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[Archdemon_Urthemiel]

I'm tempted to defend him, because the reason is actually sort of ironic to me. Instead I'll send you a pm if that's alright.

A pm would be fine

[The Hierophant]

Oh yeah lol @ Fiona. Maric must have been facepalming all the way from the fade.

[Nefla]

She was brainwashed and I don't have any proof. 

You make a compelling argument that I am inclined to agree with!

[HiroVoid]

Love to see what David says about the matter though. 

I wouldn't say its to win an internet argument.  He's already said he hates commenting on things for that reason.

[TK514]

And your trolling wasnt much better.

 

Still isn't.

 

 

 

In any case, on topic, she's in the quest as a result of her terrible decisions.  She allows herself to be manipulated, allows her primary ally to be exiled from his own home, and then when her 'benefactor' blatantly changes the deal and humiliates her in front of the Inquisitor's party, she crumples like tissue.  It doesn't surprise me in the least that someone with so little backbone or leadership ability would fold and do whatever Corypheus told her to.

 

There is no point in the game, regardless of which side you choose, where she doesn't come off looking incompetent and/or hypocritical.

 

The best part of siding with the mages is Alistair showing up and withdrawing his support in the wake of her incompetence.

[Monoservo]

no one really died its a game  i just died from laughter there from my won  funny joke 

[Shahadem]

Fired up a new game and was fighting the Venatori and noticed that she was fighting with them against me. Is this the same Fiona that leads the mages?

 

Because she's an idiot and the quest you didn't do was the product of terrible writing.

[DomeWing333]

This seemed weird to me too. While it's possible that she was under the influence of some type of coercive magic, this isn't at all made explicit in the game. So I'm left with the notion that this former Grey Warden and Grand Enchanter fought to the death on the side of a darkspawn magister who enslaved her people for the purposes of war. And fought pretty hard too. You'd think that she'd at least half-ass the spell-slinging if she didn't really want to be a part of it but was forced to.

[TEWR]

Because Fiona sucks drake balls.

 

All I can think of as I read this is a variation of My Horse Is Amazing.

 

I don't know why. Could be that I need to go to bed. Or, I'm just crazy.

 

Or both.

[Cheviot]

She tells the inquisitor, doesn't she?  She thinks that the Templars will not stop until they've killed all the Mages, and, not seeing any other option to protect her people, she makes an alliance with Tevinter mages, hoping that, because they're mages, they won't be as bad as the Templars.  Her desperation clouded her judgement.

[TEWR]

Sooooooo...

 

I'm just going to flat out ask this to see everyone's opinion of the matter. The guide says the Redcliffe mages were brainwashed and Patrick Weekes looks to be deterring to it. So, that means that Fiona was mind controlled into attacking Haven, right? The character may have had her reputation dragged through the mud but I seriously couldn't believe that she'd willingly accept being in the service of a Tevinter magister whose also a Darkspawn. 

 

Even she's not that ridiculous, right. 

 

I take it nobody tries to get through to Fiona as you fight her, or lamenting her fate afterwards?

 

Because as I recall there was some dialogue for fighting the first Behemoth. One would think there's something for Fiona as well.

[Kurt M.]

It was really stupid of her to become that desperate. I would like to agree with brainwash theories but eventually she deserves it.

 

So, if you're trapped and have to choose between the Venatori and being slayed, you naturally let then kill you, right?

 

At least the mages have more excuses (and way less retarded arrogance) than just "Oh, the Inquisition sided with the Mages, despite us Templars winning the war? Let's allow some madman to insert red lyrium in our bodies!".

[Urazz]

She is there because she is an indentured servant under the Venatori. Alexius made clear they were going to be used in military operations and they are essentially are striking at an ally of the Templar, so I imagine she didn't object too much.

At first that was the case yes, but I thought the rebel mages were brainwashed by the Venatori after that to ensure they would follow their plans and ideas?

[TK514]

So, if you're trapped and have to choose between the Venatori and being slayed, you naturally let then kill you, right?

