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[Elfyoth]

Am I the only person that that only cares that we could have MAJOR SPOILER-

Spoiler

Have Cory's head os a pike?

 

[TheKomandorShepard]

chop

How people see you doesn't matter you could play as villain protagonist in dao and that you get away free with your dic**** is completely another matter. 

[durengo]

How people see you doesn't matter you could play as villain protagonist in dao and that you get away free with your dic**** is completely another matter. 

it should matter for your reputation in thedas.otherwise it would be like a new star wars movie...where the evil can do anything ...

as example: kill the innocents

but no one cares about  ...and at the end of the movie they all celebrate the evil as hero and saint only because he makes one mistake and that's saved one life.

 

about that he killed thousand innocent before? who cares!

 

sounds like a boring and silly movie ? i think  'yes'

[Kantr]

On his tumblr Matt Rhodes goes on to talk about how they werent able to implement into the game in a way that made sense.

 

Also, I wonder if next month this topic will pop up again

[KaiserShep]

How people see you doesn't matter you could play as villain protagonist in dao and that you get away free with your dic**** is completely another matter. 

 

Yeah, because in DA:O, everyone is a super passive sycophant thanks to some of the gameplay elements. Make Wynne a bloodmage? Why not? Do whatever you please, and bribe everyone to keep them friendly. Apparently, a fat lute can make even the evilest Warden look like a saint to Leliana.

[ThreeF]

Yeah, because in DA:O, everyone is a super passive sycophant thanks to some of the gameplay elements. Make Wynne a bloodmage? Why not? Do whatever you please, and bribe everyone to keep them friendly. Apparently, a fat lute can make even the evilest Warden look like a saint to Leliana.

The only explanation is pheromones, lots and lots of them!

[Herr Uhl]

Uh, nothing got cut. They entertained an idea, which happens all the time early in development.

 

Hell, they have concept art of (Ulrich von) Hawke being a cannibalistic werewolf. That is where they got the blood smear from.

[durengo]

How people see you doesn't matter you could play as villain protagonist in dao and that you get away free with your dic**** is completely another matter. 

if you act evil without permanent consequences .....without that the world interact with you like it should then it doesn't matter.

you can act evil .. but instead that the people shiver in fear because of you and try to hide if they see you.. they just act like nothing bad happens.they laugh in your face .. salute to you friendly even if you killed there children.

to make the situation more worse and silly they nominate you to a saint and a hero.

 

how does it feel if you play as  a villain without to get the reputation of a evil one ?

 

sure you can sit alone all time into your evil hideout or hidden cave and say to yourself that you be evil but if no one else think the same way ..no matter how evil you act.... then who cares what do you think about yourself ? if you make one step out of the hideout then you see that the whole world celebrate you as saint.

 

this is a tragic comedy.

[TheKomandorShepard]

it should matter for your reputation in thedas.otherwise it would be like a new star wars movie...where the evil can do anything ...

as example: kill the innocents

but no one cares about  ...and at the end of the movie they all celebrate the evil as hero and saint only because he makes one mistake and that's saved one life.

 

about that he killed thousand innocent before? who cares!

 

sounds like a boring and silly movie ? i think  'yes'

Ekhm and that

 

 

Yeah, because in DA:O, everyone is a super passive sycophant thanks to some of the gameplay elements. Make Wynne a bloodmage? Why not? Do whatever you please, and bribe everyone to keep them friendly. Apparently, a fat lute can make even the evilest Warden look like a saint to Leliana.

First what that does have anything to do with what i have said second that has nothing to do with it just with devs didn't involve specializations into plot.Second oh boy do you want to tell me that people tend to paint other people prettier than they are and fact can idealize another people?

 

 

if you act evil without permanent consequences .....without that the world interact with you like it should then it doesn't matter.

you can act evil .. but instead that the people shiver in fear because of you and try to hide if they see you.. they just act like nothing bad happens.they laugh in your face .. salute to you friendly even if you killed there children.

to make the situation more worse and silly they nominate you to a saint and a hero.

 

how does it feel if you play as  a villain without to get the reputation of a evil one ?

 

sure you can sit alone all time into your evil hideout or hidden cave and say to yourself that you be evil but if no one else think the same way .. then who cares what do you think about yourself ? if you make one step out of the hideout then you see that the whole world celebrate you as saint.

