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[q5tyhj]

 

I can't agree with the opinion that being able to clutch a wave here or there means that you know how to solo. 

Agreed- its nonsense on stilts. 

[NuclearTech76]

I don't see why it would be hard to understand what I am saying, if you read it carefully first.

 

I said the formula is easy to stick to, not that doing a plat solo is easy. If doing a total solo were easy, that'd be another thing, but I never said that. I don't think it's easy, because the process of kiting, looking over my shoulder, etc. is a cycle of near perpetuity for 30-60 minutes depending on the setup. All it takes is one bad objective and all that dreadful monotony is for nothing. A hack in the Reactor core on wave 10, a wave 10 escort straight through the avenue on FB Ghost, and so forth. Or getting shot by a ragdolled Hunter, or grabbed by a dematerialized Banshee who flew through a wall. No, I'm not going to sit through that.

 

But there are strategies that work, and if you have the patience for it, you can do it (and I'm sure that you, quite literally, can do it), because the video evidence of this is abundant, and I did pretty well for myself running around with a wraith and a LOLcolyte, chucking grenades and creating fire explosions before the combination of a needed bathroom break and boredom caused me to quit.

 

I personally don't have the patience. I get nothing for completing a plat solo outside of brownie points and the attached credits, but I don't really care. Playing a team game and rezzing pugs and running back and forth across the map, clutching rounds here and there is much more exciting, much quicker, and much more fun. I play for fun. In my experience, platinum solos aren't fun. They're the video game equivalent of taking an SAT. So much concentration for so long, it's exhausting. Challenging in its own way, of course, but so devoid of true mental stimulation that the soul-crushing monotony makes it an agonizing task.

The process is pretty laid out, simple, etc if you're decent at this game and prepare for specific enemies and specific waves you should be fine but then the game shits on you IE rockets coming through walls, ladders getting disabled by swarms stuck on them, invisible turrets, warp balls coming through cover, etc. This happens over the course of a Plat solo which generally takes most normal people close to an hour or more to complete. Add in on console that you cannot fix which objectives drop and some objectives become more of a pain in the ass and opportunity for failure.

[Terminator Force]

@Cato;

 

Well, DaftArbitter seems to have interpreted the same way I did. Case closed.

 

Reading this thread is killing too many of my brain cells.

 

It would of for me if I read it again yesterday.

 

 

If it looks pretentious that I'm making these complaints about Plat solos, then I'll do one. I expect apologies and/or cookies when I do this.

 

Just pick a Jug/Reeger with Cerb and enjoy your cookies while doing the Plat solo. It's what I did. And the total time felt like an average pug match of my liking (30 min).

 

 

 

Yes, it is your opinion.............about something you've never actually done.

And the difference is, Sinful wrote that I claimed people like you are 'wrong' or 'jerks' about this topic, which is untrue. Whereas, I didn't put words in your mouth about plat solos being easy, see below. I wonder how many people read those posts and didn't come to the conclusion that you think plat solos are easy?

 

It's nice to know you didn't mean that wrong & jerk part.

 

But I still think you are wrong about the "actually done a solo" part as I've said before. Plus he already made it pretty far in a few solo attempts anyway. So he's not exactly talking out of his butt to troll.

 

 

I do understand what you mean because, unlike Sinful Force, you can write coherently and don't seem to be stupid.

 

Hey, English is my third language. No need for name calling. 

 

 

But you only explained one of your posts. Surely you can understand how people will get the impression you think plat solos are easy when you write 'I could just take a TGI, AIU or similar OP kit and use their ridiculous abilities, but that's kind of a problem, because then there's no drama whatsoever', 'I'm more or less standing in a couple of places, using the soft cover, rinsing and repeating, for over an hour' and especially 'if I fail, it's through a fluke'.

 

I can get the same drama by not playing an OP kit while pugging. It's just different drama. This is what me and him are saying + that we prefer this type of drama more. And that you don't need a Lone Wolf banner under your belt to get this, especially with all the time I've put into this game already. (*hope this Engrish is better*)

 

Drama in soloing comes from aiming for faster times, otherwise it is a very controlled & tedious environment. I can see how many would enjoy speedrunning solos and sharpening their skills more via this means. Nothing wrong with it. It's just so far not for me & DaftArbitter.

 

 

Yikes. I'll say this: 

 

I played a platinum Reapers game a long time ago, back when SilentStep was still playing. Everyone died on wave 9, and I clutched it. While it gave me confidence that I could solo platinum, I didn't actually complete a platinum solo until almost a year later. 

