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[Br3admax]

More ruthless than evil. And we were never a "villain" no matter how hard we tried in Origins. The fact that people continued to revere us was also jaring. It's not like we commanded respect. It was just given regardless of our actions. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

More ruthless than evil. And we were never a "villain" no matter how hard we tried in Origins. The fact that people continued to revere us was also jaring. It's not like we commanded respect. It was just given regardless of our actions. 

Yes we could i think you have mistaken villain with antagonist.

[taylortexas]

This could have been a neat bonus for female human Inquisitors (like how noble Wardens could become prince escort/queen in Origins) but anyone else seems a bit far fetched. It reminds me of something out of Skyrim; how your character could enter an organization at the bottom of the pyramid and after a couple of quests be the supreme ruler of everything. 

[leaguer of one]

This could have been a neat bonus for female human Inquisitors (like how noble Wardens could become prince escort/queen in Origins) but anyone else seems a bit far fetched. It reminds me of something out of Skyrim; how your character could enter an organization at the bottom of the pyramid and after a couple of quests be the supreme ruler of everything. 

How? Who could stop us?  We can have orlias under our thumb, the wardens under our control, the templer or mages at our beck and call. and the chantry is a mess. 

[leaguer of one]

Origins allows for a variety of "evil" protagonists. Inquisition demands that they toe the line.

 

The Envy Demon's version of the Inquisitor with a few tweaks should have been an option.

Not really. The only veriaty of evil DAI does not have is crazy murder evil. Origin just give us more opportunities to be a monster. That's it.

[Dermain]

Not really. The only veriaty of evil DAI does not have is crazy murder evil. Origin just give us more opportunities to be a monster. That's it.

 

Yes, and that's how most people see evil.

[leaguer of one]

Yes, and that's how most people see evil.

Evil is nothing. Horrible acts done in the name of hubris...Now that's a mind screw.

[EmissaryofLies]

Not really. The only veriaty of evil DAI does not have is crazy murder evil. Origin just give us more opportunities to be a monster. That's it.

 

Could not disagree more. DAI has morally ambiguous and a hint of evil at its best as I see it.

 

Origins does not limit me so. Characters can be a wide variety of anything; the least being "a monster".

 

I want to like Inquisition; I honestly do. But I will not become accustomed to an alien protagonist, especially if I dare compare her to Hawke or the Warden.

[TevinterSupremacist]

Ah , alas a male mage inquisitor who would reach an olive branch and forge a bond of brotherhood with the black divine would have been a very amusing choice for divine...oh well, leliana is tolerable too, I guess.

[leaguer of one]

Could not disagree more. DAI has morally ambiguous and a hint of evil at its best as I see it.

 

Origins does not limit me so. Characters can be a wide variety of anything; the least being "a monster".

 

I want to like Inquisition; I honestly do. But I will not become accustomed to an alien protagonist, especially if I dare compare her to Hawke or the Warden.

The only time your evil in origins is if you're manipulatively evil or crazy evil... That's it. You can be the manipulatively evil in dai but not crazy evil.

[vertigomez]

So, is the Black Divine still considered the bride of the Maker, ooor..?

[Sarielle]

Still should have been an option for female human Inquisitors. Even carrying with the idea that it would be very easy for noble Trevs but a lot more difficult for mage Trevs, the different leverage is a good idea to make the choice plausible.

 

Sure everyone not playing female Trevs would cry rivers about it and be all sour grapes forever, but it would make all the story sense in the world for a very faithful Inquisitor to become head of the Chantry if the stars aligned right, and in Trev's case, they absolutely did.

 

Yeah, it felt weird that this wasn't an option. Maybe they felt like they were giving more to human nobles again but ... that's part of what being nobility meant. Ya had perks

[EmissaryofLies]

The only time your evil in origins is if you're manipulatively evil or crazy evil... That's it. You can be the manipulatively evil in dai but not crazy evil.

 

Glad that you agree that you are limited in one game and not in the other.

 

We do not see eye to eye on the idea/perception of "crazy", but good progress nonetheless.

[Andres Hendrix]

 

 

"Another one of those moments that never saw the light of day, but made for some interesting and heated discussion internally. We thought it would be interesting if you gained enough power you could name yourself Divine. It would be twice as hard to do if you played as a male, and for the hardcore player it would twice as hard again to do it as a male Qunari. An effectively game and lore breaking act of heresy. Not even a little bit surprised we backed away from this one. "

          - Matt Rhodes

 

http://mattrhodesart...retic-500633070

 

 That a big wow that got cut.

 

My Adaar would of just said thanks but no thanks.

Lol, Leliana realy gets her emotions fucked with in those artworks. XD

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

Hardly if inq wanted i don't see what would stop him/her from taking over the chantry without clerics approval templars already proved that chantry is toothless.

You don't just move in and take over a church. That would be like Vladimir Putin moving in and declaring himself Pope. The faithful wouldn't stand for it.

[leaguer of one]

Glad that you agree that you are limited in one game and not in the other.

 

We do not see eye to eye on the idea/perception of "crazy", but good progress nonetheless.

Seriously, we can be so horrible in dai we can chase a spirit of compassion away...That's something.

I just do see that not being able to be a murder knifing psycho means dai roleplaying is limited or less dark.

