I just noticed her in my fourth playthrough and third time I sided with the Templars. She goes down pretty easily, and she is the leader of the mage rebellion? Anders would have put up a better fight.
To be fair, Anders was possessed by a Fade entity. Abominations are a lot more powerful than a regular mage is.
Is there some history between superdark and darkknight? I'm not knowledgeable on poster wars
Simply put, here's what happened:
A while ago, I made a thread where I saw the ending for Divine Leliana if you conscripted the mages that said that this ending should be perfect for pretty much everyone. Long story short there were some arguments, the most vocal opponent being thedarkknightrises. This isn't the first time and he is very vocally hateful of Leliana's ending so he couldn't handle that fact. He then proceeded to make numerous threads which were not so subtle insults against me claiming things like I didn't use facts and strawmanning me. Needless to say his threads got closed and he got banned for insulting me. I thought this was the end of that and he was permabanned but apparently he's returned.
Simply put, here's what happened:
A while ago, I made a thread where I saw the ending for Divine Leliana if you conscripted the mages that said that this ending should be perfect for pretty much everyone. Long story short there were some arguments, the most vocal opponent being thedarkknightrises. This isn't the first time and he is very vocally hateful of Leliana's ending so he couldn't handle that fact. He then proceeded to make numerous threads which were not so subtle insults against me claiming things like I didn't use facts and strawmanning me. Needless to say his threads got closed and he got banned for insulting me. I thought this was the end of that and he was permabanned but apparently he's returned.
It all started when Batman made a topic "Bright hand is the Circles Thedas deserve" (paraphrase), it was a topic where he explained why he thought Cassandra and conscripted mages were his favorite ending. Superdarkone stated Leliana and conscripted mages were better (in his usual way) and it provoked a heated discussion.Is there some history between superdark and darkknight? I'm not knowledgeable on poster wars
It all started when Batman made a topic "Bright hand is the Circles Thedas deserve" (paraphrase), it was a topic where he explained why he thought Cassandra and conscripted mages were his favorite ending. Superdarkone stated Leliana and conscripted mages were better (in his usual way) and it provoked a heated discussion.
After that superdarkone made a topic "Leliana as Divine and conscript mages is the best ending for everyone" (paraphrase), and they had another heated discussion.
Batman made a topic "Leliana is the worst Divine", his OP was trolling superdarkone and they had another heated argument.
Since then, they dont like eachother.
It all started when Batman made a topic "Bright hand is the Circles Thedas deserve" (paraphrase), it was a topic where he explained why he thought Cassandra and conscripted mages were his favorite ending. Superdarkone stated Leliana and conscripted mages were better (in his usual way) and it provoked a heated discussion.
After that superdarkone made a topic "Leliana as Divine and conscript mages is the best ending for everyone" (paraphrase), and they had another heated discussion.
Batman made a topic "Leliana is the worst Divine", his OP was trolling superdarkone and they had another heated argument.
Since then, they dont like eachother.
Sounds like a personal squabble that should be taken to PM's. Do you still have to friend each other before you can PM each other? =p
So two different views for the same events. Still, do you think darkknight was justified? What did superdark do to start that thread?
Simply put, I didn't suck up to the pro-temps and decided to stand my ground on my choice. Some people apparently can't handle other choices and have to belittle and insult people who hold those choices. Tell me, it this justified?:
http://forum.bioware.../#entry18458200
Sooooooo...
I'm just going to flat out ask this to see everyone's opinion of the matter. The guide says the Redcliffe mages were brainwashed and Patrick Weekes looks to be deterring to it. So, that means that Fiona was mind controlled into attacking Haven, right? The character may have had her reputation dragged through the mud but I seriously couldn't believe that she'd willingly accept being in the service of a Tevinter magister whose also a Darkspawn.
Even she's not that ridiculous, right.
Generally, if you have a problem with someone or if they're breaking the rules, you can either ignore the user using 'ignore manage pref' or report their posts or topics.
Well superdarkone is a ass when he is on troll hard mode (he can be a nice guy when he is not), but I told darkknight he was wrong in making his thread to troll superdarkone.So two different views for the same events. Still, do you think darkknight was justified? What did superdark do to start that thread?