 

At least the mages have more excuses (and way less retarded arrogance) than just "Oh, the Inquisition sided with the Mages, despite us Templars winning the war? Let's allow some madman to insert red lyrium in our bodies!".

 

If that's what the Templars did, you might have a point.

[TEWR]

Honestly let's just all agree that Bioware took the Mage-Templar War, which was already written in a rather poor fashion to begin with in DAII, and turned it into an honest-to-Ancestors laughingstock that failed spectacularly as a writing device.

 

Because they did.

 

It had potential, but they really just wanted to close up shop on it I guess and give Corypheus his spotlight -- which he deserved -- and then they decided to have him stay out of it as well.

 

Bah, the more I think on Inquisition and how it disappointed me the more bitter I get.

[Ryriena]

Yeah, I am saying it was a badly protrayed plot line to say that your choices matter in the end. I wanted him to have an army of demons instead of the ones we did not pick to help us close the breach.

I also would have had the breach be the very last one we closed, and had Corynphus be a disciple of a forgotten one in my own thoughts. This would also lead to a better plotline and make him at least formidable as an enemy.

[Bad King]

The fact that people are seeking the word of devs on twitter to learn about what Fiona was doing attacking the Inquisition confirms to me how badly written this quest is if you side with the Templars. The fact that Fiona attacks you without there being any cutscene, explanation or recognition is rather ludicrous, and reminiscent of Morinth's absurd appearance in ME3. Denam's similar lack of exposition is less jarring as the Inquisitor never meets him, and even if he did, he is beyond recognition due to red lyrium mutations.

[Dinerenblanc]

The fact that people are seeking the word of devs on twitter to learn about what Fiona was doing attacking the Inquisition confirms to me how badly written this quest is if you side with the Templars. The fact that Fiona attacks you without there being any cutscene, explanation or recognition is rather ludicrous, and reminiscent of Morinth's absurd appearance in ME3. Denam's similar lack of exposition is less jarring as the Inquisitor never meets him, and even if he did, he is beyond recognition due to red lyrium mutations.

Well, the reason Morinth's appearance in ME3 is pretty cut and dry. Fiona on the other hand had more possibilities for her defection, hardly comparable.

[Dieb]

You'd think that she'd at least half-ass the spell-slinging if she didn't really want to be a part of it but was forced to.

 

I love this notion.

 

Hey guys I'm coming duh here's like a fireball or something whatever ouch-ouch-argh a'ight lates. *drops*

 

Like a teenager in afternoon private teaching class.

[Bad King]

Well, the reason Morinth's appearance in ME3 is pretty cut and dry. Fiona on the other hand had more possibilities for her defection, hardly comparable.

 

The fact that there are numerous complex causes/possibilities for her defection and yet they don't bother explaining them actually makes this worse than Morinth in ME3.

[Ryriena]

Actually, their really wasn't a reason for her appearance in Mass effect 3. We didn't even get a cut scene as to how and when she was made into a banshee. So it is comparable.

[Dinerenblanc]

The fact that there are numerous complex causes/possibilities for her defection and yet they don't bother explaining them actually makes this worse than Morinth in ME3.

Uh, that was my point. I thought it was obvious.

[Ranadiel Marius]

At first that was the case yes, but I thought the rebel mages were brainwashed by the Venatori after that to ensure they would follow their plans and ideas?

Nothing in game states as such. So at best that plot point is in an unobserved quantumn state.

[Ryriena]

When someone has said that she would never serve a darkspawn willing, and attacks someone based on the darkspawn orders I would say she was brainwashed or was being controlled by someone. To ignore, evidence based on bias means your aren't an impartial observer.

[Ranadiel Marius]

When someone has said that she would never serve a darkspawn willing, and attacks someone based on the darkspawn orders I would say she was brainwashed or was being controlled by someone. To ignore, evidence based on bias means your aren't an impartial observer.

Or she didn't know she was (indirectly) serving a Darkspawn?