[leaguer of one]

You don't just move in and take over a church. That would be like Vladimir Putin moving in and declaring himself Pope. The faithful wouldn't stand for it.

The faithful that sees you as the herald of Andraste and worship you even when you tell the not to will not stand for it? 

Please, they would see you becoming divine as a sign form the maker.

[fhs33721]

The faithful that sees you as the herald of Andraste and worship you even when you tell the not to will not stand for it? 

Please, they would see you becoming divine as a sign form the maker.

You did get that the divine is actually voted somehow by the clergy? Since nobody votes for you, your only option would be to kill everyone and declare yourself divine, which would probably create some bad publicity. And let's see how long the reverence for the Herald of Andraste actually last after the threat of Corypheus is dealt with. Humans are very quick to forget heroic deeds but less so about perceived evil deeds, meaning you'd soon be the guy who killed all the priestess and declared himself divine. Time to get the pitchforks. Or everyone will just leave your chantry and they'll make their own. With balckjack and hookers, and a traditional female human divine.

[TheKomandorShepard]

You don't just move in and take over a church. That would be like Vladimir Putin moving in and declaring himself Pope. The faithful wouldn't stand for it.

At the end of inquisition people love you especially if you were helping people not mention pretty much they see you as religious figure i hardly doubt they would just hate him because he took control over the chantry upseting cleris that didn't do crap for them. 

 

 

 

You did get that the divine is actually voted somehow by the clergy? Since nobody votes for you, your only option would be to kill everyone and declare yourself divine, which would probably create some bad publicity. And let's see how long the reverence for the Herald of Andraste actually last after the threat of Corypheus is dealt with. Humans are very quick to forget heroic deeds but less so about perceived evil deeds, meaning you'd soon be the guy who killed all the priestess and declared himself divine. Time to get the pitchforks. Or everyone will just leave your chantry and they'll make their own. With balckjack and hookers, and a traditional female human divine.

 

You wouldn't even need to have to kill anyone at least openly you have army chantry not and folks support is on your side.

 

 

[Eliastion]

You don't just move in and take over a church. That would be like Vladimir Putin moving in and declaring himself Pope. The faithful wouldn't stand for it.

Well. Things like these indeed did happen  

Here we can find a table of "antipopes", defined as pope-contestants making a claim for the papal throne with reasonably big support. There's 41 of them. Some did, in fact, support their claim in part with military...

Inquisitor is seen pretty much as a living saint. He could go and declare himself the Divine. Some clerics (out of conviction or intimidated to do it) would likely support him, others would rebel and likely elect their own Divine - a woman likely unrecognizable to most people, especially compared to Quizzy (as we know all obvious candidates died in Cory's explosion). I don't say everyone would be just ok with "unsuitable" Quizzy declaring herself, or even himself, a Divine, but depending on how strong Inquistion was at the time and how unsuitable the candidate, her/his position would likely be stronger than that of Divine elected by dissenting clerics.

 

It would be ugly, but it just could work, in the short run at least.

[veeia]

If becoming Divine was just a ruthless power grab act that you did and it was largely considered a "bad" thing, I'd be all for it. The inquisitor has ridiculous scary power and influence and the game only lets it be a good thing. I'd love to be able to go "too far."

Would not be down with some female Trev only "true and good Divine", that carries the unquestioned power of the Quizzie even further and meh.

(If it was a ruthless dark thing that was female Trev only I'd be sad, because then only that combo would get that, but it'd still be cool)

[KaiserShep]

You did get that the divine is actually voted somehow by the clergy? Since nobody votes for you, your only option would be to kill everyone and declare yourself divine, which would probably create some bad publicity. And let's see how long the reverence for the Herald of Andraste actually last after the threat of Corypheus is dealt with. Humans are very quick to forget heroic deeds but less so about perceived evil deeds, meaning you'd soon be the guy who killed all the priestess and declared himself divine. Time to get the pitchforks. Or everyone will just leave your chantry and they'll make their own. With balckjack and hookers, and a traditional female human divine.

Sort of like when Homer became the chosen one in the Stonecutters, and then they created their own club, the No Homers.

[durengo]

The only time your evil in origins is if you're manipulatively evil or crazy evil... That's it. You can be the manipulatively evil in dai but not crazy evil.

all your evil acts in both games are only minor one acts  they just affect a little amount of people and not the whole world.

but at the end of both games the whole world celebrates you as a hero.because of dai its the fact that you safed the world and the world is thankfull .

 

for the most people you act more like a hero and less than a villain..thats why all evil acts and decisions are soon forgotten.

 

we have to keep also in mind that if you act evil to some people (a) .. other ones  can have a different point of view and call your action as the act of the true hero because they fear or hate the people (a) for some reasons.

 

if you kill innocents and no one care about that .. who will blame you for that ? who will judge you ? the dead ones ?

 

in both games you can be only a small criminal and that only for a limited time.... because at the end no one term you as criminal .

 

 

but you can't be the emperor of a dark evil empire...like sauron..or palpatine the sith.

you can't make a world war.. you can't conquer thedas.

you cant be a evil dictator.no one shiver in fear if he see you.

[Elfyoth]

Lol, Leliana realy gets her emotions fucked with in those artworks. XD

In this one I find it normal,  tho in the one MAJOR SPOILER-

Spoiler

Celene dies

LOL