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[wolfhowwl]

The ME 3 endings basically wrecked the ME universe, no matter which way you went.  Frankly, they need to scrap MEU, and build something new.  There is absolutely nothing they can do in an ME4 that would make sense to everyone short of ignoring the ME trilogy, which would annoy a bunch of people who would then take to the internet with digital pitchforks, storming every ME4 forum on the planet.

 

I'm guessing that the team is hoping enough people will just eat up whatever they throw at the marketplace in an ME4 despite all the negative feedback they must know is going to come their way.  If I was them, I'd be second guessing myself and cringing at every decision I made regarding the game's story.  How can they not know that no matter what they do, they're going to get slammed all over again?

 

You can just choose a canon ending (easy choice there) and paragon path for ME3 choices and let the crybabies throw their tantrum.

[dreamgazer]

 Nah. They should own them.

 

Indeed.  Show some gusto, instead of cower and coddle. 

[katamuro]

I don't disagree with that, Iakus, I'm simply saying that whether or not you like or dislike the ending is largely irrelevant due to established cannon.

 

Katamuro, according to the Codex, FTL drives have a maximum speed of 15 light years per 24 hour day. The Milky Way is somewhere between 100,000 and 120,000 LY in diameter so taking the conservative 100K LY you're looking at over 18 years to get from one side to the other. That's a lot of provisions for ships that weren't designed for provisions or long term travel. Then there's the fact that a ship can't even cross a star cluster without needing to refuel, never mind the vast galactic distances involved in getting anywhere from the local cluster (fairly central in the galactic south). Imagine how many times you'd need to refuel to get to the Terminus systems which are on the opposite side of the Galaxy to the local cluster? Refuelling has been established since ME2.

 

Also consider that FTL drives are meant for relatively short galactic travel, not traveling from one side to the other. There's wear and tear on the engines to consider, CO2 scrubbers on the Life support, psychological impact of years of travel, the entire thing is a can of worms unless you pointedly ignore it all which brings us back to the cheap pulp fiction scenario were Mass Effect descends in to corny Sci-Fi stereotypes and clichés. Like I said, it's a can of worms and one which would be best being re-written. Hey, it's not like I like the endings, I don't, I hate them with a passion. I think they're complete and utter **** and whomever wrote them should never be allowed near the writing department ever again. All I'm saying is that to those who are strange and actually like the endings, there's more to consider than whether you choose blue, green or red.

 

Well I agree with you there. And sure the ships that been made by all the species cant go far, however its a product of the existence of the mass relays. Without them they would need to build ships with much higher ability cruise between the star systems, more space for provisions, redesigned mass effect cores for longer duration, longer time between discharges, more fuel. Thats what I am saying, sure its going to take a hell of a lot longer but its not impossible and its far from undoable.

[Heimdall]

You can just choose a canon ending (easy choice there) and paragon path for ME3 choices and let the crybabies throw their tantrum.

Recent tweets say no canon.

[Linkenski]

Does respecting player choice extend to refuse?

Oh snap!

[Dubozz]

They are so afraid of ME3 they don't even want to mention it. Pathetic. 

[dreamgazer]

They are so afraid of ME3 they don't even want to mention it. Pathetic.

The entire thread is based on them mentioning ME3, actually, and the developers have already stated there will be callbacks to the original trilogy.

Guess what else doesn't have a canon ending leading into it? Dragon Age Inquisition.

[Maniccc]

The entire thread is based on them mentioning ME3, actually, and the developers have already stated there will be callbacks to the original trilogy.

Guess what else doesn't have a canon ending leading into it? Dragon Age Inquisition.

But there is a major difference:  the ME 3 endings offer radically different outcomes in terms of the entire game world.  In DA games, you get one world altering outcome, no matter what you do.  The differences are smaller in scale, and even some of those (god-baby, for instance) have been hand waived into oblivion.

[Epyon]

Well I agree with you there. And sure the ships that been made by all the species cant go far, however its a product of the existence of the mass relays. Without them they would need to build ships with much higher ability cruise between the star systems, more space for provisions, redesigned mass effect cores for longer duration, longer time between discharges, more fuel. Thats what I am saying, sure its going to take a hell of a lot longer but its not impossible and its far from undoable.

 

Yeah, EVENTUALLY there'll be spacetravel throughout the galaxy again. If the Mass Relay get rebuilt by Shepherd controlled Reapers, things'll be back to normal in relatively short-order. If everyone is organic/synthetic Reaper hybrids, I presume technology takes massive lead forwards. If Destroy is picked however, "eventually" is a time that only Grunt and Liara can live long enough to see.

[dreamgazer]

But there is a major difference:  the ME 3 endings offer radically different outcomes in terms of the entire game world.

 

The game itself confirms that all paths lead to a similar world-state, though. 

 

 

Not having a canon ending to ME3 =/= Not having a canon beginning to MENext. 

[goishen]

Yeah, EVENTUALLY there'll be spacetravel throughout the galaxy again. If the Mass Relay get rebuilt by Shepherd controlled Reapers, things'll be back to normal in relatively short-order. If everyone is organic/synthetic Reaper hybrids, I presume technology takes massive lead forwards. If Destroy is picked however, "eventually" is a time that only Grunt and Liara can live long enough to see.

