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[durengo]

Facepalm

its all about that you havent the choice into the game.

 

you like to play a hidden villain who keep the secret that he is one...the rest of the world call him a brave guy and hero because they know nothing about his true dark soul or even if they know it .. they are blind and careless.

 

 

the main story is not or less involved in your villain gameplay .because the main story is all about the player as hero.

 

well this is the only way into all dragon age games how you can play as villain..... we havent the choice.

 

you like that.. iam not . thats all.

[TheKomandorShepard]

He means the bad thing you do are covered up and the good thing you are embelised...But I don't know his issue about this because it was the same case with DAO.

What has nothing to do with being evil or villain what i keep saying to him his only issue seems with that he can't play stupid evil character. 

 

 

its all about that you havent the choice into the game.

 

you like to play a hidden villain who keep the secret that he is one...the rest of the world call him a brave guy and hero because they know nothing about his true dark soul or even if they know it .. they are blind and careless.

 

 

the main story is not or less involved in your villain gameplay .

 

well this is the only way into all dragon age games how you can play as villain..... we havent the choice.

 

you like that.. iam not . thats all.

 

There is no secret you don't have to hide with your nature or act nice simple your good reputation in fact is because consequence of your action you saved people even if for own gain so people see you as hero you are free to kick puppies.Doesn't change fact that you still can play villain just not idiotic and suicidal one.

 

I don't see problem here.

[durengo]

his only issue seems with that he can't play stupid evil character. 

and if so? whats wrong with that? iam not the only one who would like to be able to play as evil emperor character (not a stupid one but a powerful one).did i forced you to answer to my  first post? if you find all in general  stupid what you dont like (that would be a little bit selfish because  there are different points of view) then we mustn't talk about.

 

....farewell.

[TheKomandorShepard]

and if so? whats wrong with that? iam not the only one who would like to be able to play as evil character.did i forced you to answer to my  first post? if you find all in general  stupid what you dont like  then we mustnt talk about.

You can play as "evil" character in dao nothing stops you from being even pointlessly cruel to the others you just can't be an idiot in this game.

[durengo]

You can play as "evil" character in dao nothing stops you from being even pointlessly cruel to the others you just can't be an idiot in this game.

ok this is my last answer :

 

so if i play as evil character in dao it is a part of the main story? will it be a part of the main story till the end and did if effect how the people/npc  think,react and speake  about me?

 

if i play as evil character can i conqouer with my own army citys ? countrys?

 

can i rule as evil character my own country or kingdom? my own evil inquisition ?

 

if all that (and many more)  would be able into the next dragon age game .. would that mean that all player they enjoy it play a idiot?

 

every housewife could be evil....but i dont wanna play as housewife.i wanna play as evil ruler like i can play as hero saint brave ruler.

farewell you troll

[Eliastion]

and if so? whats wrong with that? iam not the only one who would like to be able to play as evil emperor character (not a stupid one but a powerful one).did i forced you to answer to my  first post? if you find all in general  stupid what you dont like (that would be a little bit selfish because  there are different points of view) then we mustn't talk about.

 

....farewell.

A villain who goes out of his way to be seen as villainous and shows off how evil he is IS stupid gaining enemies everywhere and driving off any support he might get... this is stupid. And that's exactly the kind of evil characters that sometimes pop up in games and such that I find insulting - if the only way to be evil is by being an idiot, what value is there in me playing a good character? I do prefer playing good characters, mind you, but the value of being good lies in the fact that I would actually be better off (at the very least in the short run) by being evil and self-serving.

Good (well written) villains rarely see themselves as evil and rarer still are those that would actually want to appear evil. I'm glad Bioware managed to avoid the trap of making the evil option to be this cliche cartoonish villain you apparently want to play. I'm sorry that the game (DA:O) doesn't offer you what you would want to have, but I definitely prefer the evil option to be something that can be actually rationalized rather than FOR TEH EVULZ.

 

Lack of real evil (or even truly extremist) option in DA:I is another matter entirely, though - here indeed you are pretty much forced to play a hero most of the time. Not the nicest hero necessarily but hero nonetheless. MAYBE an antihero as TheKommandorShepard says.

[TheKomandorShepard]

ok this is my last answer :

 

so if i play as evil character in dao it is a part of the main story? will it be a part of the main story till the end and did if effect how the people/npc  think and speake  about me?

 

if i play as evil character can i conqouer with my own army citys ? countrys?

 

can i rule as evil character my own country or kingdom?

 

if all that (and many more)  would be able into the next dragon age game .. would that mean that all player they enjoy it play a idiot?

 

farewell you troll

 

No because being good or evil isn't what story is about in first place story as i said is about stopping the blight you decide what kind of person you play and that affects story.

 

You can't conquer the city as you can't go with campaign to free elves or overthrow slavery if you play good character because story isn't about it.Pretty much same for the every rpg and well game ever unless it is centered specifically on conquering. There will be always things in game that you can and can't do.

 

     

[TevinterSupremacist]

People tend to try to "discredit" some people's desire for genuinely evil/selfish/cruel actions by painting said actions as "stupid" evil. Nah. That requires a severe overestimation of what the spectrum of "stupid" evil covers. Stupid evil is while a ruler hands you a quest to go kill a dragon, you decide to charge at him, even though he's surrounded by his elite guard in full plate armour, while you're dressed in rags, just so you can get his shiny crown.

Knife murdering someone in an alley or the top of a mountain, where no one can see you or blood sacrificing the elven slaves for power in dao, while your companions are around is not stupid evil. Being selfish and cruel isn't necessarily stupid, stupid comes when you have utter disregard of consequences. Given that most companions can hold you in extremely high regard or are indebted to you for sparing their lives, saving their pupils, having a maker-given vision of you or whatever, expecting them to suck it up when you're evil, provided you don't attack someone they personally care for is perfectly ok, imo.