The guide is not canon, and Patrick himself wrote he was not sure about it and he assumed it maybe right, he told superdarkone to ask David Gaider. If he said "yes it is correct" this discussion would be over.Sooooooo...
I'm just going to flat out ask this to see everyone's opinion of the matter. The guide says the Redcliffe mages were brainwashed and Patrick Weekes looks to be deterring to it. So, that means that Fiona was mind controlled into attacking Haven, right? The character may have had her reputation dragged through the mud but I seriously couldn't believe that she'd willingly accept being in the service of a Tevinter magister whose also a Darkspawn.
Even she's not that ridiculous, right.
Simply put, I didn't suck up to the pro-temps and decided to stand my ground on my choice. Some people apparently can't handle other choices and have to belittle and insult people who hold those choices. Tell me, it this justified?:
http://forum.bioware.../#entry18458200
The guide is not canon, and Patrick himself wrote he was not sure about it and he assumed it maybe right, he told superdarkone to ask David Gaider. If he said "yes it is correct" this discussion would be over.
But even if they were brainwashed, there is not indicating it in game, look how many people dont have this impression, the only place its mentioned is in the guide.
Then how do you explain the ritual in Leliana's version of the investigate Redcliffe mission, the pro-circle mage becoming a venatori torturer in the bad future, and the elf mage being mentally broken?
Also, funny how a dev suggests using the guide while you completely ignore it. Maybe the guide really is truthful. How convenient that the guide just happens to be wrong on the exact point that disproves your entire argument.
He is not a pro templars, he is a pro mage.Simply put, I didn't suck up to the pro-temps and decided to stand my ground on my choice. Some people apparently can't handle other choices and have to belittle and insult people who hold those choices. Tell me, it this justified?:
http://forum.bioware.../#entry18458200
Sorry but Im tired of this discussion, when we have anything new to add we can resume it.Then how do you explain the ritual in Leliana's version of the investigate Redcliffe mission, the pro-circle mage becoming a venatori torturer in the bad future, and the elf mage being mentally broken?
He is not a pro templars, he is a pro mage.
And your trolling wasnt much better.
You didn't see me make an entire thread essentially insulting one person and then get banned for it.
Never said he was right, you can see my post in that thread.You didn't see me make an entire thread essentially insulting one person and then get banned for it.
Actually, DK's ban was for an entirely different reason. That said, I'd suggest this is perhaps the wrong place for this discussion.
Actually, DK's ban was for an entirely different reason. That said, I'd suggest this is perhaps the wrong place for this discussion.
Actually, DK's ban was for an entirely different reason. That said, I'd suggest this is perhaps the wrong place for this discussion.
Somehow that doesn't even remotely surprise me.
He got banned for something else??? What was it? This doesn't paint a flattering picture
I'm tempted to defend him, because the reason is actually sort of ironic to me. Instead I'll send you a pm if that's alright. 
The guide is not canon, and Patrick himself wrote he was not sure about it and he assumed it maybe right, he told superdarkone to ask David Gaider. If he said "yes it is correct" this discussion would be over.
But even if they were brainwashed, there is not indicating it in game, look how many people dont have this impression, the only place its mentioned is in the guide.
But it makes no sense. The Venatori never seem to register the fact that they have Redcliffe mages in their ranks. From my knowledge every letter about them is written by a magister and there's no codex or bit of lore that tells us about the rebel mages decision to join the Venatori or their reaction to Corypheus. They just do so seamlessly. We never see, hear or understand the reasons behind that decision beside them having that deal with Alexius, which turns out to be utter bullshit anyway so why would they continue to adhere to it, especially once they find out that their new boss what's to destroy the world.
Brainwashing seems to be the only answer to this problem because it would actually explain why the entire mage rebellion would just give up what few morals they had and join up the very embodiment of why people despise and fear mages in the first place. The Templars turning evil made sense in the game because they were manipulated through their addiction to lyrium and because their senior members were all converted already. Looking around Redcliffe you see that the mages aren't exactly thrilled by their "alliance" with Alexius and Fiona herself hates the deal as well.
So, yeah, it's either a plot hole, bad writing or a missing codex, and since the guide actually gives an explanation I think it makes sense to go with that.
Love to see what David says about the matter though.
Hierophant's right. Seriously, let's drop it guys. This is not okay.
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