 

If destroy is picked then they can gather back up the pieces of the destroyed reapers and learn from them, thus learning how to reconstruct the mass relays.  Cerberus did this with the destroyed reaper corpse in ME2.  You can see the destroyed (or rather the irradiated corpse) in ME3.

[windsea]

Bioware is REALLY REALLY good at having your choices there but all having a inevitable outcome.

 

For example

ME1 into ME2

Humans control council-LOL we to busy to help you also we hate Cerberus

Saved the council-LOL that's a human problem

 

ME2 into ME3;Cerberus because evil making the base choice completely mute outside of 10 war assets points

 

Plot Important character dies, UNDERSTUDY!

 

 

 

So yeah I'm pretty sure the ending choices are going to be there but they are nowhere nearly going to have the effect they should. 

[Dunmer of Redoran]

Recent tweets say no canon.

 

I'll believe it when I see it.

 

 

This project has been shrouded in secrecy. I expect some smoke and mirrors to confuse people.

[Epyon]

If destroy is picked then they can gather back up the pieces of the destroyed reapers and learn from them, thus learning how to reconstruct the mass relays.  Cerberus did this with the destroyed reaper corpse in ME2.  You can see the destroyed (or rather the irradiated corpse) in ME3.

Yeah, that worked out great for Cerberus. Anyway, even the Reapers took 4 months to get too the nearest Mass Relay from the Batarian system. Rebuilding the Mass Relay itself was clearly not quicker and easier. Now they have to travel manually to every system's Mass Relay from Earth to the Perseus Veil (and haul the neccesary building resources) if we wanna have Geth and/or Quarians. That'll take a massive amount of time, a human generation at least. Unless the Reapers in every system as shown in the final ME3 galaxy map are still intact and doing all the work all at the same time. In which case ME4 can happen like 2/3 years after ME3.

[Heimdall]

I'll believe it when I see it.

 

 

This project has been shrouded in secrecy. I expect some smoke and mirrors to confuse people.

 

I seriously doubt they're going to kick off the next chapter in Mass Effect by telling the fanbase that their choices don't matter.  And after the reception of the ME3 ending and the way developer statements were picked apart after, I doubt they'd tell such a bold faced lie.

[katamuro]

Honestly it feels like Gamble is trolling us, the whole statement especially considering what they have done before fees like another one of their "near lies". technically it probably is the truth but the way they go around makes it a false one. 

[themikefest]

Its possible he tweeted that just to avoid other questions related to the ending. I don't know. 

[Dunmer of Redoran]

I seriously doubt they're going to kick off the next chapter in Mass Effect by telling the fanbase that their choices don't matter. And after the reception of the ME3 ending and the way developer statements were picked apart after, I doubt they'd tell such a bold faced lie.

I mean I'll believe it when the game drops. A few words are not convincing enough.

[Heimdall]

Its possible he tweeted that just to avoid other questions related to the ending. I don't know. 

I just doubt that, after the ME3 experience, he'd tweet something just blatantly untrue.

[Heimdall]

The game itself confirms that all paths lead to a similar world-state, though. 

 

 

Not having a canon ending to ME3 =/= Not having a canon beginning to MENext. 

That just means that there's enough room to have an adult talking to a child about Shepard on a particular planet, it's hardly indicative of the larger worldstate.

[dreamgazer]

That just means that there's enough room to have an adult talking to a child about Shepard on a particular planet, it's hardly indicative of the larger worldstate.

 

Sure, it is.  No matter if the Reapers are destroyed and out of the way of the organic-synthetic conflict, if the Reapers are hanging around to rebuild and mitigate, or if everyone's wired up through Synthesis with digi-DNA ... that old man and child still have the same conversation in the same tone on the same planet in the future. All roads lead to Rome.

 

Except with Refuse. That road leads to Bologna. 

[SGT NOOBSTER]

Sure, it is.  No matter if the Reapers are destroyed and out of the way of the organic-synthetic conflict, if the Reapers are hanging around to rebuild and mitigate, or if everyone's wired up through Synthesis with digi-DNA ... that old man and child still have the same conversation in the same tone on the same planet in the future. All roads lead to Rome.

 

Except with Refuse. That road leads to Bologna. 

 

This is partly why I believe that the NME will either be happening in parallel or, as Shepard's Protege's Protege in the distant(ish) future.

[Heimdall]

Sure, it is.  No matter if the Reapers are destroyed and out of the way of the organic-synthetic conflict, if the Reapers are hanging around to rebuild and mitigate, or if everyone's wired up through Synthesis with digi-DNA ... that old man and child still have the same conversation in the same tone on the same planet in the future. All roads lead to Rome.

 

Except with Refuse. That road leads to Bologna. 

No, it isn't.  They can have the same conversation in vastly different galaxies, as the EC indicates.

[dreamgazer]

No, it isn't.  They can have the same conversation in vastly different galaxies, as the EC indicates.

 

Those galaxies obviously aren't very different in the future, since they all have a common meeting point. The EC itself even displays characters and events in very similar ways no matter the ending choice.  What happens beyond our participation and what's shown to us is up to the universe's grand design, and the Stargazer scene proves that things do, indeed, respond and course-correct to a similar state. 

[themikefest]

I just doubt that, after the ME3 experience, he'd tweet something just blatantly untrue.

Maybe.

 

I'm not worried about it.