Do you talk about these individuals every time you go on a road trip? Every time you go on vacation or take a drive with someone? Didn't think so.
No but I would think about most of them. For without their actions my country would still be under Japanese imperial rule and I wouldn't be in that road trip because I would be serving the Japanese.
No but I think about most of them. For without their actions my country would still be under Japanese imperial rule and I wouldn't be in that road trip because I would be serving the Japanese.
Their names are familiar for a reason. They're historical figures. Thing is, most people with pressing matters at hand, other interests to deal with, and just those who are invested in the 'here and now', don't tend to feel the need or even think to start discussing unrelated events from decades ago, let alone centuries.
Bioware can tell a story in the next Mass Effect that has no need or reason to even bring up Shepard/Reapers/ or the events of ME3.
Their names are familiar for a reason. They're historical figures. Thing is, most people with pressing matters at hand, other interests to deal with, and just those who are invested in the 'here and now', don't tend to feel the need or even think to start discussing unrelated events from decades ago, let alone centuries.
Bioware can tell a story in the next Mass Effect that has no need or reason to even bring up Shepard/Reapers/ or the events of ME3.
That proves my point it is a ALTERNATE UNIVERSE + REBOOT / RESTART
yes we can move forward without tackling Shepard but his impact is there.
Just like how people made an impact on my country 74 years ago. We seldom speak about them but they are here
which means you can not move forward without seeing something or anything reminding you about Shepard in the Milky Way Galaxy. Unless if it is a ALTERNATE UNIVERSE + REBOOT / RESTART
That proves my point it is a ALTERNATE UNIVERSE + REBOOT / RESTART
not even in the slightest way does it prove anything. Certainly not your point.
It can take place a decade before ME1, parallel to the events of the Shepard saga and before the Reaper invasion, or centuries after ME3.
That proves my point it is a ALTERNATE UNIVERSE + REBOOT / RESTART
yes we can move forward without tackling Shepard but his impact is there.
Just like how people made an impact on my country 74 years ago. We seldom speak about them but they are here
which means you can not move forward without seeing something or anything reminding you about Shepard in the Milky Way Galaxy. Unless if it is a ALTERNATE UNIVERSE + REBOOT / RESTART
You most certainly can go about the galaxy without seeing any sign of Shepard. The galaxy is a big place. Much bigger than Earth. I've never been to Arlington cemetary. I've only ever seen it on tv. And only a few times in my lifetime.
If I can live in the U.S. and never see Arlington, never see the Statue of Liberty, Bioware can easily craft an adventure in the MEU that makes no reference to Shepard whether it be visual or in conversation, without it being a reboot or AU.
You and I live on the same planet. It's safe to say we've both seen things the other will never see in our lifetimes. And we're not in alternate universes. No reboot required.
It can take place a decade before ME1, parallel to the events of the Shepard saga and before the Reaper invasion, or centuries after ME3.
"It can take place a decade before ME1, parallel to the events of the Shepard saga and before the Reaper invasion, or centuries after ME3."
It's like playing Half-Life without freeman... STARCRAFT without Raynor, Halo without Chief... I would give the new hero a try maybe awesome but without his/her companions? don't know about it... old races are making a come back but I can't help branding them a re-skin or something except the new species
"It can take place a decade before ME1, parallel to the events of the Shepard saga and before the Reaper invasion, or centuries after ME3."
yup. Some old news you dug up here. Were you trying to propose that this disproves anything I've said? Nice try. But it doesn't.
You're the only one saying that a story with no connection to Shepard requires an AU/reboot. Which it doesn't.
yup. Some old news you dug up here. Were you trying to propose that this disproves anything I've said? Nice try. But it doesn't.
You're the only one saying that a story with no connection to Shepard requires an AU/reboot. Which it doesn't.
Old but they are serious about it. Look at their twitter feeds for god sakes. Same goal. Hasn't change.
Good example is the FINAL FANTASY Franchise. Each Final Fantasy is new no connection whatsoever key elements are there, fantasy, crystals and same character names but different plots... start from scratch has to be reboot every new title. IT'S SQUARE-ENIX tradition and signature.
BIOWARE - Continuation of story, import save files, 100% same hero same friends and squadmates no re-boot no restart.
