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[WhoopinYourA55Mate]

So I shall be quick about this. We all know that DA4 shall be made one day mine only wish and re-quest would be if it's possible for game to take idk like 100-200 years later since last event's from DA:I. Reason? Very simple so we don't see anymore any old companion or special-snowflakes( Leliana, Morrigan, Varric) ever back in game again. Love them but hell I'm already sick of them and seeing them back forced on you all over again makes me even more sick.

So please let next game be in some other completely era so we don't have once again some special snowflake...or if you bring them back how about option to be able to kill them like permanently not "Hopa-Leliana Style"...that would also be great.

[Servo to the bitter end]

Then it wouldn't be a Dragon Age game. Some of the past companions, particularly Leliana and Morrigan, loom large in the world, and we still have another 60 years to go.

 

But I agree. I hope they keep using different protagonists each time, with mostly new faces. I like it if a memorable bit character comes back as a full-fledged companion, like Isabela and Merrill, and I really dislike the cameos for the sake of cameos.

 

I DO hope that we continue getting stories from Theda past the ninth age, though. As long as it doesn't turn into Mass Effect.

[WhoopinYourA55Mate]

Then it wouldn't be a Dragon Age game. Some of the past companions, particularly Leliana and Morrigan, loom large in the world, and we still have another 60 years to go.

Morrigan important character with grand role for good reason to come back? Yes, she always has been!

But, Leliana important character? Yeah...but only because writers gave her grand big role for no good reason...she is Liara case all over again!

 

I just want if cameos are back...well to keep to classical cameo thing meaning "Hi, I saw you nice, bie" I don't want forced characters onto me again like Varric who is forced on me....Leliana who is especially forced on me.

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Like Warden Alistair who you can get killed.

 

So character as Morrigan and Solas yes have plenty of reasons to keep coming back in game....but Leliana? Varric? Nah, I just hope their story ends completely in DA:I, because I'm getting sick of these two especially being so forced on me.

[Servo to the bitter end]

 

I just want if cameos are back...well to keep to classical cameo thing meaning "Hi, I saw you nice, bie" I don't want forced characters onto me again like Varric who is forced on me....Leliana who is especially forced on me.

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Like Warden Alistair who you can get killed.

 

So character as Morrigan and Solas yes have plenty of reasons to keep coming back in game....but Leliana? Varric? Nah, I just hope their story ends completely in DA:I, because I'm getting sick of these two especially being so forced on me.

 

"Hi, saw you, bye" cameos are awful - that's precisely what I'd like to avoid, because they're so tedious and out of place. Most of the cameos in DA2, and nearly all of the cameos in Mass Effect, fall in that category. Alistair in DA2 was especially bad, regardless of whether he's drunk/king/warden. If anything, cameos should be more substantive, to justify their existence - a la Varric and Leliana (who aren't even cameos, they're main characters). Alistair in DAI was a good example as well - a great twist of the knife.

 

Morrigan important character with grand role for good reason to come back? Yes, she always has been!

But, Leliana important character? Yeah...but only because writers gave her grand big role for no good reason...she is Liara case all over again!

 

That's a silly position. Obviously, Leliana's and Varric's stature as major players is just as legitimate as Morrigan's - ie, the writers deemed them so in the story they're crafting. There's nothing pointless about Leliana's relationship with Justinia and her role in the Chantry. And Varric's actions (and screwups) in many ways lead directly to the events in Inquisition.

 

I guess that's annoying if you don't personally like the characters, but c'est la vie.

[DarkKnightHolmes]

I wouldn't say 100. Otherwise, it ain't Dragon Age. I'd say 30 years around would be fine. Though I agree, old companions coming back always involves throwing some choices away.

[Servo to the bitter end]

I don't mind the cameos, they make me smile, but with the exception of Varric, DAI had all new companions that joined you and I liked that! I have a feeling the next game with allow us to go to Tevinter, and I could easily see Fenris make an appearance in that, and most likely Dorian... but who really knows?

 

Personally, I really like having one or two previous game companions returning. It's a nice way to connect the different protagonists. Anders served that role in DA2, and Varric in DAI (along with compelling bit NPCs - Cassandra! - returning as fully realized companions). I think this is a great approach... and if they save Tevinter for a future game rather than a DLC or expansion, I'd love for an older Dorian to serve that role. He was my breakaway favorite in DAI, bar none.

[Hair Serious Business]

"Hi, saw you, bye" cameos are awful - that's precisely what I'd like to avoid, because they're so tedious and out of place. Most of the cameos in DA2, and nearly all of the cameos in Mass Effect, fall in that category. Alistair in DA2 was especially bad, regardless of whether he's drunk/king/warden. If anything, cameos should be more substantive, to justify their existence - a la Varric and Leliana. Alistair in DAI was a good example as well - a great twist of the knife.

