 

The Reapers to justify their existence, the Leviathans to maintain their superiority as an apex species.  In their own minds at least

 

 

Big "if"

 

ANd yes, they are synthetics wiping out organic species.  Something they were designed to prevent.

 Or the domino effect. Logical extrapolation.

 

It has no need to lie to something it can squish like a bug with a mere thought. If it were to lie it would suggest something as a great as it would be as self conscious as a teenage girl. Highly improbable.

 

No, they are synthetic/organic hybrids wiping out advanced civilizations. They are designed to prevent the extinction of all life.

[Mcfly616]

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.  Really?  Ever crack open a history book?

 I have an associates degree in history. Clearly you don't or you would know that the dynamic of the organic-synthetic problem is unrelatable to any in human civilized history. There's nothing to relate it to. Not to mention the cosmic timescale.

[RoboticWater]

 I have an associates degree in history. Clearly you don't or you would know that the dynamic of the organic-synthetic problem is unrelatable to any in human civilized history. There's nothing to relate it to. Not to mention the cosmic timescale.

The story of creation destroying creator has existed for centuries, likely millennia, and racism based on fundamental misunderstandings has existed since the invention of misunderstanding. I find it very hard to believe that there is not at least one human conflict relatable to synthetic/organic conflict.

[Switish]

Synthesis: People walk around with luminous green eyes and skin, are more accepting towards each other bla bla bla sunshine and rainbows. Though I suspect many would not cope the sudden change to the foundation of life itself, therefor many lives were lost post-war.

Destroy: Everything continues as it was before without the threat of Reapers, the relationship between Synthetics is rocky at best depending on how you handled things in ME3, nothing is learned what so ever and the galaxy continues it petty squabbles and trust issues.

Control: The Reapers help rebuild with the rather unwilling backing of the races. Their technology helps tremendously though people have issue with accepting the Reapers cooperation, resulting in them fleeing back into dark space to keep an eye on us.Following similar lines to Destroy, the Reapers return to place 'peace' measures when needed.