Square - Decided to break tradition with Final Fantasy X-II and XIII-II / Lightning returns = major flop. Damage control - Release FINAL FANTASY XV going back to tradition new characters, same elements, same impact, different plot.
BIOWARE - Controversy of ending. Scrap everything break tradition of continuation create new story, new characters, no connection whatsoever, key elements present... outcome? = unknown. Formula? ALTERNATE UNIVERSE + REBOOT / RESTART
Old but they are serious about it.
I'm sure they are. Still doesn't help your case.
It's like playing Half-Life without freeman... STARCRAFT without Raynor, Halo without Chief... I would give the new hero a try maybe awesome but without his/her companions? don't know about it... old races are making a come back but I can't help branding them a re-skin or something except the new species
That would be your own problem then. Not the writers of the games. The Halo universe is bigger than Chief. The MEU is bigger than Shepard. Any universe is infinitely bigger than a single character. Your attachment to said character doesn't change that.
Oh, I only played Starcraft 1, never bothered with SC2, the game mechanics were too simplistic to me. And I hardly ever noticed any of the "storyline". So I had to look up who this Raynor dude was, and can't say I'd miss him if he hadn't been there. Not a good example for a Mass Effect without a Shepard. Though I agree with Mcfly, the Mass Effect universe is bigger than Shepard. And as iconic as it is, they could even make a Mass Effect game that doesn't feature a visit to the Citadel.
The answer is simple, NPC 1 and 2 will never have that conversation, because they had that conversation many years ago before your character was ever born. Why do they need to repeat it again? That happened in the past, and they are living in the present.
Whether you want it or not is irrelevant. Unless Bioware reboots the entire series from scratch, they have nowhere to go. Thinking they can somehow write an entire new trilogy that maintains pathways for all 3 endings is not realistic. Having ME4 take place in the past makes even less sense, humans haven't even been on the galactic stage that long. Placing it in parallel with the ME series would not be very sensible, either, how do you make it work with Shepard running around the galaxy? So the only real options are reboot or a few hundred years in the future.
The genophage could be cured by ME4, and how it got cured does not matter. The Krogan could have done it themselves for all we know, and they wont diverge how it got cured to you because you wont ask. You are a new character born in a different time, what do you care about Krogan history? The Asari might not talk about what happened hundreds of years ago, why would they? Its in the past, and your character in ME4 wont care about the past enough to ask. The relays will work, and again, your character wont care why they work, because they worked when you were born.
In other words, just because there are species that may have been alive and know what happened back then, that does not mean they will talk about it all the time. Its in the past.
If you think this sounds far fetched, just look around. The average American doesn't have a clue about the history of say, Japan, much less their own history. The average person in Japan or Europe probably can't name all the US presidents, or name a quarter of the 50 states. Many people don't care about things that happened before they were born, just like kids today have no idea what life was like before the internet, nor do they really care. The character you play as in ME4 wont care, they want to explore or accomplish whatever their mission is.
That would be your own problem then. Not the writers of the games. The Halo universe is bigger than Chief. The MEU is bigger than Shepard. Any universe is infinitely bigger than a single character. Your attachment to said character doesn't change that.
Also considering how many movies and games have been made on the WW2 I think a lot of young people at least know who fought against who and what was the outcome. The finer details might be not clear but pretty much everyone knows how it ended.
So it wouldnt make sense that no one would at least know something about the end of the biggest war in the galaxy.
Mass Effect's universe is big, but not so big that the presence or absence of the Quarians, Krogsn, Rachni, Geth and Reapers would realisticaly go unnoticed. that's more then half the intelligent races that populate the ME galaxy.
I must've missed that part where I said they'd go unnoticed.
...oh right, I never did.
Might be interesting if they introduce fan outcry in some form.
Destroy - aliens blame humans for the destruction of relay network
Control - aliens blame humans for not destroying the Reapers. Shepard's decision is seen as an act to "secure human dominance"
Synthesis - people blame Shepard (and, by extent, humanity) for altering their DNA (and some complications that may come with it)!
Combined with huge losses and the devastation of Earth, humanity falls from grace of the galactic society.