 

That's dumb though. Obviously, Leliana's and Varric's stature as major players is just as legitimate as Morrigan's - ie, the writers deemed them so in the story they're crafting There's nothing pointless about her relationship with Justinia and her role in the Chantry. And Varric's actions (and screwups) in many ways lead directly to the events in Inquisition.

 

I guess that's annoying if you don't personally like their character, but c'est la vie.

Sure because in DA:I BW already gave them most important roles didn't it? Varric well had important role since DA2 so can't say anything about him...but Leliana? Did you played DAO? She never had any role that screamed "This character is important!", Morrigan had important role since day 1 in DAO but Leliana's role in DAO was equal to Zevran's,Oghren's and Sten's role....correction even they had bigger role then her in DAO!

Then you go in DA2 you find up Leliana as agent to Divine...ok if she was with HoF it is logical how she became important then, but if HoF never recruited her? It would have been ok again she could have made contacts and become agent of Divine again but why does she talk in DA:I as if she was when HoF slain Archdemon? Ok ignore that as well. Then players who "killed" her find out in DA2 that Leliana got well by some mysterious power of Maker that is called BW! ME3 had many flaws but they didn't bring dead guys from previous ME back! You didn't see Kaiden/Ashley back if one of them died, you didn't see Garrus back if he died, you didn't see Tali and Miranda back despite having large role in ME3 if they died in ME2, Thane stayed dead as well. Their roles either were filled with some other NPC in ME3 or simply none! But none of them came back from dead!

 

Point is that Leliana's role in DA:I anyone could have filled just easy! She became important by being writer's favorite pet like Liara. Her role in DAO was below 0, then suddenly DA:I starts feeling as if it's Leliana's game and not game about Inquisitor. So this has nothing to do with liking/disliking character this has to do with BW making least important characters for no good reason most important simply because they liked them most. So Morrigan and Varric were important since day 1 but Leliana is just pure as OP stated Liara case of DA franchise.

[Regan_Cousland]

I don't mind the cameos, they make me smile, but with the exception of Varric, DAI had all new companions that joined you and I liked that! I have a feeling the next game with allow us to go to Tevinter, and I could easily see Fenris make an appearance in that, and most likely Dorian... but who really knows?

 

I'd like Fenris to be a companion again if the game is set in Tevinter. Dorian, too. What great banter they'd have. (Assuming BioWare remember to include working banter in the next game.)

Dorian: "I presume that working with me isn't going to be a problem for you, my dear Fenris?"

Fenris: "You presume correctly. It's going to be a problem for you if you keep calling me 'dear'."

Dorian: "Ha! Dear, deary me. I suppose I should shut up, lest I pay dearly for attempting to endear myself to you."

Fenris: "An arrogant magister. I'm not sure I've encountered one of those before."

Dorian: "And such scathing sarcasm! Yes, I can tell we're going to be fast friends."

Fenris: "The friendship will be fast."

 

I don't have a problem with returning companions as long as it makes sense for them to be there and it's not just fan service.

[Servo to the bitter end]

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Well, you can't get too angry about retcons, because in a choice heavy game with custom worldstates, they're inevitable to some extent. Otherwise, the cost and scope get out of hand. Maybe the cameos in ME3 were sensible, but in my opinion they added less than nothing. I also kind of hate ME's story after ME1 though.

 

What I think would have been freakin brilliant would be to have Josie (a new character) as the mainstay, there as your diplomat regardless, and alternates for the other two based on your choices. Leliana dead? Revert the previous retcon and have someone else (Marjolaine? I dunno, would need to think on that for a while) with a similar skillset depending on your worldstate take her place. Get Samson back into the Templars in DA2? He's your advisor, and Cullen is leading the Red Templars.

 

Something like that would have been great.

[Hair Serious Business]

Well, you can't get too angry about retcons, because in a choice heavy game with custom worldstates, they're inevitable to some extent. Otherwise, the cost and scope get out of hand. Maybe the cameos in ME3 were sensible, but in my opinion they added less than nothing. I also kind of hate ME's story after ME1 though.

 

What I think would have been freakin brilliant was to have Josie (a new character)as the mainstay, and alternates for the other two based on your choices. Leliana dead? Revert the previous retcon and have someone else (Marjolaine? I dunno, would need to think on that for a while) with a similar skillset depending on your worldstate take her place. Get Samson back into the Templars in DA2? He's your advisor, and Cullen is leading the Red Templars.

 

Something like that would have been great.

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This is what I was saying. Lots of other people could have filled Leliana's and Cullen's role as well . And this is what OP meant by "Leliana became important for no reason", same is for Cullen. Leliana case is being writer's favorite pet....and Cullen's case...well stupid fanservice.

[Regan_Cousland]

Leliana dead? Revert the previous retcon and have someone else (Marjolaine? I dunno, would need to think on that for a while) with a similar skillset depending on your worldstate ...

 

How about Varric? The only reason he's not the spymaster is because, in his own words, "Leliana is just a better spymaster". 

