You always say this, yet you always feel the need to stick your nose into Krem threads and bring it up.
Last time I checked, you and others always say Krem is more than Krem's transgender status right? Excuse me for not taking your bait and diving into how you and others define genders in a thread about a person's CHARACTER.
You don't refer to women as she and men as he, though. You refer to people with vaginas as she and people with penises as he. That's the difference.
Perhaps that is the narrow definition you apply. Many folks actually put some thought into their interactions with others and think beyond minor physical traits. It will never cease to amaze me how very much value some put on the organ that appears between one's legs and how little value they place upon the one that appears between one's ears.
Silly, really.
You don't refer to women as she and men as he, though. You refer to people with vaginas as she and people with penises as he. That's the difference.
Last time I checked, you and others always say Krem is more than Krem's transgender status right? Excuse me for not taking your bait and diving into how you and others define genders in a thread about a person's CHARACTER.
I say no such thing. I'm not a Krem fanboy. I think he's a minor character who fulfills his purpose in the story well and that's about it. I've never called him amazing or brilliant, just like I've never called other minor characters like Harding or Abelas those things either.
Perhaps that is the narrow definition you apply. Many folks actually put some thought into their interactions with others and think beyond minor physical traits. It will never cease to amaze me how very much value some put on the organ that appears between one's legs and how little value they place upon the one that appears between one's ears.
Silly, really.
... I agree. That's what I was saying. The use of second person in that post was specifically regarding Killabee
I say no such thing. I'm not a Krem fanboy. I think he's a minor character who fulfills his purpose in the story well and that's about it. I've never called him amazing or brilliant, just like I've never called other minor characters like Harding or Abelas those things either.
Well regardless, I'm not making this about how you and others choose to define gender by social constructs rather than biology. And if I did, it'd be you who brought it up, not me.
... I agree. That's what I was saying. The use of second person in that post was specifically regarding Killabee
For no reason at all, I might add since I wasn't even bringing that up. I don't care how one defines gender, She and He still have their place in our language in my opinion.
And now we are back to the "pronoun game" and misgendering transgender character. How surprising.
Calling Krem an amazing character takes it a bit far. What is actually amazing is the bravery and leadership BioWare has shown in including such a character.
That's not to say he wasn't written and acted well. In fact, I didn't even pick up on it. I liked him right away and ran through all his dialogue because of that, but during the reveal scene with Bull and the rest of the Chargers I was... strangely disappointed in myself for being... I guess not as attuned as I thought I was, despite being a member of the community and having some exposure. That's how well the character was done. The game is richer for it, and BioWare continues to be a leader in the field.
Pardon my ignorance, but isn't Krem the first trans male character in Bioware games? (I don't know since I only play a few of Bioware games) If so it might be that Bioware attempted to wade into uncharted water. While Krem is not that impressive as a character, I commend Bioware for attempting to be more inclusive.
Maybe we should move all future Krem topics to tumblr. Then all these rants without merit would be more appropriate. No one cares about the gender of a bunch of triangles. Krem doesn't even represent anything of value for trans people. "Tevinter bad, Qun good' the Character.
A lot of trans people, including myself, a Two Spirit, would disagree with that claim. We all interpret characters differently.
Bioware doesn't want us playing the pronoun game.
Pardon my ignorance, but isn't Krem the first trans male character in Bioware games?
Yes he is.
Bioware doesn't want us playing the pronoun game.
Yes he is.
Unfortunately, that's almost always what Krem threads boil down to. I'm glad there's an appreciation thread where this chaos can be avoided.
You sure do. Especially when extreme bias is involved. And I meant we, as in everyone who just plays video games without an agenda being involved, don't care if Krem is trans or not. That is why we see him, her, it whatever you want to call it, as it is. Boring and overrated. Just like most minor characters. That's just my cis brain talking though. Obviously an invalid opinion from such a position of privilege.A lot of trans people, including myself, a Two Spirit, would disagree with that claim. We all interpret characters differently.
