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[Hanako Ikezawa]

They decide based on what the person is skilled in and shows the most proficiency for. If that show that proficiency, they are allowed to have that role. How hard is that to understand?

Except that until that person realizes what gender they are they are being raised as the other gender. For example if Krem was born a Qunari he wouldn't be proficient as a warrior because he wasn't raised with that possibility in mind. Even before having their career chosen for them they would be raised and tested to see which ones would be the more likely options. Unless the Tamassrans choose roles randomly which isn't a smart thing to do, especially when selecting your military.

[Colonelkillabee]

My Money is on Rekkampum, but knowing killabee... He will win this somehow. Always does.

I'm not into trying to win anything, the people who want to believe it isn't bs to cover the fact that Bioware is getting soft(er) will continue to believe it despite what is shown.

 

I am not at all surprised that people can't simply admit that Bioware made a change against their lore to be more accommodating and that they are fine with this because they got what they wanted. This is BSN after all.

[Rekkampum]

Except that until that person realizes what gender they are they are being raised as the other gender. For example if Krem was born a Qunari he wouldn't be proficient as a warrior because he wasn't raised with that possibility in mind. Even before having their career chosen for them they would be raised and tested to see which ones would be the more likely options. Unless the Tamassrans choose roles randomly which isn't a smart thing to do, especially when selecting your military.

 

They're one of the most advanced technologically, so I imagine that there's a pretty refined system involved in how the Tamassrans evaluate Qunari. But you raise a good point.

[Xilizhra]

I wouldn't care about Krem normally, but it's good that Bioware was able to test the waters with him. I also enjoy seeing all the people who seem to be annoyed by his existence. He serves his purpose, but I admit to being more interested in Maevaris.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

 

Remember everything Sten said about sex and gender in DA:O? F dat ****, we got Aqun Athlok now (when? how? why?)

 

Also, women in Tevinter can only serve in certain ranks and disciplines in the military (when? how? why?)

I seriously think they are trying to make the Qunari look more friendly so more people will like them when we head north. That's why they turned the Qun from being things like "strict gender roles, sex for procreation only, etc" to "they are inclusive, sex whenever they want, etc". 

 

 

They're one of the most advanced technologically, so I imagine that there's a pretty refined system involved in how the Tamassrans evaluate Qunari. But you raise a good point.

Technology wouldn't help much, or at least not until they can read and/or manipulate the genome to see who would be good at what which is centuries ahead of them.

[Rekkampum]

I wouldn't care about Krem normally, but it's good that Bioware was able to test the waters with him. I also enjoy seeing all the people who seem to be annoyed by his existence. He serves his purpose, but I admit to being more interested in Maevaris.

 

There was a blog Weekes wrote on the amount of research they did when they conceived of Krem.

[Colonelkillabee]

I wouldn't care about Krem normally, but it's good that Bioware was able to test the waters with him. I also enjoy seeing all the people who seem to be annoyed by his existence. He serves his purpose, but I admit to being more interested in Maevaris.

I don't see anyone annoyed by Krem's presence. The only thing annoying is how dishonest people are about it all.

 

If anything the majority of people are indifferent, including myself. Wouldn't have given a thought to Krem if it weren't for these boards. It's like playing Mass Effect and finding out the two guard soldiers for the war room have a huge fanbase.

[BartDude52]

@Rekkampum: I wouldn't have even known that Krem was transgender in the first place if it hadn't brought up for absolutely no reason. That made it obvious to me that that's all the character was about and why they were even included in the first place.  

[Xilizhra]

@Rekkampum: I wouldn't have even known that Krem was transgender in the first place if it hadn't brought up for absolutely no reason. That made it obvious to me that that's all the character was about and why they were even included in the first place.  

Trust me, it's reason enough to want to have people refer to them as their own gender.

[BioWareM0d13]

 

 

I seriously think they are trying to make the Qunari look more friendly so more people will like them when we head north. That's why they turned the Qun from being things like "strict gender roles, sex for procreation only, etc" to "they are inclusive, sex whenever they want, etc". 

 

 

I'd rather they had stayed consistent with the lore.

 

The sad part is the inclusion of Krem didn't even require a more softer and fuzzy portrayal of the Qun. It might have even been more interesting to have the Iron Bull's acceptance of Krem be at odds with a strict interpretation of Qunari doctrine, and another example of the tug of war between his devotion to the Qun and the Tal Vashoth identity he adopted that was becoming more than just a cover.