 

I can't agree with the opinion that being able to clutch a wave here or there means that you know how to solo. Killing 8 enemies in a random wave is nothing like depleting 9 waves worth of enemies, 3 objective waves and the remaining enemies after that all while staying alive. The wave compositions are different, so your strategy will probably change depending on the wave you're facing, and that depends also on the map and faction you're facing. Clutching the odd wave on occasion can't give you that experience. 

 

You haven't pugged enough with poor setups & poor pug teams or something. As doing just that got me my first solo attempt to be a success in a game where no one joined (posted about here awhile back. It was Gold, Cabal, Lancer, Reapers, Jade). So yes, playing enough with poor setups & poor pugs alone thought me how to solo. And even though for my first Plat solo just now was with the Jug/Reeger, my first attempt got me all the way to wave 10 (plus I just got back to this game after quite a break, so still rusty & edong, yata yata). Second attempt was done in half the time & with plenty of consumables left (4 rockets & over 3 or 4 ops/gels/clips). Even if it is the un-down-able Jug, I still had to of learned how to solo with him from Pugs in past in order to pull it off. So you're wrong. All my solo knowledge came from clutching. (PS. hope I made my Engrish on this more clear as well)

 

 

Agreed- its nonsense on stilts. 

 

So you think I'm lying. Oh well... maybe it's my Engrish...

 

[Dunmer of Redoran]

Here we go. Falcon BatSol (Eagle as sidearm) was my kit of choice. Objectives were devices/devices/pizza. I did NOT run with the pizza.

 

 

http://i.imgur.com/1qu29kK.png

 

The insane time is because I nuked the wrong spawn on wave 8 and on wave 10, I had to fight 2 banshees and 2 primes with no nukes left. I did not run out of thermal clip packs, as I was actually not spamming inferno nades like a maniac. Maybe I should have.

[Terminator Force]

Congrats, DaftArbiter. 

[ClydeInTheShell]

You haven't pugged enough with poor setups & poor pug teams or something. As doing just that got me my first solo attempt to be a success in a game where no one joined (posted about here awhile back. It was Gold, Cabal, Lancer, Reapers, Jade). So yes, playing enough with poor setups & poor pugs alone thought me how to solo. And even though for my first Plat solo just now was with the Jug/Reeger, my first attempt got me all the way to wave 10 (plus I just got back to this game after quite a break, so still rusty & edong, yata yata). Second attempt was done in half the time & with plenty of consumables left (4 rockets & over 3 or 4 ops/gels/clips). Even if it is the un-down-able Jug, I still had to of learned how to solo with him from Pugs in past in order to pull it off. So you're wrong. All my solo knowledge came from clutching. (PS. hope I made my Engrish on this more clear as well)

 

I'm not wrong; it's my opinion. The way I see it: yes, playing with bad teammates in pugs is a good way to improve at the game, and in some cases, you are essentially soloing due to the lack of quality teammates. I've done this plenty on Gold and even some on Platinum.

 

The difference is, even when you are killing virtually everything and your teammates are either dying constantly or just not a factor, they're still there drawing aggro and changing the flow of the game. You don't have them as distractions when soloing. 

 

I'm not doubting your ability to solo or to carry pugs; my only assertion is that while clutching waves helps, the only real teacher for soloing, is soloing.

[Simba501]

I'm not wrong; it's my opinion. The way I see it: yes, playing with bad teammates in pugs is a good way to improve at the game, and in some cases, you are essentially soloing due to the lack of quality teammates. I've done this plenty on Gold and even some on Platinum.

 

The difference is, even when you are killing virtually everything and your teammates are either dying constantly or just not a factor, they're still there drawing aggro and changing the flow of the game. You don't have them as distractions when soloing. 

 

I'm not doubting your ability to solo or to carry pugs; my only assertion is that while clutching waves helps, the only real teacher for soloing, is soloing.

 

Completely agree.  I learned this after a while.  Even with bad teammates, it is still easier than a solo.  The beginning of a clutch can be crazy though, as you have to gain control of the enemies locations.  But the critical difference between soloing and clutching is the need to sustain your play over time, as opposed to bursts.  

 

I can recall times when team games that felt like solos (teammates dying not long into the wave) still gave me somewhat of a break:  time to plan the rest of the wave.  And before they all die, you can be much more reckless than you could be during a solo.