Bullsh*t. You're confusing the question of whether gender matters, or should matter - not very much if you ask me, outside of sex and procreation - with the question of what gender is. I don't care whether one acts according to gender norms or not, what outfits they wear and which gender those are usually associated with. As long as I'm not looking for a relationship, I don't even care much about gender itself. Doesn't matter. Live and let live. However, in descriptive terms, "man" and "woman" still have a meaning.Perhaps that is the narrow definition you apply. Many folks actually put some thought into their interactions with others and think beyond minor physical traits. It will never cease to amaze me how very much value some put on the organ that appears between one's legs and how little value they place upon the one that appears between one's ears.
Silly, really.
And now we are back to the "pronoun game" and misgendering transgender character. How surprising.
Pardon my ignorance, but isn't Krem the first trans male character in Bioware games? (I don't know since I only play a few of Bioware games) If so it might be that Bioware attempted to wade into uncharted water. While Krem is not that impressive as a character, I commend Bioware for attempting to be more inclusive.
Probably. I haven't played all of their games, just Mass Effect and recently Dragon Age. The rest? Barely a passing glance.
So, I'm not sure if you quoted me to agree or disagree. It sounds like we agree, but perhaps I am mistaken.
As far as 'new territory' - I think it's just a natural evolution. They've done bi and gay and the world didn't collapse, sales didn't diminish, and the fanbase is as rabid as ever. So, I guess they thought 'why not'? I don't think it even has to be anything more than that, really.
You sure do. Especially when extreme bias is involved. And I meant we, as in everyone who just plays video games without an agenda being involved, don't care if Krem is trans or not. That is why we see him, her, it whatever you want to call it, as it is. Boring and overrated. Just like most minor characters. That's just my cis brain talking though. Obviously an invalid opinion from such a position of privilege.
Now we're throwing out strawmen. Did I invalidate your opinion, or even make claims attacking your character? No. As has already been said, one doesn't have to even discuss Krem's identity with him to have a conversation or learn about his history and how he met Bull.
As usual unfortunately, claims of an agenda pop up.
EDIT: And I distinctly remember saying we all interpret characters differently. I'd imagine that would include yours. Krem's not even my fav minor character, by the way. Gatt is.
And I care?Again that's your opinion on what is intresting. All people might not share it. Even if Krem wasn't trans and had trouble with Tevinter cause of another reason, I'd still be intrested about him, since I think he's cool guy and I like his interaction with Bull.
Hey everyone. One, we are not playing the pronoun game. Two, the discussion is becoming hostile. Please keep it civil and on topic. Thank you.
Bullsh*t. You're confusing the question of whether gender matters, or should matter - not very much if you ask me, outside of sex and procreation - with the question of what gender is. I don't care whether one acts according to gender norms or not, what outfits they wear and which gender those are usually associated with. As long as I'm not looking for a relationship, I don't even care much about gender itself. Doesn't matter. Live and let live. However, in descriptive terms, "man" and "woman" still have a meaning.
If I see a person acting according to male cultural norms and know she's a biological female, I'm not seeing a man. I'm seeing a woman acting according to the opposite gender's norms. Nothing wrong with that. It's her right to act as she wants, and I'll help her kick anyone in the face who says otherwise. But referring to her as a man is wrong. Words do matter. If I don't know her gender because she hides it so well, then I may refer to her as a man, but I'd be mistaken. Again, I don't mind not knowing as a rule, but my reference would be wrong.
It sounds to me like you might not know quite what you are seeing, and it makes you incredibly uncomfortable to not be able to drill people down to p or v.
I am more than my reproductive organs. All of us are, but I respect that you feel very strongly about this. When I was a lot younger, I had a lot of rigid beliefs as well, many of them drilled people down in very demeaning ways. As I got older and learned more, I gradually stopped being so... close-minded about everything.
Everyone evolves at their own pace, but make no mistake... everyone evolves. In the meantime, realize that you are unlikely to convince those who have already moved on from such limiting definitions.
Nor was I talking about you. Unless you were ranting for no reason, which was happening, then I wasn't talking about you. The fact the that you find a trans character fine just for being trans is another matter. And obviously everyone has different opinions. That does not need to be stated anymore than saying anyone who posts here must know how to read. That doesn't really matter to the point.Now we're throwing out strawmen. Did I invalidate your opinion, or even make claims attacking your character? No.
Obviously an invalid opinion from such a position of privilege.
Check yourself before you Shrek yourself.
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Two souls(male and female) in one body from what I remember
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