 

this is a tragic comedy.

There are consequences at least until sequel you just get away free with that because in first place very little people know what you did , second you can use i did what i had to do with grey warden immunity and you saved country so they think you are great hero.

 

 

Pretty good i don't need to play villian that goes on the street and screams "im villain and i eat your puppies" if i do that and can get away with that im fine.

[durengo]

Ekhm and that

 

 

 

There are consequences at least until sequel you just get away free with that because in first place very little people know what you did , second you can use i did what i had to do with grey warden immunity and you saved country so they think you are great hero.

 

 

Pretty good i don't need to play villian that goes on the street and screams "im villain and i eat your puppies" if i do that and can get away with that im fine.

to ekhm and that:

 

its different if you be a villain with a good publicity for a limited time....senator palpatine had also good publicity into the old republic.but at some point he showed his true evil face to the world ......to spread fear was his plan to be able to control the whole universe....and the world recognized that he fooled all .. all the time.all was  a big intrigue and senator palpatine got his reputation to be the dark evil emperor palpatine.

 

he needed this reputation because he ruled with the use of  fear.

thats what a big evil  looks like.

 

lex luthor is in the eyes of a dark evil emperor only a small criminal who waste time to try to hide his little criminal activities.one of many little villain they fool around with the publicity (and that forever and not only for a limited time period) but they are not a big problem for the whole world.

 

a villain screams :"im villain and i eat your puppies"???

 

well.. if someone stay in front of this villain and see what he do.. then he should be able to recognize that there is a villain in front of him who eat puppies instead to act as nothing bad happens.and the villain mustn't scream that he is a villain who eat puppies if all can see that.

but instead they open the eyes it looks like that they close them and act the same like nothing happens.

[TheKomandorShepard]

to ekhm and that:

 

its different if you be a villain with a good publicity for a limited time....senator palpatine had also good publicity into the old republic.but at some point he showed his true evil face to the world ......to spread fear was his plan to be able to control the whole universe....and the world recognized that he fooled all .. all the time.all was  a big intrigue and senator palpatine got his reputation to be the dark evil emperor palpatine.

 

he needed this reputation because he ruled with the use of  fear.

thats what a big evil  looks like.

 

lex luthor is in the eyes of a dark evil emperor only a small criminal who waste time to try to hide his little criminal activities.one of many little villain they fool around with the publicity (and that forever and not only for a limited time period) but are not a big problem for the whole world.

 

There is no rule that villain has good publicity for a time it can be in case or it villain can be that until the end.So no how people see you doesn't matter in terms of being villain in fact for most game you don't have good reputation until the end and good reputation was consequence of stoping blight nor that prevents you in any way to play as villain.

 

And to be villain you don't need publicly tell everyone street crappy things you have done to another people neither they have to know that.

 

Also villain is bad guy it can be local serial killer or the emperor of the universe.  

 

 

 

a villain screams :"im villain and i eat your puppies"???

 

well.. if someone stay in front of this villain and see what he do.. then he should be able to recognize that there is a villain in front of him who eat puppies instead to act as nothing bad happens.and the villain mustn't scream that he is a villain who eat puppies if all can see that.

but instead they open the eyes it looks like that they close them and act the same like nothing happens.

 

Eee and they do if you are ahole to character then character reacts to that doesn't mean everyone knows that you did that or you can't get away with that in fact pretty much grey wardens did a lot of shitty things and have long history of being heroes to population because they fought bligths.

[durengo]

There is no rule that villain has good publicity for a time it can be in case or it villain can be that until the end.So no how people see you doesn't matter in terms of being villain in fact for most game you don't have good reputation until the end and good reputation was consequence of stoping blight nor that prevents you in any way to play as villain.

 

And to be villain you don't need publicly tell everyone street crappy things you have done to another people neither they have to know that.  

ok again...

its a big difference between the villain who steal apple from the neighbor's tree...and no one cares about or noticed that and the villain keep the secret hidden ...or to be a evil dictator or emperor who wanna rule the whole world or the whole universe...

 

i didnt wanna be a villain like the one with the apple...i would like to be the dark evil emperor and such a emperor can't hide his big trys to conquer the whole universe or world forever .. and he can't forever hide that he kill innocents..he cant keep that as secrect because the whole universe or world is involved into his evil acts....and anyways he use the fear to take control over the universe or world...and thats why he need the reputation.he didnt wanna hide anything. he wanna that the world or universe shiver in fear because of his might.