[DisturbedPsic0]

Completely agree.  I learned this after a while.  Even with bad teammates, it is still easier than a solo.  The beginning of a clutch can be crazy though, as you have to gain control of the enemies locations.  But the critical difference between soloing and clutching is the need to sustain your play over time, as opposed to bursts.  

 

I can recall times when team games that felt like solos (teammates dying not long into the wave) still gave me somewhat of a break:  time to plan the rest of the wave.  And before they all die, you can be much more reckless than you could be during a solo.

There are times when team games are harder than solos. Especially during objective waves when teammates camp the objective instead of leading the enemies away.  Or are constantly making enemies spawn on top of you. Or are stealing all the grenades. Or glitching you up with shield boost. Or shaking your screen. Actually you know what, pugging with 3 really bad teammates confirmed harder than solo.

[Sir Jessku]

I don't know if this adds to the thread but I soloed wave 1 platinum with a TGI then a banshee sync killed me in wave 2. Small victory to me epic fail to you. Haha dumb banshees. I should learn spawn sites & other stuff but I'm too busy going cowboy on reapers

[Terminator Force]

II'm not doubting your ability to solo or to carry pugs; my only assertion is that while clutching waves helps, the only real teacher for soloing, is soloing.

 

Yes, clutching waves is what I'm saying. And that I've done enough of them from just Gold pug matches alone to have a good enough idea on how to pull it off. And that's all I'm saying. I never started a solo match in a private lobby outside of falling behind in grabs and taking it to Bronze - until just recently I decided to get it over with as my final challenge for BotB.

 

And reason I say weaker pugs, is because you're more likely to end up clutching waves this way. That and pugs love to pull you into impossible situations, lol. To the point that I sometimes feel re-leaved to be alone for a wave and get things under control again... I just don't like to be always alone at this point still.

 

 

 

 

Oh, and I barely ever had to clutch Platinum waves anywhere near enough as I always played that difficulty with friends who know how to play. So just learning how to clutch from Gold pug matches seemed to be enough for me. Doesn't mean I'm good at soloing. Heck no. Just know enough to pull it off & have enough of a first impression about that style so far. Not 100% definitive, but enough of an idea.

[Dunmer of Redoran]

I do think that to solo well, one needs solo experience. I don't solo and it took me almost an hour and a half. Now that I've done it, I know exactly how enemies agro on that map, the correct kiting routes (and detours if those routes are blocked), and most importantly, exact wave composition and distribution. If I repeated, I could probably shave off 30 minutes or more. If I didn't have to do pizza as the last objective, I probably would've had more consumables. I ran out of Ops packs and Missiles, and had 3 medigels and 2 thermal clip packs left. Most of my consumables were expended during wave 10.

 

Clutching waves definitely helps, and as mentioned above, it's especially important for teaching how to get out of bad situations where enemy spawns have encroached and there's nothing to do about it.

[N7 Banshee Bait]

The Banshee's are way too annoying on Platinum. I waste too much time avoiding their constant warp balls. I don't have the patience to solo platinum. Soloing gold gets too boring for me in the later waves.

[cato potato]

 

@Cato;

 

It's nice to know you didn't mean that wrong & jerk part.

 

That's right, I didn't mean anyone was wrong or a jerk, this is obvious mainly because - I never wrote anything about people being wrong or jerks. You just made that up, remember?

[Terminator Force]

That's right, I didn't mean anyone was wrong or a jerk, this is obvious mainly because - I never wrote anything about people being wrong or jerks. You just made that up, remember?

 

Folks interpret what I say wrongly too. ... I can off you hug.

[cato potato]

Folks interpret what I say wrongly too. ... I can off you hug.

 

Only you seem to have misinterpreted me. I wonder why that is?

 

And I usually understand the real meaning behind your posts, no matter how incoherent you try to make them.

[David Diablo]

Here we go. Falcon BatSol (Eagle as sidearm) was my kit of choice. Objectives were devices/devices/pizza. I did NOT run with the pizza.

 

 

http://i.imgur.com/1qu29kK.png

 

The insane time is because I nuked the wrong spawn on wave 8 and on wave 10, I had to fight 2 banshees and 2 primes with no nukes left. I did not run out of thermal clip packs, as I was actually not spamming inferno nades like a maniac. Maybe I should have.

 

Well, at least some good came out of this pointless thread. Congrats Arbiter! You beat my time by a few minutes too! 

[Dunmer of Redoran]

Congrats, DaftArbiter. 

