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[Caddius]

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The latest patch has fixed the final 'Those Across the Sea' mission, and given us this.

I can easily picture the Writers' Pit being disappointed that no one was up in arms over this, only to realize that we were complaining about not being able to do the third mission. 

 

Current guesses as to the identities of the Executors, taken from the Solas and Elven Pantheon Threads:

 

1) The kossith.

2) A surviving elven state.

3) Something entirely unexpected.

 

The pyramids in Par Vollen depicting horned beings being in places of esteem, Corypheus and Kieran's comments about Qunquisitors, and their presence in the mosaics well before their arrival in the Qunari invasion point to the kossith having interacted with Thedas in the distant past. There's been theories that they were warrior-servants of Elgar'nan, since the kossith/Qunari apparently have rage issues, and the pyramids in Par Vollen matched the Sun/Elgar'nan's constellation.

'The Executors' would be similar to 'The Sentinels' in that they're fulfilling roles given to them by their gods. Assuming that they're connecting to the Creators, of course.

There seem to be hints of the Executors, or a threat they know of, showing up in DLC for Inquisition, rather than just in DA4 or 5 and so on.

My current theory of the minute is that the day they're waiting for is when the Creators break out of prison and need armies.

What does everyone else make of it?

[Madrarrrrr]

 

What does everyone else make of it?

 

YOU.  

 

*pounces on Caddius*

 

I WANT MY LIFE BACK.   CK2 has ruined me.

 

I dragged myself away long enough to get back to theorycrafting a bit.   Massive post on the DA Trinity and the tri-part sentient Soul incoming, as soon as I can figure out how to avoid discussing the Seraphim triad without getting into primordial history, which is still a mess.

 

As for this, all I can offer is my hunch:  first, the symbol.  In alchemy, a downward pointing triangle is the symbol for water.  The same symbol with a line passing through it is Earth.  In astrology, two wavy lines is the zodiac symbol for Aquarius.  Given all that, I read Mythal.   

 

Second, the name.  Taken at face value, "The Executors" is vague enough to be a reference to anything- simply someone responsible for following through some assigned task or duty.  This also hints at Mythal to me, but could be nothing.  In more specific legal terms, however, an executor is tasked with carrying out the will of the deceased: a plan put in place before death.  

 

Given what we think we know about her murder/sacrifice, this cements the idea of a group set in motion by Mythal long ago, their watchfulness possibly triggered by the re-emergence of red lyrium.  Interestingly, they acknowledge Corypheus as a threat, but not the one they're waiting for.   They continue to prepare for the greater to come, and their argument is apparently convincing enough to pull Cullen's troops out from under the Inquisition.  

 

My guess?  This group is prepping for the day darkspawn finally reach Elgar'nan, when all hell is going to break loose.  

 

And if Razikale and Lusakan are Mythal and Falon'Din in terms of Tevinter Old Gods (which is entirely possible) this could be sooner rather than later... because that means we're already out of Archdemons to distract them.  

 

What could they possibly plan to do about it?  I have no idea.  Can't wait to find out. 

 

WEEEEEEKES.  @w@   TELL ME WHAT YOU KNOW.

[Caddius]

YOU.  

 

*pounces on Caddius*

 

I WANT MY LIFE BACK.   CK2 has ruined me.

 

 

Did you create a new account to add the extra r's because CKII has given you anger issues?  You took a tumble in the Holy Roman Empire, didn't you?

Sorrynotsorry.

I'm curious as to whether the Inquisition soldiers joined voluntarily, or were 'encouraged'.

It's also interesting that the Executors say they 'serve powers beyond the seas'. Implying that there's something still very much active as their boss.

Mythal doesn't quite fit, for me. I would imagine that most of her power base was scattered after her murder. If whatever the Executors are waiting for hasn't happened yet, I doubt she'd be able to foresee it happening and make contingencies before the other Creators and Forgotten Ones were sealed away and Arlathan fell. 

[Madrarrrrr]

Good god, the HRE.  I have nightmares.

 

Anyway, the Executors claim the soldiers joined "of their own free will", but you make a fair point.  They'd claim that either way.  

 

I'm still a bit stuck on agents of Mythal until new data comes in, though.  Plus I just noticed the one originally sent to watch the outposts was given an Andrastean locket in case of discovery.  A symbol of devotion to The Cause that would pass unnoticed unless needed?  Convenient.  The fact that it's "powers" plural is actually kind of comforting- if they claimed to serve the Power Across the Sea, I'd start getting twitchy about the metaphorical fade-ocean and the Sun.  As is, I suspect it's something more like the relationship of Felassan's group to Falon'din/Dirthamen, but far more powerful and organized.  ...I hope.  If I'm right about any of this, the Inquisition is going to need all the help it can get.  