 

 

 

in dragon age games we can be the villain with the apple..

and we can steal the apple even if many people see that...because no one blame us for that and all think we are a saint.

 

another option is to play in general as hero ...and then we can be the god like saint superhero.

[TheKomandorShepard]

ok again...

its a difference between the villain who steal apple from the neighbor's tree...and no one cares about or noticed that and i keep the secret hidden ...or to be a evil dictator or emperor who wanna rule the whole world or the whole universe...

 

i didnt wanna be a villain like the one with the apple...i would like to be the dark evil emperor and such a emperor can't hide his big trys to conquer the whole universe or world forever .. and he can't forever hide that he kill innocents...and anyways he use the fear to take control over the universe or world...and thats why he need the reputation.  

 

in dragon age games we can be the villain with the apple...

That depends on how effective you are in first place and have nothing to do with being or not villain.

 

Well your case if you don't want to be villain that steals apple or villain that is serial killer if you want be dark evil emperor buy game where you are dark obviously evil emperor.Dragon age origins is about stopping blight and as who you will do that hero ,anti-hero or villain is up to you but you aren't emperor and game isn't about it.So again reputation have nothing to do with being villain in first place.

 

And no again that we can get away with things doesn't mean we are villain with the apple considering that we have a lot power over people fate.
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[ctd757]

A Dalish as Divine Mother would be epic.

[durengo]

That depends on how effective you are in first place and have nothing to do with being or not villain.

 

Well your case if you don't want to be villain that steals apple or villain that is serial killer if you want be dark evil emperor buy game where you are dark obviously evil emperor.Dragon age origins is about stopping blight and as who you will do that hero ,anti-hero or villain is up to you but you aren't emperor and game isn't about it.So again reputation have nothing to do with being villain in first place.

 

And no again that we can get away with things doesn't mean we are villain with the apple considering that we have a lot power over people fate.
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the problem is that you can be a superhero + god like saint  with the power of many gods ...in the dragon ages games....but the opposite of that would be what i talk about...a dark evil emperor .. a super villain with the power of many gods.. a evil god ... a sinner with the power of evil gods... but you cant play as them into dragon age games...... why not? all you can be is a little villain with a apple that doesn't compare to the powerful way to play as true hero.

 

as superhero you can close the breach... you gain much power.

can you also use the power as villain to open the breach ? no ? how powerless.

as superhero into the story you can use the well of sorrows to gain more might.. to be able to use  this might against the evil.

are you able to use this might as villain against the brave ? no ? here you have a apple.take it  maybe it helps to be a villain.

 

its the same with dao  and dai 2.

[TheKomandorShepard]

the problem is that you can be a superhero + god like saint  with the power of many gods ...in the dragon ages games....but the opposite of that would be what i talk about...a dark evil emperor... and you cant be it into dragon age games...... why not?

In first place you aren't god in dragon age neither you are seen as hero until the end whether you play  hero or villain your reputation is bad for most of the game.

 

So game isn't about being saint god as it isn't about being evil emperor it is about as i said stopping blight while you can pick kind of person that you will play. 

 

 

as superhero you can close the breach... you gain much power.

can you also use the power as villain to open the breach ? no ? how powerless.

as superhero into the story you can use the well of sorrows to gain more might.. to be able to use  this might against the evil.

are you able to use this might as villain against the brave? no ? here you have a apple.take it  maybe it helps to be a villain.

I wans't talking about dai because in dai or da 2 where we can't rly play as villain at best anti-hero and in fact you can read my comment about it i was talking about dao.

[durengo]

In first place you aren't god in dragon age neither you are seen as hero until the end whether you play  hero or villain your reputation is bad for most of the game.

 

So game isn't about being saint god as it isn't about being evil emperor it is about as i said stopping blight while you can pick kind of person that you will play. 

 

 

I wans't talking about dai because in dai or da 2 where we can't rly play as villain at best anti-hero and in fact you can read my comment about it i was talking about dao.

no matter if we talk about dai or dao or da 2.

 

in all games we have a main storyline... and into this main storyline we get the reputation that we are the hero...superhero..... the saint... a hero with godlike power.