But if Leliana weren't around, Varric could step in. It'd be interesting to see how he did the job differently.

[Servo to the bitter end]

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This is what I was saying. Lots of other people could have filled Leliana's and Cullen's role as well . And this is what OP meant by "Leliana became important for no reason", same is for Cullen. Leliana case is being writer's favorite pet....and Cullen's case...well stupid fanservice.

 

Well, they are important for a reason. The reason is put forth by the writers (I admittedly don't know what happens in a game where you never recruited her though, since I haven't ever done that), and it makes sense in the context of the story and their character regardless. I happen to like her and Cullen, so it doesn't bother me that much, and I can see why it would annoy someone who doesn't like them to have them play such a prominent role. But the explanation of why they are where they are isn't pointless.

[Hair Serious Business]

Well, they are important for a reason. The reason is put forth by the writers (I admittedly don't know what happens in a game where you never recruited her though, since I haven't ever done that), and it makes sense in the context of the story and their character regardless. I happen to like her and Cullen, so it doesn't bother me that much, and I can see why it would annoy someone who doesn't like them to have them play such a prominent role. But the explanation of why they are where they are isn't pointless.

It is not bothering people because of hate...but because well some other characters deserved more "spotlight" then them. For example we had Cullen,Leliana in all three games and we knew Varric since DA2 while characters such as Josephine,IB,Sera,Dorian,Black Wall are new and characters and these deserved some damn spotlight. I feel like all new characters, except Solas just got overshadowed by old ones.

[Servo to the bitter end]

How about Varric? The only reason he's not the spymaster is because, in his own words, "Leliana is just a better spymaster". 

But if Leliana weren't around, Varric could step in. It'd be interesting to see how he did the job differently.

 

That did occur to me, but I thought perhaps that as a founder of the inquisition, the role might need stronger ties to the chantry, like the other two. (Of course, my example, Marjolaine, doesn't necessarily meet that criteria, though she is a powerful figure in Orlesian circles). But he could - I'm sure he could handle that and being a companion at the same time. He did it in DA2.

[TevinterSupremacist]

Cameos can be fine (provided they don't require "lolrezed" methods and don't take too much screentime), but for non-companion characters. For passerbies. Just to give that "aww, I've killed demons with you in the previous game and had some tent-time too" 5 second giggle.

[Saphiron123]

So I shall be quick about this. We all know that DA4 shall be made one day mine only wish and re-quest would be if it's possible for game to take idk like 100-200 years later since last event's from DA:I. Reason? Very simple so we don't see anymore any old companion or special-snowflakes( Leliana, Morrigan, Varric) ever back in game again. Love them but hell I'm already sick of them and seeing them back forced on you all over again makes me even more sick.

So please let next game be in some other completely era so we don't have once again some special snowflake...or if you bring them back how about option to be able to kill them like permanently not "Hopa-Leliana Style"...that would also be great.

Yeah no thanks Op. If anything I want my warden back.

Plus 200 years later would pull a fable and try and introduce guns etc.

Nope, Iw ant closure, i want more stories, and I think you're in a crazy small minority...

[Fade-Touched-in-the-head]

What an absolutely ludicrous suggestion. Move the timeline significantly forward and replace the entire cast?! You can't do that with a beloved franchise. It would never work!

*goes back to watching Star Trek: The Next Generation*

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Bioware has talked about how they plan to take the series north to nations like Tevinter, Antiva, Anderfels, Rivain, Par Vollen, etc and leave Southern Thedas alone, so you won't be seeing a lot of returning characters since we are on the other side of the continent. 

[SwobyJ]

No.

 

And I want one of the following to return as a companion in the next game: Blackwall, Iron Bull, Sera, Vivienne, Dorian.

Personally prefer Dorian due to his successful reception by players (to the point that he may be the first not just 'gay' companion in DA, but the first homosexual companion that straight male gamers have gladly romanced!), and if we go to Tevinter... yeah. But with Gaider gone, that may not be the best choice.

 

I didn't list the rest, due to their inclusion in either previous games (Varric, Cassandra), or external media (Cassandra, Cole), or because of certain 'stuff' (Solas).

I like the trend so far (DAOA-->DA2-->DAI) where one character carries over.

 

I don't agree at all with moving the timeline down significantly.

 

1)This is the DRAGON AGE. It is HALF WAY THROUGH the Dragon Age. I don't want more than a jump of a decade or so.

 

2)While there is hints that this 'age' may be ending 'sooner than it should', and therefore any of the Chantry Ages may be an obsolete way of seeing the timeline, we still should have at least one game which acts as the transition to this new larger 'age', which still may be a 'dragon age', of course. (and no longer the chantry age)

 

Basically, I think your idea is pretty ridiculous. This may be the story of Thedas foremost, but that includes the characters. Cameos once in a while (as long as they're not of the fleeting and pointless variety) is no problem, and involvement of old characters in major plotlines is also quite cool.