 

As for Mythal being prepared:  the threat of red lyrium and Elgar'nan's intended use for it would've been pretty clear, if that's (as I believe) what started the Civil War in the first place.  She knew it was coming, and probably knew her sacrifice was just a stopgap even then.

 

Also just occurred to me that's basically her domain: the Thedas multiverse, in physics terms.  Neurologically, she's the "what if" part of decision-making.  It's possible she can see potential paths, all paths, even- but it's neither her nature nor intent to decide the world's fate.  Wisdom and guidance, not direction.  Sometimes kids have to learn the hard way.  Best mom ever.   

 

*settles in to wait for DLC*

[Caddius]

Flemythal does seem to have an uncanny talent for predicting future events.

Felassan's 'clan' will probably feel like a bunch of posers, if these Executors and their masters are in charge of a continent.

The 'powers' suggests either a series of kingdoms that are united against 'the threat', or maybe even multiple god-devotees working together. All of the Creators. Or the Forgotten Ones.

DLC.

WEEKES.

[Reznore57]

The Executors could be anyone.Humans , elves , qunari , Kossith , unknown race (fex).

One of their agent had an Andraste locket , and it seems they like the Inquisition.

It seems they have knowledge about some future trouble.

 

The interesting part , IMHO , is people from Thedas (the part we know about ) have no clue about what's going on beyond their borders.But those across the sea are not in the same situation.

 

There's proof of Qunari being there in ancient time , the mosaics in DAI show a lot of Qunari slaves during the whole Golden City trip project.

Officialy , Qunari landed in Thedas 300 years ago.(We know a small team of Qunari landed in Ferelden before that , but they were killed and forgotten.They just provided Ogre for the setting) but it seems there were Qunari almost a thousand years ago in Tevinter.(there is the mosaic , and the fact that Cory knows stuff about Qunari too).

Clearly something went wrong because nobody remembers those Qunari slaves .

 

There's also the pyramyds of PAr Vollen with the figures with horns , those were worshipped.

 

Anyway at some point there were people in Thedas ,maybe other races , who just left .The tome of Koslun for example talks about the Old Gods.

[Madrarrrrr]

Flemythal does seem to have an uncanny talent for predicting future events.

Felassan's 'clan' will probably feel like a bunch of posers, if these Executors and their masters are in charge of a continent.

The 'powers' suggests either a series of kingdoms that are united against 'the threat', or maybe even multiple god-devotees working together. All of the Creators. Or the Forgotten Ones.

DLC.

WEEKES.

 

Agreed.  Pantheon mega-alliance and then some seems like a solid bet, since I think it took all hands on deck (minus Sylaise, possibly?) to mount a semi-effective opposition last time, and red lyrium / blight has spread quite a bit since then.  

 

That's why I suspect Solas' immediate DLC objective (the purpose he had for the orb, and why Mythal grants him the last of her power) is essentially a prison break: opening a path to the void to gather up the old crew from the first failed rebellion.  Seems a bit naive to assume the Forgotten Ones are going to be untainted and totally happy to see him, though.  It's possible we're going to have to work with Ghil (and Sandal-June) to get that mess straightened out, since Avvar myth hints she was the one who figured out how Andruil could use the stuff without being enslaved by it.

 

Also -and I know how crazy this sounds- but I really do believe Mythal put this particular set of events in motion (DAO, DA2, DAI) to reach out to our universe for backup, Neverending Story-style.  I think she knows Thedas can't pull this off on its own anymore, and has basically been recruiting an army of incredibly powerful guiding spirits from outside the DA universe to join the in-game coalition.   I suspect Solas is aware as well, since he has more than a few gameworld-as-fade, computer screen-as-eluvian moments in his own dialogue.  And that is awesome.

 

*highfives Weekes*  

 

There's proof of Qunari being there in ancient time , the mosaics in DAI show a lot of Qunari slaves during the whole Golden City trip project.

 

I'm not sure you should take Gatsi at his word that the mosaics have anything to do with the Magisters.  (Theory here.)  

 

Also, I think the wartable text is pretty firm on the idea that the Executors aren't a Qunari force, because the writers know most players would assume a connection to the Ben-Hassrath otherwise.  "Not Qunari" gets repeated more than once, and I'm willing to take them at their word.  I'd bet good money that the kossith are one of the powers, and the Qunari may even have a few agents, but there's pretty decent evidence it's not Qunari-led.  

[thats1evildude]

My theory? It's the colonists who attempted to settle the land of Amaranth. They never disappeared; they just cut off contact with the mainland and spread word that the land across the Eastern Sea was inhospitable.

 

Their faith has since developed in very strange ways, sort of like how the Disciples of Andraste became a bunch of lizard-worshippers after centuries of inbreeding.

[Treacherous J Slither]

Um, why do people believe Flemythal is dead?

She'll just have one of her followers resurrect her like in DA2. Always have multiple save files lol.