 

no matter about what happens in the sidequests... no matter what the player does aside the main story.no matter what the player think about his own character.

 

and this is simply a fail of the games.because the world doesn't interact with the player in that case. it even dont explain why a evil behave in the sidequest doesn't affect the npc they are involved and whats about the eyewitness.

 

no one knows that the protagonist act evil and all think that he is a saint ???... even if many npc see already how he act ?! . this doesn't fit

[TheKomandorShepard]

no matter if we talk about dai or dao or da 2.

 

in all games we have a main storyline... and into this main storyline we get the reputation that we are the hero...superhero..... the saint... a hero with godlike power.

 

no matter about what happens in the sidequests... no matter what the player does aside the main story.no matter what the player think about his own character.

 

and this is simply a fail.because the world doesn't interact with the player in that case.and it even dont explain why a evil behave in the sidequest doesn't affect the npc they are involved and maybea eyewitness. so no one knows that the protoganist act evil... even if many npc see already how he  act ?! ist a fail.

Eh god do you even read my posts?

 

Reputation don't influence whether you are villain or not.

 

And yes people react to things you do that is in first place why you gain good reputation if you kick little timmy littly timmy and person that saw that will know you kicked littly timmy doesn't mean the world need to know that i kicked little timmy...  

[durengo]

 

 

1.Reputation don't influence whether you are villain or not.

 

2.And yes people react to things you do that is in first place why you gain good reputation...

1 and 2 are contradictory.

 

 

'react to things' is a influence and about a reputation influence already.

 

 

the games are about reputation: just only about the reputation you get to be as hero ..and about the reputation you need to get to become a hero .

the games are not about the reputation you should get if you play as evil emperor or as villain.

 

because if you play as villain you havent the choice between 'be a villain who hide his acts from the public' or 'to be a villain who didnt hide his act from the public'........... you hide and keep nothing as a secret in the game.just the reputation of a villain is missing.

[Eliastion]

With Sacred Ashes quest you can literally be forced to kill half of your party if you decide to defile the urn. In other places certain NPC will pretty much stop talking to you. The system of companions approval isn't perfect (too reliant on gifts that let you offset a lot of decisions they disappprove of) but it does affect "how people see you" in regards to those people that actually see what you're doing on regular basis. And then there is the fact that you spend most of DA:O as hunted criminal regardless of what you do.

But yes, a lot is "forgiven", because the game has one overriding motivation: stopping Blight. And yes, you're not allowed to steal what you can and flee the country, so you sorta end up saving the world (or country at least) and are rewarded accordingly. I guess the problem is that you can't really be an idiot who just goes out of his way to be perceived as a villain? "No, no, of course this wasn't necessary to stop the Blight, I just killed them all because I like killing people, now give me some children so I can crush their spines and eat their brains with a spoon".

[TheKomandorShepard]

1 and 2 are contradictory

 

the games are about reputation just only about the reputation you get to be as hero ..and about the reputation you need to be a hero .

the games are not about the reputation you should get if you play as evil emperor.

Facepalm

 

Talk about that reputation don't influence character being villain or hero then talk about another matter that people in dao react to what you are doing in game and i was contradicting myself because pancakes? 

 

I don't know even why i discuss that at this point after comment above.

[leaguer of one]

Am I the only person that that only cares that we could have MAJOR SPOILER-

Spoiler

Have Cory's head os a pike?

 

...That's not a spoiler.

[leaguer of one]

X

[leaguer of one]

1 and 2 are contradictory.

 

 

'react to things' is a influence and about a reputation influence already.

 

 

the games are about reputation: just only about the reputation you get to be as hero ..and about the reputation you need to get to become a hero .

the games are not about the reputation you should get if you play as evil emperor or as villain.

 

because if you play as villain you havent the choice between 'be a villain who hide his acts from the public' or 'to be a villain who didnt hide his act from the public'........... you hide and keep nothing as a secret in the game.just the reputation of a villain is missing.

 

 

Facepalm

 

Talk about that reputation don't influence character being villain or hero then talk about another matter that people in dao react to what you are doing in game and i was contradicting myself because pancakes? 

 

I don't know even why i discuss that at this point after comment above.

He means the bad thing you do are covered up and the good thing you are embelised...But I don't know his issue about this because it was the same case with DAO.