Alliance forms Pathfinder Initiative to discover new allies and economic partners to make up for the lowered trade rates with the Council space
That would be your own problem then. Not the writers of the games. The Halo universe is bigger than Chief. The MEU is bigger than Shepard. Any universe is infinitely bigger than a single character. Your attachment to said character doesn't change that.
A Halo universe without Chief is not HALO at all. A Half Life game without Feeeman is not Half Life at all it would be a spin off. If there is no connection whether directly or indirectly
A Halo universe without Chief is not HALO at all.
You can keep repeating this all day and it won't change the fact that you're wrong. But go ahead, carry on.
ODST, Reach, Spartan Assault say "Hi".
You can keep repeating this all day and it won't change the fact that you're wrong. But go ahead, carry on.
ODST, Reach, Spartan Assault say "Hi".
They revolve around Chief. Spartan Assault is a mobile game which is awesome though but I agree with my friends... it sucks story wise
They revolve around Chief
No, they don't. Chief is in cryo during the end of Reach. The whole game tells it's own narrative before Chief is even remotely referenced in the last few levels. ODST takes place during the Covenants occupation of New Mombasa parallel with the events of Halo 2. And Spartan Assault has even less to do with him. And when the Reclaimer trilogy is over, there will be more Halo games without Chief. Chief is an individual Spartan from a single generation of the program. There are more Spartans and more generations to come.
Because you can't grasp these fictional universes without a certain individual, doesn't make it any less likely that they're going to exist without them.
No, they don't. Chief is in cryo during the end of Reach. ODST takes place during the Covenants occupation of New Mombasa parallel with the events of Halo 2. And Spartan Assault has even less to do with him. And when the Reclaimer trilogy is over, there will be more Halo games without Chief. Chief is an individual Spartan from a single generation of the program. There are more Spartans and more generations to come.
Because you can't grasp these fictional universes without a certain individual, doesn't make it any less likely that they're going to exist without them.
Spartan assault was a spin off. If I am not mistaken Reach was about securing a package... that package was Chief. ODST was yes parallel but still they had an impact with Chief. Furthermore Microsoft clarified that Halo 5 centres and revolves around Chief trying to either save Cortana or you know just walk around AWOL 
Spartan assault was a spin off. If I am not mistaken Reach was about securing a package... that package was Chief. ODST was yes parallel but still they had an impact with Chief. Furthermore Microsoft clarified that Halo 5 centres and revolves around Chief trying to either save Cortana or you know just walk around AWOL
No. "securing a package" was merely an objective of the last mission or two. The entire game was about Noble Team. The narrative and the missions revolve around Noble team and how they handle the fall of Reach.
Spin off or no spin off, Chief is not required to craft a game and story in this fictional universe. Just as Shepard is not required to craft one in the MEU.
Spin off or no spin off, Chief is not required to craft a game and story on this fictional universe. Just as Shepard is not required to craft one in the MEU.
Chief owes the Noble team. Hah I dare Valve release Half Life 3 without freeman or Microsoft scrap Chief in 5 wonder what would happen
Chief owes the Noble team. Hah I dare Valve release Half Life 3 without freeman or Microsoft scrap Chief in 5 wonder what would happen
You do know that Halo 5 is the middle installment of the Reclaimer Trilogy, right? Meaning Halo 6 will be the third and final game in the trilogy. After that Chief's story is concluded. Their will be more Halo games after the fact. And they won't be starring Chief.
You do know that Halo 5 is the middle installment of the Reclaimer Trilogy, right? Meaning Halo 6 will be the third and final game in the trilogy. After that Chief's story is concluded. Their will be more Halo games after the fact. And they won't be starring Chief.
And it would suck
It's like playing Half-Life without freeman...
HL:Blue Shift and Opposing Force were actually quite nice.
BIOWARE - Continuation of story, import save files, 100% same hero same friends and squadmates no re-boot no restart.
The dragon age franchise does quite well without the same hero or squadmates, the ME comics also don't feature Shepard at all.
Spin off or no spin off, Chief is not required to craft a game and story in this fictional universe. Just as Shepard is not required to craft one in the MEU.
This!
Personally, I'd hate a reboot/AU.
I still hope Bioware does what Bioware does best: Incorporating choices and invalidating them at the same time. (Aka: A single line of different dialogue)
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