The same could have been done in dai, simply by making the anchor activate consciously only and not by proximity to the rifts, then the story could easily support your advisors and companions accepting your evil actions. It was doable and wouldn't cheapen your companion's character, it just wasn't in bioware's interest.

[durengo]

A villain who goes out of his way to be seen as villainous and shows off how evil he is ...

you are right that makes no sense....

 

like i said  before .. i wanna play  a evil style like we know from star wars ... like we know from palpatine and darth vader.... like we know from the evil in lord of the rings...rule like the evil sauron.

 

this had nothing to do with a villain who goes out of his way to be seen as villainous  and shows off how evil he is..

[Eliastion]

ok this is my last answer :

 

so if i play as evil character in dao it is a part of the main story? will it be a part of the main story till the end and did if effect how the people/npc  think,react and speake  about me?

 

if i play as evil character can i conqouer with my own army citys ? countrys?

 

can i rule as evil character my own country or kingdom? my own evil inquisition ?

 

if all that (and many more)  would be able into the next dragon age game .. would that mean that all player they enjoy it play a idiot?

 

every housewife could be evil....but i dont wanna play as housewife.i wanna play as evil ruler like i can play as hero saint brave ruler.

farewell you troll

In DA:I there is no evil option, we're really talking DA:O here, and yes, it matters. Some NPC react differently to you. Some people in your party can turn on you in various circumstances. And with proper background you can weasel your way to the throne pretty much forcing Anora to marry you as a price for her remaining on the throne. You're still a prince-consort, but you end up pretty close to gaining actual power (and at the very least you got yourself a position of influence). But yes, you won't achieve this by means of murdering everyone in vicinity and bragging about it, so I guess it's not evil enough for you.

[TheKomandorShepard]

People tend to try to "discredit" some people's desire for genuinely evil/selfish/cruel actions by painting said actions as "stupid" evil. Nah. That requires a severe overestimation of what the spectrum of "stupid" evil covers. Stupid evil is while a ruler hands you a quest to go kill a dragon, you decide to charge at him, even though he's surrounded by his elite guard in full plate armour, while you're dressed in rags, just so you can get his shiny crown.

Knife murdering someone in an alley or the top of a mountain, where no one can see you or blood sacrificing the elven slaves for power in dao, while your companions are around is not stupid evil. Being selfish and cruel isn't necessarily stupid, stupid comes when you have utter disregard of consequences. Given that most companions can hold you in extremely high regard or are indebted to you for sparing their lives, saving their pupils, having a maker-given vision of you or whatever, expecting them to suck it up when you're evil, provided you don't attack someone they personally care for is perfectly ok, imo.

The same could have been done in dai, simply by making the anchor activate consciously only and not by proximity to the rifts, then the story could easily support your advisors and companions accepting your evil actions. It was doable and wouldn't cheapen your companion's character, it just wasn't in bioware's interest.

What you can do in dao and i have never said it was stupid evil what i have said that guy is satisfied because you can't be stupid evil. My whole point was that in fact you can be selfish and cruel in dao but you can't do that to stupid degree and game isn't about being evil or good it is just way of you playing.

[TevinterSupremacist]

What you can do in dao and i have never said it was stupid evil what i have said that guy is satisfied because you can't be stupid evil. My whole point was that in fact you can be selfish and cruel in dao but you can't do that to stupid degree and game isn't about being evil or good it is just way of you playing.

I wasn't referring to you, it was a general comment.

[Eliastion]

you are right that makes no sense....

 

like i said  before .. i wanna play  a evil style like we know from star wars ... like we know from palpatine and darth vader.... like we know from the evil in lord of the rings...rule like the evil sauron.

 

this had nothing to do with a villain who goes out of his way to be seen as villainous  and shows off how evil he is..

Palpatine(+Vader) and Sauron are completely unrealistic cartoonish characters with no real motivations or characterization, making many decisions that make no sense beyond showing how evil they are. Unless you reach to some extra/fanfic material attempting to paint them in different light, but then suddenly they're not "evil rulers" ruling over "evil empire". They're just rulers ruling over empires.

And in DA:O you were no ruler to begin with, you can end up as one (more or less) but you just don't play as one - good or evil.

 

Also, even in DA:I (the only game where you actually play as a ruler) where there is no real evil option, you still get to arrange a situation in Orlais where you can blackmail every of its three informal rulers so that they become your puppets. While being an "everybody lives" option, this still can be as naive or es evil as your Quizzy's motives. Perhaps he wants peace and believes in cooperation of the three as the most beneficial for Orlais. But it's just as possible that he just wants to have as much power over Orlais as possible and three weak "rulers", each susceptible to his blackmail, seems to be the best available way to go about it.

[TheKomandorShepard]

I wasn't referring to you, it was a general comment.

ah ok.

[durengo]

Palpatine(+Vader) and Sauron are completely unrealistic cartoonish characters with no real motivations or characterization, making many decisions that make no sense beyond showing how evil they are. Unless you reach to some extra/fanfic material attempting to paint them in different light, but then suddenly they're not "evil rulers" ruling over "evil empire". They're just rulers ruling over empires.

did you know the tolkien books? did you know even the whole star wars universe with all books , comics and so on. maybe you find there the real motivations behind palpatine vader sauron and co.i guess they are not much different as the ones from all  the enemys in dao da 2 and dai too... and about unrealistic characters....we all play a fantasy game here .. its full of unrealistic characters.

 

but besides that i don't wanna discuss this...this with the cartoonish characters is your point of view.....other ones have a own and different one even if some would agree you.

 

aside that ... do you wanna criticize someone if he would enjoy to play a cartoonish character?  i would say this is up to you... iam not in that. this is just a matter of taste.