As the post says, I love Krem. He's an excellent representation of a trans-man and having him is something to make all trans-gamers feel more included. I'd love to see in ME4 or DA4 a trans-woman now that there's such a great trans-man character. What would be especially great would be to have a romanceable combat companion trans-character. Thanks and great work Bioware!
If writers think they can get away with mediocre writing simply by making a character a minority or supportive of minorities, they'll do it. And unfortunately, it looks like it's working.
Krem is not 'amazing' by virtue of being transgender.
If DA4 is set in Tevinter, and we do not meet Maevaris Tilani, there will be blood(magic).
I think they should include her. Of course, part of me can't help but imagine the pronoun debates. All the pronoun debates. If it got as vicious as it did for a transgender man, it will get so much more intense for a transgender woman.
So much.
I like Krem's character, and his relationship with Iron Bull is fun, but beyond that, I didn't find the character to be particularly remarkable in and of himself.
Krem was all right, but honestly, the trans-thing is far too much. Gender matters if I'm sleeping with you, but that's it.
Can someone point to the amazing dialogue that Krem had? I must have missed it.
Let's not exaggerate the merits of a character just based on what they represent. Krem had a very minor role and other than being transgender or voiced by Jennifer Hale, was otherwise fairly unremarkable.
I think they should include her. Of course, part of me can't help but imagine the pronoun debates. All the pronoun debates. If it got as vicious as it did for a transgender man, it will get so much more intense for a transgender woman.
So much.
As the post says, I love Krem. He's an excellent representation of a trans-man and having him is something to make all trans-gamers feel more included. I'd love to see in ME4 or DA4 a trans-woman now that there's such a great trans-man character. What would be especially great would be to have a romanceable combat companion trans-character. Thanks and great work Bioware!
Well I have to be honest here when I say I wasn't really that impressed with Krem myself. The way they handled that just seemed really ham handed especially when compared to how they handled Dorian. With Dorian I got a chance to know him and establish a relationship before I found out about his sexuality. With Krem it was I think the second conversation I'd had with them and all of a sudden I'm trapped in a very uncomfortable conversation with someone I barely know.
I just really think that could have been done so much better myself.
Let's be honest here: very few people would care about Krem if said character wasn't transgender.
Ha! Krem "an amazing character" - good joke!
Really? Krem is a minor character that was well-written and compliments Bull perfectly. The fact that he's a realistically portrayed character and that his gender identity isn't what defines him makes him that much better, in a medium known for using transgender people as punchlines whenever they choose to represent people outside of the mainstream. No one claims Abelas or Barris or Calpernia - who we know even less about - fans do so because of some stereotype; Krem and any other character being underrepresented shouldn't either.
EDIT: To the OP, there's an appreciation thread for Krem you could post in instead of making a new thread.
Really? Krem is a minor character that was well-written and compliments Bull perfectly.
I'd disagree with the well-written part. Krem has a very minor role overall so there isn't really enough content there for a writer to craft a complex character. And some of the content that is there is a a little problematic in that it contradicts Sten's portrayal of the Qun. I suppose that's more a problem with the Iron Bull's dialogue than Krem's, but the two are tied.
I'd disagree with the well-written part. Krem has a very minor role overall so there isn't really enough content there for a writer to craft a complex character. And some of the content that is there is a a little problematic in that it contradicts Sten's portrayal of the Qun. I suppose that's more a problem with the Iron Bull's dialogue than Krem's, but the two are tied.
You haven't followed the lore then if you think it contradicts the Qun. In the Qun, people that show an earnest interest in something are allowed to have that role as long as they prove themselves. A woman who really wants to be a warrior would be accepted if she demonstrated exceptional skill, and then would no longer be considered female, but male. Gender identity in the Qun is not more important than one's duty to it.
Wasn't Sten's entire speech in the first game about how he doesn't understand Thedas society because the merchants want to be nobles and nobles want to be warriors rather than accepting their place in life? Qun society seemed more than just about the gender roles for them.
Wasn't Sten's entire speech in the first game about how he doesn't understand Thedas society because the merchants want to be nobles and nobles want to be warriors rather than accepting their place in life? Qun society seemed more than just about the gender roles for them.
Yeah. But many of their social roles are essentially tied to a specific gender, which is where the Aqun-Athlok come into play. Sten was also a member of the Beresaad, which is part of the Antaam, or the Qun's military; they operate differently from the Ben-Hassrath.
Yeah. But many of their social roles are essentially tied to a specific gender, which is where the Aqun-Athlok come into play. Sten was also a member of the Beresaad, which is part of the Antaam, or the Qun's military; they operate differently from the Ben-Hassrath.
So in other words, if Sten wanted to become a priest, he could just switch as long as he showed the interest? Then why's he confused about merchants wanting to become nobles and nobles warriors?
Except the Qun doesn't care what any individual in it wants. The Qun is a collectivist society: sacrifice individuality to benefit the community. It used to be you are what the Qun chooses you to be, not what you choose to be. That was retconned "expanded" by Gaider, like other things about the Qun.
Yeah. But many of their social roles are essentially tied to a specific gender, which is where the Aqun-Athlok come into play. Sten was also a member of the Beresaad, which is part of the Antaam, or the Qun's military; they operate differently from the Ben-Hassrath.
That's exactly the problem. Sten is a loyal member of the Qun's military. He would know more about what and how the Qun thinks and views about soldiers than a priest who has been playing Tal-Vashoth long enough he thinks he may be becoming one would.
So in other words, if Sten wanted to become a priest, he could just switch as long as he showed the interest? Then why's he confused about merchants wanting to become nobles and nobles warriors?
This would likely happen when they were younger and being evaluated by the Tamassrans. The phenomenon we're discussing happens rarely, since many spend their entire lives being trained and learning that skill-set; most Tal-Vashoth leave the Qun because they're dissatisfied with their social status or unable to reconcile certain teachings; since most of them are military, they usually become mercs.
Can someone point to the amazing dialogue that Krem had? I must have missed it.
Let's not exaggerate the merits of a character just based on what they represent. Krem had a very minor role and other than being transgender or voiced by Jennifer Hale, was otherwise fairly unremarkable.
"I have bewbs."
Except the Qun doesn't care what any individual in it wants. The Qun is a collectivist society: sacrifice individuality to benefit the community. It used to be you are what the Qun chooses you to be, not what you choose to be. That was
retconned"expanded" by Gaider, like other things about the Qun.
That's exactly the problem. Sten is a loyal member of the Qun's military. He would know more about what and how the Qun thinks and views about soldiers than a priest who has been playing Tal-Vashoth long enough he thinks he may be becoming one would.
The Antaam operate diifferently from the Ben-Hassrath and have their own rules. And you are what the Qun chooses you to be, but they don't randomly hand you out roles; they evaluate you once you become of age, and then your role in the Qun is assigned then. It's not a retcon so much as an aspect of their culture that contradicts what people typically think of them.
This would likely happen when they were younger and being evaluated by the Tamassrans. The phenomenon we're discussing happens rarely, since many spend their entire lives being trained and learning that skill-set; most Tal-Vashoth leave the Qun because they're dissatisfied with their social status or unable to reconcile certain teachings; since most of them are military, they usually become mercs.
So if a transgender person didn't discover themselves until later on in their lives which is sometimes the case rather than early on in their lives, and they'd been trained for a specific role, they would be stuck in their roles and that gender rather than being allowed to switch? Or would they be allowed to switch despite that usually not being the case?
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