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#576
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What's gender, what does it feel like to you?

 

Honest question and seeking real understanding.

Depends on what you're going by. Biologically, it's completely physical. The issue here is people are going by social construction, and not everyone goes by that. Me for one. Because if I accepted this social construction, I'd also have to accept others, like "race" as being anything more than culture and what we make it based off of human variation.



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Depends on what you're going by. Biologically, it's completely physical. The issue here is people are going by social construction, and not everyone goes by that. Me for one. Because if I accepted this social construction, I'd also have to accept others, like "race" as being anything more than culture and what we make it based off of human variation.

Not entirely. From what we can tell, the best answer for what causes transsexuality is that the brain in utero decides what gender it'll be before the other parts develop, and on rare occasions, there's a mismatch.



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Not entirely. From what we can tell, the best answer for what causes transsexuality is that the brain in utero decides what gender it'll be before the other parts develop, and on rare occasions, there's a mismatch.

If that's the case, and I don't really disagree, it would make it a disorder. And since society, ours anyway, is choosing to go with what the person with the disorder, or whatever you want to call it, chooses to be identified as, it's still a social construct because physically they're still men or women.

 

Not saying it's wrong to do this, just stating the discrepancy.


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#579
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If that's the case, and I don't really disagree, it would make it a disorder. And since society, ours anyway, is choosing to go with what the person with the disorder, or whatever you want to call it, chooses to be identified as, it's still a social construct because physically they're still men or women.

 

Not saying it's wrong to do this, just stating the discrepancy.

It's a physical disorder, one where you grew the wrong parts.



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I like Krem because Krem has an awesome personality. 

Gender-role or whatever meaningless to me and doesent matter at all. 



#581
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It's a physical disorder, one where you grew the wrong parts.

Uhuh, call it whatever you like. The point stands.


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#582
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Uhuh, call it whatever you like. The point stands.

No it doesn't. Trying to declare gender in this case just based on outward physical parts pre-transition is just you being incorrect.



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At this point, this debate just sounds like,

 

Is not, because science.

 

Is so, because your science is wrong. 

 

Is not. 

 

Is so. 

 

Is not.

 

Is so. 

 

And on, and on, and on. 

 

But not once have I ever encountered a discussion of the real Krem question. 

 

Just why were the squirrels the worst part?


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But not once have I ever encountered a discussion of the real Krem question. 

 

Just why were the squirrels the worst part?

 

Indeed. This intrigues me.


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#585
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At this point, this debate just sounds like,

 

Is not, because science.

 

Is so, because your science is wrong. 

 

Is not. 

 

Is so. 

 

Is not.

 

Is so. 

 

And on, and on, and on. 

 

But not once have I ever encountered a discussion of the real Krem question. 

 

Just why were the squirrels the worst part?

My guess: nuts.


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#586
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Indeed. This intrigues me.

 

Right? 

 

Was it because they were so scared and attacking out of panic? Or were they possessed too?

 

Oh my god, are there possessed demon squirrels roaming the forests?

 

Because that's the demon army I'd like to command. 



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My guess: nuts.

 

You just said something funny.

 

Everyone! Xilizhra just said something funny! 

 

Today is officially a really good day. 



#588
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No it doesn't. Trying to declare gender in this case just based on outward physical parts pre-transition is just you being incorrect.

No, it isn't because I'm going by biology, which is very specific in its definition, which is those belonging to the sex that inseminates and those that belong to the sex that produce eggs to be inseminated. (This doesn't mean if they're infertle, they're not male, or female btw). The definition by biology is clear.

 

You're going outside that which is a social construction based on how people choose to identify those who identify outside of what they are physically. Which is fine, but know the difference.


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#589
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No, it isn't because I'm going by biology, which is very specific in its definition, which is those belonging to the sex that inseminates and those that belong to the sex that produce eggs to be inseminated. (This doesn't mean if they're infertle, they're not male, or female btw). The definition by biology is clear.

 

You're going outside that which is a social construction based on how people choose to identify those who identify outside of what they are physically. Which is fine, but know the difference.

Brains are biological too.



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Brains are biological too.

So is my arm. Unfortunately for you, it's not what defines male and female by definition.


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#591
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So is my arm. Unfortunately for you, it's not what defines male and female by definition.

Expressions of gender identity are generally cultural, but gender identity itself is inherent.



#592
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Expressions of gender identity are generally cultural, but gender identity itself is inherent.

Whatever chick, you go believing what you want. I've said my piece already on it.



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Whatever chick, you go believing what you want. I've said my piece already on it.

I'm fine with it provided you don't go around being ignorantly rude to other people.



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I'm fine with it provided you don't go around being ignorantly rude to other people.

I haven't been rude yet, unless you call not rolling over and accepting what you say to be rude. In which case, too dang bad.


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#595
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I haven't been rude yet, unless you call not rolling over and accepting what you say to be rude. In which case, too dang bad.

Basically, don't misgender people in conversation.



#596
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Basically, don't misgender people in conversation.

I haven't yet, though if I choose to, that's my choice.


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killabee vs xil this got interesting

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I haven't yet, though if I choose to, that's my choice.

Everything is a choice.



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killabee vs xil this got interesting

It was over a while ago. Now she just wants the last word.


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It was over a while ago. Now she just wants the last word.

roll over in surrender works sometimes haha.