 

 

Well, at least some good came out of this pointless thread. Congrats Arbiter! You beat my time by a few minutes too! 

 

Thank you, thank you both. I had to do it. After claiming that I could do it, I realized like 15 minutes after that if I didn't do it, I'd look like a lying toiletscrub.

 

As painful as it was, the monotony of running about, staggering mooks, launching blades and chucking nades, I have this bizarre hunger for trying it again and seeing if I can best my old time and score. I imagine this is what it feels like for other platinum soloers?

[cato potato]

Thank you, thank you both. I had to do it. After claiming that I could do it, I realized like 15 minutes after that if I didn't do it, I'd look like a lying toiletscrub.

 

As painful as it was, the monotony of running about, staggering mooks, launching blades and chucking nades, I have this bizarre hunger for trying it again and seeing if I can best my old time and score. I imagine this is what it feels like for other platinum soloers?

 

Congrats. You could definitely beat your time just by changing the faction to Cerberus, they're much faster on average. Plus the Batarian Soldier with the Falcon will absolutely destroy Phantoms and Dragoons.

[Dunmer of Redoran]

Congrats. You could definitely beat your time just by changing the faction to Cerberus, they're much faster on average. Plus the Batarian Soldier with the Falcon will absolutely destroy Phantoms and Dragoons.

Phantoms are exactly why I used him. On-host, they give me so much trouble, so I wanted a loadout that would trivialize them. I think the reason I went with Reapers though is because I tried a solo earlier in the day as a Reegarnaut on Glacier, vs Cerberus. It went by very quickly, but I had a lot of trouble with Atlases and Turrets blocking all my exits and ended up giving up on wave 5. Reapers take longer with all the waves of leapfrogging banshees, but I'd much rather fight them than get picked off by turrets and corralled by Atlases.

[Terminator Force]

Only you seem to have misinterpreted me. I wonder why that is?

 

And I usually understand the real meaning behind your posts, no matter how incoherent you try to make them.

 

I thought DaftArbiter misinterpreted it too? Oh well.

[Angry_Elcor]

Well, at least some good came out of this pointless thread. 

 

I'm not going to sing the thread's praises, but it seems kind of hypocritical for the person who made a knock-off of the thread to be criticizing this one as pointless.

[Angry_Elcor]

It would of for me if I read it again yesterday.

 

Doesn't look like it made any difference.

[Terminator Force]

Doesn't look like it made any difference.

 

1 on 1 me, baby. I'll even bring my Quarian Arc Nades & Reeger to make it fair since you so much smarter then me.

[NuclearTech76]

Thank you, thank you both. I had to do it. After claiming that I could do it, I realized like 15 minutes after that if I didn't do it, I'd look like a lying toiletscrub.

 

As painful as it was, the monotony of running about, staggering mooks, launching blades and chucking nades, I have this bizarre hunger for trying it again and seeing if I can best my old time and score. I imagine this is what it feels like for other platinum soloers?

That's part of it. A lot of my solos on Gold or Platinum started out as just playing around with a build on a certain kit and ended up evolving into actually trying to run the rest of it after wave five just for the hell of it. For me it's getting reps in with that kit versus every enemy type and situation and just learning my way around the character. A lot of the time I leave the lobby open to friends and I've had at least three plat solos off the top of my head joined by a friend on wave 8 or 9. After the first one, I don't know that I've ever been super serious about success doing them, they just sort of happen.

[Alfonsedode]

I do think that to solo well, one needs solo experience. I don't solo and it took me almost an hour and a half. Now that I've done it, I know exactly how enemies agro on that map, the correct kiting routes (and detours if those routes are blocked), and most importantly, exact wave composition and distribution. If I repeated, I could probably shave off 30 minutes or more. If I didn't have to do pizza as the last objective, I probably would've had more consumables. I ran out of Ops packs and Missiles, and had 3 medigels and 2 thermal clip packs left. Most of my consumables were expended during wave 10.

 

Clutching waves definitely helps, and as mentioned above, it's especially important for teaching how to get out of bad situations where enemy spawns have encroached and there's nothing to do about it.

 

COngrats on the solo.

Lol, if u really think u have learnt the map, the aggro, the wave composition with one successful run, and that next attempt woulbe 50'. Oups 80-30=50 and 50 is a achievable time. Maybe u have, in which case U should stick to plat solos a bit and lift up your game.

 

Anyway, u are acknowledging your R now far better against this plat faction and on this map, and that s why plat solo are a challenge both interesting and rewarding!