[Colonelkillabee]

@Rekkampum: I wouldn't have even known that Krem was transgender in the first place if it hadn't brought up for absolutely no reason. That made it obvious to me that that's all the character was about and why they were even included in the first place.  

 

I wouldn't necessarily say it was all they were about. I'm sure it was a big talking point for them because of the obvious new waters it would test, but realistically, people would probably claim this no matter how it was brought up simply because it's new, and because it was brought up so poorly, and felt shoehorned due to what Sten has told us.

 

Which for me is bad writing. But really, it only comes up initially if you take the dialogue choice. Besides that stuff about the dress later.

[Rekkampum]

@Rekkampum: I wouldn't have even known that Krem was transgender in the first place if it hadn't brought up for absolutely no reason. That made it obvious to me that that's all the character was about and why they were even included in the first place.  

 

If that was all Krem was about, a lot of people would have their pitchforks out. I think there's a delicate balance to it, because ignoring it altogether erases part of his identity, and focusing on it too much turns him into a cliched stereotype. I think that allowing that conversation to be optional is the best way to handle it, since those who aren't interested can avoid that discussion entirely, which I think goes against your argument.

[General TSAR]

Who's Krem again?

[Xilizhra]

I'd rather they had stayed consistent with the lore.

 

The sad part is the inclusion of Krem didn't even require a more softer and fuzzy portrayal of the Qun. It might have even been more interesting to have the Iron Bull's acceptance of Krem be at odds with a strict interpretation of Qunari doctrine, and another example of the tug of war between his devotion to the Qun and the Tal Vashoth identity he adopted that was becoming more than just a cover.

Isn't Iron Bull a liar anyway?

[Rekkampum]

 

 

 

Technology wouldn't help much, or at least not until they can read and/or manipulate the genome to see who would be good at what which is centuries ahead of them.

 

 

In order to have that kind of proficiency you need to be skilled in a variety of fields. Also, since the Tamassrans basically breed Qunari like we would a dog or other animal to refine their traits, I think they probably have a leg up in that dep't scientifically speaking.

[Rekkampum]

I suspect so.

 

Although not sure if it's actually said.

 

He calls himself a "Keeper of Illusions". Gatt lays it straight though.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I'd rather they had stayed consistent with the lore.

 

The sad part is the inclusion of Krem didn't even require a more softer and fuzzy portrayal of the Qun. It might have even been more interesting to have the Iron Bull's acceptance of Krem be at odds with a strict interpretation of Qunari doctrine, and another example of the tug of war between his devotion to the Qun and the Tal Vashoth identity he adopted that was becoming more than just a cover.

I would have loved that. And him thinking the Qun does such things is an example of his old life and new life blurring together in his memories.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

In order to have that kind of proficiency you need to be skilled in a variety of fields. Also, since the Tamassrans basically breed Qunari like we would a dog or other animal to refine their traits, I think they probably have a leg up in that dep't scientifically speaking.

They don't selectively breed anymore. The writers retconned that to having one of the roles of the Tamassrans be being sluts to be used whenever a Qunari wants to have sex. 

[Xilizhra]

They don't selectively breed anymore. The writers retconned that to having one of the roles of the Tamassrans be sluts. 

A. Why can't it be both?

B. I request that you cool it with ****-shaming.

[Rekkampum]

If they bred them like dogs, they need to get rid of the horns. They serve no evolutionary purpose on a humanoid.

 

They like the horns because dragons, and then there's that conspiracy about the Tamassrans possibly mixing in some dragon somewhere. I think it's interesting that they consider being hornless scarier than having horns.

 

Speaking of horns, I accidentally bumped into something with my horns and it made a weird "bonk" sound.

[Colonelkillabee]

If they bred them like dogs, they need to get rid of the horns. They serve no evolutionary purpose on a humanoid.

Perhaps it served as a Jewish Star. To separate the slaves from their masters more easily, so they keep them. To remind everyone they're beasts.

 

edit: Speaking from the mindset of people breeding, btw.

Modifié par Colonelkillabee, 05 mars 2015 - 02:58 .

[Hanako Ikezawa]

A. Why can't it be both?

B. I request that you cool it with ****-shaming.

A. Because as The Iron Bull describes it you can literally walk in, do the deed, walk out in ten minutes. There is no checking to see which traits may become of any potential offspring before the sex occurs. 

B. I'm not shaming, just stating what Bioware did. That is a role of the Tamassrans now. Have sex with anyone with an urge to relieve them of said urge.